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whaler11 said:
If the Villanova stuff is true it's such a joke it's beyond belief. Instead of inviting Villanova just wave a white flag and be done with it.
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Same thing.
 
I was trying to figure out the "Bring Navy in Early" thing too. My biggest guess is that it's tied to TV. Right no the Big East is probably getting slammed by ESPN and NBC isn't looking any better so they are trying everything to get the numbers boosted. I think that Aresco knows/fears that if the BE TV deal ends up being in the 8 mil range, Louisville is gone. Right now, Louisville is the only team I see that has a legit chance to move anywhere and I think the Big-12 is really tempted to move on them when the time is right. If the TV deal is low, look for Louisville to beg the Big-12 to take them and thus allowing the Big-12 to not look like the raiding bad guy because Louisville will make it publicly known they are out. I'm totally speaking off the cuff but I can see this playing out.

So if they get Navy in sooner, maybe ESPN adds a few million to the pot. Saying that we have Navy joining in 2015 is such a long shot. I don't think they'll back out but it gives them 2 years to see how the NBE plays out and their role in the CFB landscape. Navy could decide to back out of the deal and this probably causes a lot of angst at a network like NBC. So I truly see the Navy thing as a TV deal driver.

On a side note, thank you for starting this thread as I too needed a break from the depressing state of our football program.
 
Navy joining early has to be tied into a TV deal. They do have some national following and while the locations are normally in ND's favor, they get home games (TV rights) to some games vs ND as well as the season ending army nationally televised game.

I think however that this is more to increase non ESPN interest in our football product than to get ESPN to throw a few more dollars into the pot (although the end result of the former would be the latter).
 
UCFBfan said:
I was trying to figure out the "Bring Navy in Early" thing too. My biggest guess is that it's tied to TV..
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The Navy services game had the Noon time slot on CBS yesterday.
 
I guess I have really underestimated the tv value of Navy. I thought that it would be good, since they have a national following. Based on the responses to this thread, they are likely better than I had imagined. It makes sense that the Notre Dame @ Navy game will carry some weight, along with the Army-Navy national televised game and the fact that the -Navy (and -Army, if we get ) are also nationally televised (the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy). Good responses, guys...
 
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whaler11 said:
Army had to quit CUSA because they couldn't compete. How could they compete in SuperCUSA.
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Having army, navy, and would be awesome.
I'm guessing you are probably correct that army won't join based on their experience with cusa. If that's the case, it's our loss.

Army and navy bring more tradition than any other programs in college FB. Would be great to have our league linked to those programs regardless of how many games they win...
 
I think army can put enough together to win 6 games and be bowl bound once every 4 years. The triple option makes defenses throw fits. I wonder how it would fare in a conference with 3 triple option teams.
 
husky210 said:
I think army can put enough together to win 6 games and be bowl bound once every 4 years. The triple option makes defenses throw fits. I wonder how it would fare in a conference with 3 triple option teams.
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I'm not sure if they can get to a bowl game as a team in the Big East, to be honest, but I'm not sure that matters much either. They would be good enough to get 3 or 4 wins a year (which is their standard, with the exception of 2010), but they would be doing it with bigger profile games (to increase their exposure) with a bigger paycheck (which West Point could use, I'm sure) and with their natural rivals in the same conference (Navy, ). The Commander-in-Chief Trophy would essentially become a Big East trophy.

I'm not sure if I want Army in the conference or not (quality vs. national presence argument), but I'm pretty sure that it would be a better experience for them than being in C-USA...
 
Army no more belongs in the Big East than Central Connecticut. The have no hope of competing - none. They can not get the level of player to compete.
 
whaler11 said:
Army no more belongs in the Big East than Central Connecticut. The have no hope of competing - none. They can not get the level of player to compete.
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I agree that they will be a losing team in this league. But they will probably field a team that is perhaps even slightly stronger than Memphis (*shocking) and decent enough to stay close in games with the bottom tier of the conference. They will have to grab 3 of their 4 wins OOC, and then hope that they get the Memphis game.

Unfortunately, they can't schedule BC five times a year in the Big East... :eek:
 
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UConnDan97 said:
I agree that they will be a losing team in this league. But they will probably field a team that is perhaps even slightly stronger than Memphis (*shocking) and decent enough to stay close in games with the bottom tier of the conference. They will have to grab 3 of their 4 wins OOC, and then hope that they get the Memphis game.

Unfortunately, they can't schedule BC five times a year in the Big East... :eek:
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Memphis in theory could improve. Army can't. I don't see why a program that left CUSA by choice would even agree to joining another league.
 
whaler11 said:
Memphis in theory could improve. Army can't. I don't see why a program that left CUSA by choice would even agree to joining another league.
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For the same reason that other teams leave for other conferences. Money...
 
Quick question, why are Navy and Air Force viewed by most to be acceptable additions capable of fielding quality teams, but somehow Army is viewed as weak and not being able to compete? What makes Army weaker than Air Force and Navy? I understand that recent history suggests this is true, but why is this happening?
 
metsfan2323 said:
Quick question, why are Navy and Air Force viewed by most to be acceptable additions capable of fielding quality teams, but somehow Army is viewed as weak and not being able to compete? What makes Army weaker than Air Force and Navy? I understand that recent history suggests this is true, but why is this happening?
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look at what each school has done the past 10 years
 
Army has more stringent size limitations on players than navy and Air Force. All have limitations on height/weight of students
 
husky210 said:
Army has more stringent size limitations on players than navy and Air Force. All have limitations on height/weight of students
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Thanks, I did not know that. I'm surprised Army wouldn't make weight exceptions for their football players.
 
