Aresco Asking Navy to Join Early

[UConnDan97]

This is the NOTRE DAME problem.

They want to PLAY National Name Brands. It's important to them. But, as conference play gets in swing; they are left with lesser name opponents. That was one of the prime reasons given for why ND wanted to be in the ACC. No more Tulsa or Western Michigan on the schedule. Games in the latter part of the season that are interesting.

The numbers? BYU is outside the Big5 & deserves a good sized number. I don't think they will be in the B12.

A couple of things, Pudge:

1) Although I agree that it may have been part of the motivation for ND, ND has never had a problem getting others (even in the big conferences) to change their schedules to accomodate for late-season games. BYU is a different story. ND's move seems to me to be clearly trying to leverage the big bowl payout situations and bowl game tie ins, not to mention the playoff ramifications that will follow.

2) It had been reported that the Big12 had tried to get BYU to join them in the past, but ran into the same problems that the Big East ran into; namely the tv deal situation.

I don't know how long BYU can stay on the outside looking in, but I hope that they decide to join up with the NBE, and sooner rather than later. They are a good brand name with a good football team, and it would add money to the new contract.

 

[UConnDan97]

If one didn't like ND in the league on the Irish's terms...

I don't think they are joining the league. I imagine they will keep trying to add Air Force. Honestly at this point I'd rather just invite ECU. At the very least they have fans.

I think that I agree with you on the ECU thing. Eastern coast school with a die-hard fanbase and a decent product on the field that may grow into something. WAY better than having to hear about the possibility that Nova jumps into the league....yikes....

 

[whaler11]

I think that I agree with you on the ECU thing. Eastern coast school with a die-hard fanbase and a decent product on the field that may grow into something. WAY better than having to hear about the possibility that Nova jumps into the league....yikes....

If the Villanova stuff is true it's such a joke it's beyond belief. Instead of inviting Villanova just wave a white flag and be done with it.

 

[Marty Jackson]

Just add air force, BYU, and army. If any of those balk, take the best remaining programs to further distance the be from everyone else...

 

[whaler11]

Army had to quit CUSA because they couldn't compete. How could they compete in SuperCUSA.

 

[TRest]

If the Villanova stuff is true it's such a joke it's beyond belief. Instead of inviting Villanova just wave a white flag and be done with it.

Same thing.

 

[UCFBfan]

I was trying to figure out the "Bring Navy in Early" thing too. My biggest guess is that it's tied to TV. Right no the Big East is probably getting slammed by ESPN and NBC isn't looking any better so they are trying everything to get the numbers boosted. I think that Aresco knows/fears that if the BE TV deal ends up being in the 8 mil range, Louisville is gone. Right now, Louisville is the only team I see that has a legit chance to move anywhere and I think the Big-12 is really tempted to move on them when the time is right. If the TV deal is low, look for Louisville to beg the Big-12 to take them and thus allowing the Big-12 to not look like the raiding bad guy because Louisville will make it publicly known they are out. I'm totally speaking off the cuff but I can see this playing out.

So if they get Navy in sooner, maybe ESPN adds a few million to the pot. Saying that we have Navy joining in 2015 is such a long shot. I don't think they'll back out but it gives them 2 years to see how the NBE plays out and their role in the CFB landscape. Navy could decide to back out of the deal and this probably causes a lot of angst at a network like NBC. So I truly see the Navy thing as a TV deal driver.

On a side note, thank you for starting this thread as I too needed a break from the depressing state of our football program.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Navy joining early has to be tied into a TV deal. They do have some national following and while the locations are normally in ND's favor, they get home games (TV rights) to some games vs ND as well as the season ending army nationally televised game.

I think however that this is more to increase non ESPN interest in our football product than to get ESPN to throw a few more dollars into the pot (although the end result of the former would be the latter).

 

[Dann]

add , byu and unr please

 

[RS9999X]

I was trying to figure out the "Bring Navy in Early" thing too. My biggest guess is that it's tied to TV..

The Navy services game had the Noon time slot on CBS yesterday.

 

[UConnDan97]

I guess I have really underestimated the tv value of Navy. I thought that it would be good, since they have a national following. Based on the responses to this thread, they are likely better than I had imagined. It makes sense that the Notre Dame @ Navy game will carry some weight, along with the Army-Navy national televised game and the fact that the -Navy (and -Army, if we get ) are also nationally televised (the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy). Good responses, guys...

