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Andre Jackson Testing the NBA Draft Waters: ESPN

PAHusky said:
Right but we’re not comparing him to your normal NBA prospect. Shooting expectations for a non-center can’t get much lower than they are with Andre and with those numbers and a slightly more repeatable looking jumper that may be all it takes for one front office to take a chance
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25 shots in an empty gym doesn't replace 3 years of data on the court. The combine is more for fans than teams, honestly.

His shot doesn't look any more repeatable than it did a year ago. It's completely broken. He might've tightened up his footwork a bit, but that's probably just because he's in an empty gym. He shoots like a t-rex. It would be one thing if that god-awful form went in, but it hasn't consistently. Still a non-shooter and a total form rebuild right now.
 
husky429 said:
25 shots in an empty gym doesn't replace 3 years of data on the court. The combine is more for fans than teams, honestly.

His shot doesn't look any more repeatable than it did a year ago. It's completely broken. He might've tightened up his footwork a bit, but that's probably just because he's in an empty gym. He shoots like a t-rex. It would be one thing if that god-awful form went in, but it hasn't consistently. Still a non-shooter and a total form rebuild right now.
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But if he came back & got in a gym with Ray or Rip, he could go back next year and shoot 23/25….
 
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navery12 said:
I mean, short answer is yes. I think he needed to shoot better than 64% on open 3's to change minds. It's a small sample so I don't think anything he (or anyone else for that matter) did would significantly change minds. Teams aren't going to suddenly guard him closely as a result of this.

Which isn't a knock on Andre. I still think he's worthy of an early 2nd round pick, and I still think he should stay in the draft. I'm just not sure the combine is a big factor for a guy like him. We know he can shoot in an empty gym, we know he's gonna test off the charts athletically, the question teams have can only be answered in games
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Are those shots harder or easier than free throws? More difficult, right? 64% from the line would not be something to brag about but let’s say he could shoot 72-75% from the line. Would that be good enough? I think so.
 
TheHorde said:
Are those shots harder or easier than free throws? More difficult, right? 64% from the line would not be something to brag about but let’s say he could shoot 72-75% from the line. Would that be good enough? I think so.
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I read this 4x and still have no idea what you're trying to say.

72% from FT in an empty practice gym is not good either. Pretty terrible actually.
 
auror said:
To clarify, Jackson had a 39.5" max vert and a 30.5" standing vert.

Can see both on boards here:
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I know nothing about this stuff but these don’t strike me as elite NBA numbers. Top 4 in one one not top 10 in another. If u mulitply that by 10 years of draftees in the nba there are 39/99 more athletic guys
 
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husky429 said:
25 shots in an empty gym doesn't replace 3 years of data on the court. The combine is more for fans than teams, honestly.

His shot doesn't look any more repeatable than it did a year ago. It's completely broken. He might've tightened up his footwork a bit, but that's probably just because he's in an empty gym. He shoots like a t-rex. It would be one thing if that god-awful form went in, but it hasn't consistently. Still a non-shooter and a total form rebuild right now.
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All a GM needs to see is some slight improvement or willingness to work and a shot that isn’t totally defunct. Shooting 60% on open looks in an empty gym is not impressive at all, as you’ve covered, but it may be enough to make a GM take a chance on someone if they’re on the fence. That’s all
 
husky429 said:
16/25 is not good in an empty gym by D1 standards, let alone NBA standards. It's actually pretty bad. I could shoot 60% from deep from 3 alone in the gym in college, and I was a horrible D2 player who never played more than 5 minutes a game.
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Agree 100.
I thought I was losing my grip on reality.
 
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husky429 said:
16/25 is not good in an empty gym by D1 standards, let alone NBA standards. It's actually pretty bad. I could shoot 60% from deep from 3 alone in the gym in college, and I was a horrible D2 player who never played more than 5 minutes a game.
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Ok, understand. Yet no one in the 64% isn't good enough camp has given us a #. B/c it is much easier to just say not good enough than to say 2 more shots out of 25 would be good b/c that is patently ridiculous. Also he is obviously not alone (you are exaggerating to try to make your point) and there are eyeballs watching that happen to bring the pressure of millions of dollars at stake. THAT MATTERS!

The NBA 3 is deeper than the college, Andre struggled shooting the college 3, this is a positive sign. I agree not an order winner, but its an order qualifier which is really what we are talking about. I mean are UConn fans really arguing AJ doesn't have the potential to make an impact on the NBA level?!
 
Dogdeacon said:
Ok, understand. Yet no one in the 64% isn't good enough camp has given us a #. B/c it is much easier to just say not good enough than to say 2 more shots out of 25 would be good b/c that is patently ridiculous. Also he is obviously not alone (you are exaggerating to try to make your point) and there are eyeballs watching that happen to bring the pressure of millions of dollars at stake. THAT MATTERS!

