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Florida State fans equate success with national championships, conference championships, major bowl victories. In 2013-14, Florida State goes 14-0, wins an undisputed national championship, and pulls in a top 3 recruiting class (likely facilitating continued success).

West Virginia fans equate success with revenue. West Virginia will soon (if not already) reap more revenue that Florida State [I am not certain as to when WVU gets a full share of Big XII revenues]. In 2013-14, West Virginia finished 4-8 in football.

It seems like both sides would be happy; they are each getting what they value most. Yet WVU fans focus their concerns on Florida State's revenue "problems", rather than their own football problems.
 
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Well you have a new WVU poster on here posting nonsense so ludicrous that other posters read it and try to correct it. But after engaging in that futility three or four times each, they all give up. But it has now reached about 100 posts because the WVU poster continues to repeat the lunacy.

Agreed.

"Birthers," Truthers," "Faked Moon Landing", etc., etc. All of these conspiracy nuts have the same mind-set, IMO. They believe what they want to believe, despite whatever mountain of facts exist that would easily discredit their view in the mind of any sane person.

The "Truthers" are a classic case in point. They cling to the belief that the Government brought the twin towers down in some sort of controlled demolition. Forgetting for a minute the mountains upon montains of evidence that disproves their dribble and makes them look like idiots, a simple exercise in logic is all you need to see the absurdity of their view. In this instance, a planned controlled demolition of two 106 story adjoining towers plus surrounding buildings would have required thousands of people involved over many, many months in the elaborate planning and planting of charges in many specific locations in the buildings, including wiring, etc. It is a monumental task to legitimately implode a single small building - and this when the building has been gutted. One can only imaging the herculean effort to implode buildings that are fully funtional. Such an effort would have been easily observed by many, many people and it would have been impossible to cover-up.

When confronted with this logic, the "Truthers" often go to their talking points which typically involve some isolated piece of information having nothing to do with what happened. This logic is then insanely expanded to "prove" an idiotic premise (e.g., "if this is true...then that automatically means that this is true.....and this is true....and this is true....and this is true...etc.....etc."). Sane people understand that this is lunacy. However, conspiracy nuts, at least on the issue that they are obsessed with, are not sane, IMO.

I don't know this poster at all other than what he/she posts on here and on other boards. However, IMO, his/her train of logic on issues related to the ACC fits the pattern of the conspiracy nut. He/she has has talking points, which are easily discredited in the eyes of any sane person, yet he/she ignores the facts when they are presented and doubles down on their illogical thought process. His/her typical response is to write a litany of dribble having nothing to do with what he/she is trying to prove. IMO, any rational dialog with him/her on this issue will not be productive as he/she is incapable of considering anything that would discredit his/her view on this issue.

The poster has stated that he/she is an WVU fan. I know a number of WVU fans who are great people, including a guy who worked for me for a number of years. That said, IMO, - and strictly based on my observations - there seem to be a number of WVU fans who hold to these views re: the ACC and, frankly, I am baffled. I understand the frustration of Uconn fans given how this has played out to date. However, WVU has landed in a good place and it baffles me why so many of their fans don't just happily move on. Their continued preoccupation with the ACC is puzzling, IMO.
 
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Florida State fans equate success with national championships, conference championships, major bowl victories. In 2013-14, Florida State goes 14-0, wins an undisputed national championship, and pulls in a top 3 recruiting class (likely facilitating continued success).

West Virginia fans equate success with revenue. West Virginia will soon (if not already) reap more revenue that Florida State [I am not certain as to when WVU gets a full share of Big XII revenues]. In 2013-14, West Virginia finished 4-8 in football.

It seems like both sides would be happy; they are each getting what they value most. Yet WVU fans focus their concerns on Florida State's revenue "problems", rather than their own football problems.

Florida State's Athletic Department takes in about $100,000 in Revenue. West Virginia takes in about $80,000 in Revenue.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

And yes I can easily imagine Buckaineer will be touting how WVU gets more Revenue than Florida State. That argument will appear perfectly valid in his imagination.
 

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Well you have a new WVU poster on here posting nonsense so ludicrous that other posters read it and try to correct it. But after engaging in that futility three or four times each, they all give up. But it has now reached about 100 posts because the WVU poster continues to repeat the lunacy.


There is a town just east of Hartford that still has some rattlesnakes. When I lived there I spent about 11% of my time on high alert watching for them.

I let someone talk me into biking in the woods and damned if there wasn't a 2 foot long rattler coiled in the middle of the damn trail.

While I hightailed it, the psycho I was with got closer to take pictures.

When you see a handle *****eer don't engage. Just back away quickly and be on your way. They will head back to their outcrop soon enough.
 
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There is a town just east of Hartford that still has some rattlesnakes. When I lived there I spent about 11% of my time on high alert watching for them.