 

[RS9999X]

Tier I talks real money ....

Note Aresco's name buried in this press release....

http://www.army.mil/article/24816/army-football-signs-multi-year-tv-deal/

 

[Marty Jackson]

Army had to quit CUSA because they couldn't compete. How could they compete in SuperCUSA.

Having army, navy, and would be awesome.
I'm guessing you are probably correct that army won't join based on their experience with cusa. If that's the case, it's our loss.

Army and navy bring more tradition than any other programs in college FB. Would be great to have our league linked to those programs regardless of how many games they win...

 

[husky210]

I think army can put enough together to win 6 games and be bowl bound once every 4 years. The triple option makes defenses throw fits. I wonder how it would fare in a conference with 3 triple option teams.

 

[UConnDan97]

I think army can put enough together to win 6 games and be bowl bound once every 4 years. The triple option makes defenses throw fits. I wonder how it would fare in a conference with 3 triple option teams.

I'm not sure if they can get to a bowl game as a team in the Big East, to be honest, but I'm not sure that matters much either. They would be good enough to get 3 or 4 wins a year (which is their standard, with the exception of 2010), but they would be doing it with bigger profile games (to increase their exposure) with a bigger paycheck (which West Point could use, I'm sure) and with their natural rivals in the same conference (Navy, ). The Commander-in-Chief Trophy would essentially become a Big East trophy.

I'm not sure if I want Army in the conference or not (quality vs. national presence argument), but I'm pretty sure that it would be a better experience for them than being in C-USA...

 

[whaler11]

Army no more belongs in the Big East than Central Connecticut. The have no hope of competing - none. They can not get the level of player to compete.

 

[UConnDan97]

Army no more belongs in the Big East than Central Connecticut. The have no hope of competing - none. They can not get the level of player to compete.

I agree that they will be a losing team in this league. But they will probably field a team that is perhaps even slightly stronger than Memphis (*shocking) and decent enough to stay close in games with the bottom tier of the conference. They will have to grab 3 of their 4 wins OOC, and then hope that they get the Memphis game.

Unfortunately, they can't schedule BC five times a year in the Big East...

 

[whaler11]

I agree that they will be a losing team in this league. But they will probably field a team that is perhaps even slightly stronger than Memphis (*shocking) and decent enough to stay close in games with the bottom tier of the conference. They will have to grab 3 of their 4 wins OOC, and then hope that they get the Memphis game.

Unfortunately, they can't schedule BC five times a year in the Big East...

Memphis in theory could improve. Army can't. I don't see why a program that left CUSA by choice would even agree to joining another league.

 

[UConnDan97]

Memphis in theory could improve. Army can't. I don't see why a program that left CUSA by choice would even agree to joining another league.

For the same reason that other teams leave for other conferences. Money...

 

[metsfan2323]

Quick question, why are Navy and Air Force viewed by most to be acceptable additions capable of fielding quality teams, but somehow Army is viewed as weak and not being able to compete? What makes Army weaker than Air Force and Navy? I understand that recent history suggests this is true, but why is this happening?

 

[Dann]

Quick question, why are Navy and Air Force viewed by most to be acceptable additions capable of fielding quality teams, but somehow Army is viewed as weak and not being able to compete? What makes Army weaker than Air Force and Navy? I understand that recent history suggests this is true, but why is this happening?

look at what each school has done the past 10 years

 

[husky210]

Army has more stringent size limitations on players than navy and Air Force. All have limitations on height/weight of students

 

[metsfan2323]

Army has more stringent size limitations on players than navy and Air Force. All have limitations on height/weight of students

Thanks, I did not know that. I'm surprised Army wouldn't make weight exceptions for their football players.

 

[mets1090]

Thanks, I did not know that. I'm surprised Army wouldn't make weight exceptions for their football players.

Surprisingly, Army cares about things more important than football lol

 

[TRest]

Thanks, I did not know that. I'm surprised Army wouldn't make weight exceptions for their football players.

From what I've read in the past, all incoming freshmen at Army (plebes?) have to attend a mandatory summer boot camp that really sets the football players back in terms of weight and strength training. They have less ability to redshirt guys, etc also so are basically playing with mostly upperclassmen that haven't dropped out of football due to the other stringent requirements of attending West Point.