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metsfan2323 said:
Thanks, I did not know that. I'm surprised Army wouldn't make weight exceptions for their football players.
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Surprisingly, Army cares about things more important than football lol
 
metsfan2323 said:
Thanks, I did not know that. I'm surprised Army wouldn't make weight exceptions for their football players.
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From what I've read in the past, all incoming freshmen at Army (plebes?) have to attend a mandatory summer boot camp that really sets the football players back in terms of weight and strength training. They have less ability to redshirt guys, etc also so are basically playing with mostly upperclassmen that haven't dropped out of football due to the other stringent requirements of attending West Point.
 
Army still does care about football, because they know, at least to some degree, that it is a great recruiting tool. Not just for West Point, but for the army in general. That's why I think that they would go for the big conference and the extra money, so long as they didn't believe that they would get absolutely embarrassed. The embarrassment would cost them the recruiting and wouldn't be worth the money.....but they ARE coming off of a victory against BC... ;)
 
I think the reason we are trying to get Navy in early is so that we can lure Notre Dame back to the Big East.
 
Aresco has it right. Once our conference has it's own Navy, it'll be unstoppable.

We can blockade the ACC into submission, then turn our attention to the Gulf States, and finally the West Coast.

That leaves the B1G as our only true competition. We'll probably need Army or Air Force for them, unless we can launch an offensive via the Great Lakes.

Not sure how we deal with BYU. Will they remain independent in the face of our offensive push, hoping we leave them alone? Or will they realize that Aresco is hellbent on college football domination and somehow attempt to work with the B1G to create two different fronts and win the war on the ground?
 
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mavblues said:
Aresco has it right. Once our conference has it's own Navy, it'll be unstoppable.

We can blockade the ACC into submission, then turn our attention to the Gulf States, and finally the West Coast.

That leaves the B1G as our only true competition. We'll probably need Army or Air Force for them, unless we can launch an offensive via the Great Lakes.

Not sure how we deal with BYU. Will they remain independent in the face of our offensive push, hoping we leave them alone? Or will they realize that Aresco is hellbent on college football domination and somehow attempt to work with the B1G to create two different fronts and win the war on the ground?
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We will dominate sea air and land.
 
UConnDan97 said:
I'm not sure if they can get to a bowl game as a team in the Big East, to be honest, but I'm not sure that matters much either. They would be good enough to get 3 or 4 wins a year (which is their standard, with the exception of 2010), but they would be doing it with bigger profile games (to increase their exposure) with a bigger paycheck (which West Point could use, I'm sure) and with their natural rivals in the same conference (Navy, ). The Commander-in-Chief Trophy would essentially become a Big East trophy.

I'm not sure if I want Army in the conference or not (quality vs. national presence argument), but I'm pretty sure that it would be a better experience for them than being in C-USA...
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Go to a game at Westpoint and take in the whole experience.
The cadets do a 9:00 field parade in which they welcome the opposing team and fans. I think it usually ends with a couple parachutes landing on the parade grounds. Weather wasn't great so they cancelled when I was there. During the field parade and inspection the band plays the opposing teams fight song as well (along with several traditional Army songs). Can only imagine how cool it would be to see Uconn play at Army.
Was at the Stony Brook game and it was an awesome experience. Probably had 20-25K at the game. Stony Brook probably had 1,500.
Army may lose more games than it wins, but would never suggest its a lack of quality.
 
whaler11 said:
Army no more belongs in the Big East than Central Connecticut. The have no hope of competing - none. They can not get the level of player to compete.
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Anybody who is looking to Army, Navy and Air Force to be saviors of the Big East...not happening. They just are incapable of competing at a high level on a regular basis. Oh, they run oddball offenses that catch teams off guard when they haven't seen that approach before but as a steady diet they just don't have the horses. It isn't 1959 any more.
 
metsfan2323 said:
Quick question, why are Navy and Air Force viewed by most to be acceptable additions capable of fielding quality teams, but somehow Army is viewed as weak and not being able to compete? What makes Army weaker than Air Force and Navy? I understand that recent history suggests this is true, but why is this happening?
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I could have sworn I heard this but I may be off. Air Force gives players the option to go to the NFL right after college and serve their duty to they air force at a later time. I remember there being a FB who I believe still plays for the Eagles, who was drafted right out of college. Not sure if Navy allows this but I'm almost positive Army does not. So that alone is a major strike against getting recruits who'd play football at a service academy.

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Marty Jackson said:
Go to a game at Westpoint and take in the whole experience.
The cadets do a 9:00 field parade in which they welcome the opposing team and fans. I think it usually ends with a couple parachutes landing on the parade grounds. Weather wasn't great so they cancelled when I was there. During the field parade and inspection the band plays the opposing teams fight song as well (along with several traditional Army songs). Can only imagine how cool it would be to see Uconn play at Army.
Was at the Stony Brook game and it was an awesome experience. Probably had 20-25K at the game. Stony Brook probably had 1,500.
Army may lose more games than it wins, but would never suggest its a lack of quality.
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UConn played at Army twice. It was a fun trip. If Army had to play in the Big East they would win a conference game once every election cycle. Even considering them is insanity.
 
Michie is a great place to see a game, but that won't help them win.
 
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