I let someone talk me into biking in the woods and damned if there wasn't a 2 foot long rattler coiled in the middle of the damn trail.

While I hightailed it, the psycho I was with got closer for to take pictures.

When you see a handle *eer don't engage. Just back away quickly and be on your way. They will head back to their outcrop soon enough.

Very good analogy and very sound advice whaler!
 
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Texas has recently discussed leaving the B12. Ohio St. hasn't discussed leaving the B1G. UCLA hasn't discussed leaving the Pac12.

Sane people will draw the only logical conclusion to these facts. One school is much likelier to leave than the others.
 
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Reread your posts. They are laced with emotion and bias. I get you can quote stats on how much Big 12 schools make. They do not prove your conclusion any more than mine. The other fact is the Big 12 lost 4 teams in recent history. Yes, times have changed. My percentage for Texas leaving was > 90%, so things have improved. If the Big 10 loses 4 teams within two years, I'd surmise Ohio State's leaving the Big 10 would go to 50% or so. Anyway, we disagree. So what? No need to be so defensive.

You are making up percentages for Texas leaving the BIG 12. You haven't talked to Texas. You haven't seen anything whatsoever from anyone at Texas stating they have any reason, idea, thought, wish or desire to leave the BIG 12 now. Yet you are creating a percentage of the likelihood they are going to leave.

It's made up fantasy. There's nothing behind it or to it. Texas isn't leaving the BIG 12 and I'm not being defensive--you are. You obviously hope that Texas will leave the BIG 12 for some reason and are upset that someone has corrected that misguided thought based on nothing, but unfortunately for you, that doesn't mean Texas has any desire to leave the BIG 12.
 
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Texas has recently discussed leaving the B12. Ohio St. hasn't discussed leaving the B1G. UCLA hasn't discussed leaving the Pac12.

Sane people will draw the only logical conclusion to these facts. One school is much likelier to leave than the others.

Texas has not recently discussed leaving the BIG 12. Several years ago now they considered it when Missouri was looking, Colorado decided to move to the Pac 12 and then Nebraska joined the Big Ten and A&M began looking around.

After Texas and the other BIG 12 schools decided to remain together and rebuild the BIG 12 Texas hasn't uttered anything but good thoughts about the BIG 12 and their desire to make it a strong and successful league.
 
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Florida State's Athletic Department takes in about $100,000 in Revenue. West Virginia takes in about $80,000 in Revenue.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

And yes I can easily imagine Buckaineer will be touting how WVU gets more Revenue than Florida State. That argument will appear perfectly valid in his imagination.


FSU is the top revenue earner in the ACC. WVU is not the top revenue earner in the BIG 12. Texas is the top revenue earner in the BIG 12 and they make many tens of millions more than FSU does. That is a more realistic comparison.

As for WVU, WVUs revenues will grow significantly over the life of the present BIG 12 contract and their tier 3 deals. Oliver Luck has stated within a few years WVUs athletic budget will be $100 million or more.

Of course FSU's budget will increase as well over the years--but WVU's revenues will likely grow closer to FSU's than FSU's will to the University of Texas's.
 
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Florida State fans equate success with national championships, conference championships, major bowl victories. In 2013-14, Florida State goes 14-0, wins an undisputed national championship, and pulls in a top 3 recruiting class (likely facilitating continued success).

West Virginia fans equate success with revenue. West Virginia will soon (if not already) reap more revenue that Florida State [I am not certain as to when WVU gets a full share of Big XII revenues]. In 2013-14, West Virginia finished 4-8 in football.

It seems like both sides would be happy; they are each getting what they value most. Yet WVU fans focus their concerns on Florida State's revenue "problems", rather than their own football problems.


Uh, no. WVU is one of the winningest programs not to yet win a national championship but want that as much as anyone and have played in a championship game and come close a few times. WVU was very successful in the BCS era--stomping Clemson btw in historic fashion just a couple of seasons back, as well as taking down the SEC and BIG 12 champions as well.

WVU having been in the Big East never had the opportunity to compete with the same revenues some were gettting, but that is changing and it will help them boost their programs and facilities.

FSU has certainly made much noise the past couple of years about financial issues from the ACC affecting them as well.
 
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Texas has not recently discussed leaving the BIG 12. Several years ago now they considered it when Missouri was looking, Colorado decided to move to the Pac 12 and then Nebraska joined the Big Ten and A&M began looking around.

After Texas and the other BIG 12 schools decided to remain together and rebuild the BIG 12 Texas hasn't uttered anything but good thoughts about the BIG 12 and their desire to make it a strong and successful league.

2 years and 3 months ago. It was not several years. It was November of 2011. Ohio St and UCLA have never discussed leaving their conferences.
 
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Well you have a new WVU poster on here posting nonsense so ludicrous that other posters read it and try to correct it. But after engaging in that futility three or four times each, they all give up. But it has now reached about 100 posts because the WVU poster continues to repeat the lunacy.

No lunacy has been posted by me, lunacy has been posted by ACC posters and others and your post continues that trend.

You can't comprehend the difference between fantasy or reality or admit when you are wrong.

Btw this thread-once again-was not created by anyone from WVU. ACC posters are the source of the original articles about this new ACC Network and the concern that it doesn't deliver what was promised. That's reality--but since you don't follow that, you've missed that simple yet important point.
 
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Appreciate the link, and, the response. Now, thats the two who voted no.

The other 10 voted yes. Including schools with options to jump to other leagues...UNC, UVA, VPI, Clemson, NCSU, and Duke.

I have yet to hear any of them voice any dissent on the fee. Why is that?


I will tell you why that is. They have no place to go. No one has invited them anywhere. They know however that FSU is their lifeblood and if FSU leaves--and they may have options--then the league is gutted. That is why they were adamant the vote was needed--because they want to keep having FSU prop them up.
 
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You are making up percentages for Texas leaving the BIG 12. You haven't talked to Texas. You haven't seen anything whatsoever from anyone at Texas stating they have any reason, idea, thought, wish or desire to leave the BIG 12 now. Yet you are creating a percentage of the likelihood they are going to leave.

It's made up fantasy. There's nothing behind it or to it. Texas isn't leaving the BIG 12 and I'm not being defensive--you are. You obviously hope that Texas will leave the BIG 12 for some reason and are upset that someone has corrected that misguided thought based on nothing, but unfortunately for you, that doesn't mean Texas has any desire to leave the BIG 12.

And despite everything you say, 50% is still my estimate, a conservative one, by the way. No, I don't hope that Texas leaves. Actually, I don't have a horse in that race. You apparently do. And I never said that Texas (for now, at least) has any desire to leave. As far as I know, they may hope the Big 12 survives.
 
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And despite everything you say, 50% is still my estimate, a conservative one, by the way. No, I don't hope that Texas leaves. Actually, I don't have a horse in that race. You apparently do. And I never said that Texas (for now, at least) has any desire to leave. As far as I know, they may hope the Big 12 survives.


Yes, if you are creating an imaginary estimate of Texas leaving the BIG 12 you do apparently have a horse in that race (which doesn't even exist), when there is nothing to support even the slightest desire of the school to do anything but to continue to be in the BIG 12 and remain the wealthiest and one of the most powerful schools in the nation,

No one in the BIG 12 is changing conferences. There isn't any reason to and no one is considering it.
 
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2 years and 3 months ago. It was not several years. It was November of 2011. Ohio St and UCLA have never discussed leaving their conferences.

It was four or five years ago when schools began considering leaving the BIG 12 conference. Its been years since Texas considered leaving what they thought was a deteriorating situation. Everything has changed since that time.
 
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It was four or five years ago when schools began considering leaving the BIG 12 conference. Its been years since Texas considered leaving what they thought was a deteriorating situation. Everything has changed since that time.

Texas A&M announced they were leaving the B12 conference 2-1/2 years ago and formally left 18 months ago.. Texas and OU were in active discussions with PAC within that time frame. It's hardly ancient history.
 
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Yes, if you are creating an imaginary estimate of Texas leaving the BIG 12 you do apparently have a horse in that race (which doesn't even exist), when there is nothing to support even the slightest desire of the school to do anything but to continue to be in the BIG 12 and remain the wealthiest and one of the most powerful schools in the nation,

No one in the BIG 12 is changing conferences. There isn't any reason to and no one is considering it.

You're wrong about me having a horse in that race. And now we see you conveniently change facts to sport your case. You've made it clear that you are creating imaginary percentages.
 
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Buckaineer, We are obviously are not going to convince the other of our argument nor whose argument is more specious, so you can have the last word.

By the way, I do appreciate your optimism about Maryland, who I do actually have a horse in. I think they made the right move, but I am not as optimistic. There are plenty of pros and cons, and it's not certain if this will ultimately be the correct move.
 
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I will tell you why that is. They have no place to go. No one has invited them anywhere. They know however that FSU is their lifeblood and if FSU leaves--and they may have options--then the league is gutted. That is why they were adamant the vote was needed--because they want to keep having FSU prop them up.

Since conference realignment plays out primarily behind closed doors, it is nearly impossible to know who may or may not have received an invitation from another conference. That said its pretty disingenuous to claim that no team in The ACC has an option to go elsewhere other than FSU. Sure Wake or BC might be up S**** Creek but I'm fairly certain several others would be just fine. In fact if not for The GOR being in place, Delany would take UNC and UVA the second either expressed an interest in joining.
 
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Since conference realignment plays out primarily behind closed doors, it is nearly impossible to know who may or may not have received an invitation from another conference. That said its pretty disingenuous to claim that no team in The ACC has an option to go elsewhere other than FSU. Sure Wake or BC might be up S* Creek but I'm fairly certain several others would be just fine. In fact if not for The GOR being in place, Delany would take UNC and UVA the second either expressed an interest in joining.

Not what I said, you have twisted my words. I said that at the time schools in the ACC voted for an increase in their buyout, they did so because they didn't have an offer to go anywhere else, but knew if they lost FSU and perhaps others they would be in a precarious situation. If they believed they had offers then no school would have voted for the increase in the buyout without thoroughly investigating the offer. Delaney hasn't offered other schools an invitation from the ACC other than Maryland.
 
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Buckaineer, We are obviously are not going to convince the other of our argument nor whose argument is more specious, so you can have the last word.

By the way, I do appreciate your optimism about Maryland, who I do actually have a horse in. I think they made the right move, but I am not as optimistic. There are plenty of pros and cons, and it's not certain if this will ultimately be the correct move.

The issue is that your argument isn't an argument. It's an opinion with nothing behind it. It's like arguing the moon is made of cheese not because there is any evidence to support that, but because you want the moon to be made of cheese. It doesn't matter because your opinion isn't going to make the facts change-and the facts are no BIG 12 schools are considering leaving the BIG 12, nor are there any reasons that would compel them to.

Maryland made the choice they had to make and will soon be reaping financial rewards and will be seeing their stadiums fill up with fans from places like PSU and OSU. In a couple of years people will be wondering why they didn't make the move sooner if it were possible.
 
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Uh, no. WVU is one of the winningest programs not to yet win a national championship but want that as much as anyone and have played in a championship game and come close a few times. WVU was very successful in the BCS era--stomping Clemson btw in historic fashion just a couple of seasons back, as well as taking down the SEC and BIG 12 champions as well.

Yes, what a difference a couple years makes. Clemson (Go Tigers!) has back-to-back 10-win, bowl victory seasons (one BCS, the other over an SEC school). UCF (Go Knights!) emerged from the vestiges of the Big East to beat the Big XII champion. And WVU went 4-8 in that conference whose champion lost to AAC champion UCF.

WVU having been in the Big East never had the opportunity to compete with the same revenues some were gettting, but that is changing and it will help them boost their programs and facilities.
Miami and Virginia Tech played for (Miami won) national championships. WVU won BCS bowl games and had the 2008(?) BCS NCG berth at their fingertips before losing to 4-8 Pitt. How is it that the Big East held WVU back?

FSU has certainly made much noise the past couple of years about financial issues from the ACC affecting them as well.
"Noise" being the operative term. Yes, FSU and Clemson would quite likely leave ACC for SEC, but that simply was/is not going to happen (from SEC's side). The mere remote possibility of FSU to B1G had to be intriguing. FSU and Clemson to Big XII was never realistic -- just negotiating leverage and sabre rattling.
 
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Texas A&M announced they were leaving the B12 conference 2-1/2 years ago and formally left 18 months ago.. Texas and OU were in active discussions with PAC within that time frame. It's hardly ancient history.

WVU has played two full seasons in the BIG 12 for football. It was back in 2011 when A&M departed, and they began negotiating with the SEC as far back as early 2010. Its now 2014. These things happened several years ago, and as I stated many things have changed in the BIG 12 since that time. New commissioner, new tv contracts, Sugar Bowl, etc., etc. You want to ignore all this to pretend it has relevance to Texas or some stability of the present BIG 12 conference, it doesn't. Schools left, they are gone, and the conference adjusted and has moved on. You should do the same--2025 is a long ways off to continue to try and spin something that is never going to come about.
 
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Not what I said, you have twisted my words. I said that at the time schools in the ACC voted for an increase in their buyout, they did so because they didn't have an offer to go anywhere else, but knew if they lost FSU and perhaps others they would be in a precarious situation. If they believed they had offers then no school would have voted for the increase in the buyout without thoroughly investigating the offer. Delaney hasn't offered other schools an invitation from the ACC other than Maryland.

Delany only formally offers a school when he knows their answer is yes before hand. Do you honestly believe that The B1G has not used back channels to gauge the potential interest of schools like UT, UNC, UVA, and GT? If it was ever communicated by either UVA or UNC that they would like to join The B1G they would be in the B1G right now.

Is it not possible that these schools signed both the larger buy out and GOR to stabilize the ACC because they actually want to be in it? Hell I'm a B1G Fan and an East Coast resident so I would welcome just about any ACC Team into the B1G, however I don't want schools who's fan bases are almost universally against it. Other than maybe FSU or Clemson who would likely prefer The SEC, the balance of ACC Schools are in the conference that most appropriately suits them.
 
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