The NBA 3 is deeper than the college, Andre struggled shooting the college 3, this is a positive sign. I agree not an order winner, but its an order qualifier which is really what we are talking about. I mean are UConn fans really arguing AJ doesn't have the potential to make an impact on the NBA level?!
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There is no number, because it's a 25 shot sample on broken form. Show me the number on 1000 shots and we can talk. Better yet, show me live drills at max speed after a workout.

The reality is that in the eyes of the league, he's a 0 3PA per game guy without a total rebuild. This drill is part of the combine, but ultimately meaningless for his draft position.

I don't think anyone is hoping Andre can't compete in the league. I see people setting realistic expectations for his draftability and role. I think he can make millions as a bench leader, defender, rebounder, passer and energy guy and take a few years to develop a passable shot in the meantime.
 
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husky429 said:
There is no number, because it's a 25 shot sample on broken form. Show me the number on 1000 shots and we can talk. Better yet, show me live drills at max speed after a workout.

I don't think anyone is hoping Andre can't compete in the league. I see people setting realistic expectations for his draftability and role.
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Understand, I agree Andre is not a good jump shooter and I don't expect him to make a high % of NBA 3's in games - at least not right away (ie. summer league would be very surprising if he shot better than college % from NBA three).

Yet, the people who get paid and have actual jobs to scout, evaluate and draft NBA players ARE USING THIS DRILL TO ASSESS HIS ABILITIES. And there are plenty of stories good and bad of players that wow'd in workouts that resulted in getting picked by teams.

It isn't everything, it doesn't change his college stats, it also matters some.
 
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Am I the only one who sees a Michael Adams comparison? In form only. But it's the first thing I thought of when i saw Jackson as a freshman.
 
tykurez said:
This is not broken. If I’m a shot coach I see a ton of potential here … you get him to work on not starting from below his waist and he’ll improve immediately. An NBA team watching his interviews and knowing his work ethic would be crazy to not want to take a flyer on this kid.
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Give us an example of someone out of the 80 players at the combine who’s shot you don’t see potential in
 
I'm far from being a talent evaluator for the NBA but even I know 16-25 on uncontested 3's is horrible.
 
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I guess they all suck as AJ was also in the top 4 in the 3-point star drill (also 16/25) as well as tied for 4th in the spot up shooting drill (16/25 again). AJ has been better than average in many skills. The surprise was the low standing vertical. The NBA certainly doesn't spend time to hype the combine. Finding the data is a twitter maze. Seems like a lost opportunity.
 
UConnRock said:
I guess they all suck as AJ was also in the top 4 in the 3-point star drill (also 16/25) as well as tied for 4th in the spot up shooting drill (16/25 again). AJ has been better than average in many skills. The surprise was the low standing vertical. The NBA certainly doesn't spend time to hype the combine. Finding the data is a twitter maze. Seems like a lost opportunity.
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LOL! Exactly...I wonder which "great shooters" underperformed...maybe it isn't actually "easy" to make 80% on 3's in an empty gym (with a bunch of scouts and NBA executives watching)

And any scout that has seen AJ in-game knows that his leaping ability and athleticism is in the top 99% so that's not some big draft decision dealbreaker...
 
UConnRock said:
I guess they all suck as AJ was also in the top 4 in the 3-point star drill (also 16/25) as well as tied for 4th in the spot up shooting drill (16/25 again). AJ has been better than average in many skills. The surprise was the low standing vertical. The NBA certainly doesn't spend time to hype the combine. Finding the data is a twitter maze. Seems like a lost opportunity.
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Combine stopped being hyped up when the big name stars stopped going.
 
JustbrewitMan said:
LOL! Exactly...I wonder which "great shooters" underperformed...maybe it isn't actually "easy" to make 80% on 3's in an empty gym (with a bunch of scouts and NBA executives watching)

And any scout that has seen AJ in-game knows that his leaping ability and athleticism is in the top 99% so that's not some big draft decision dealbreaker...
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Your second paragraph is the point. Any scout that has seen Andre play knows he’s not a shooter. A small sample size in an empty gym is prob not going to have much effect on that. Similarly, any scout that’s watched him play is not stressing what his combine vertical measurement is.
 
UConnRock said:
I guess they all suck as AJ was also in the top 4 in the 3-point star drill (also 16/25) as well as tied for 4th in the spot up shooting drill (16/25 again). AJ has been better than average in many skills. The surprise was the low standing vertical. The NBA certainly doesn't spend time to hype the combine. Finding the data is a twitter maze. Seems like a lost opportunity.
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They prob don’t promote it cause a lot of it is crap & a formality. Individual workouts, game tape & interviews are prob a ridiculously weighted portion of these guys draft-ability
 
BGesus4 said:
Give us an example of someone out of the 80 players at the combine who’s shot you don’t see potential in
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Some are acting like he’s got an unfixable shot. There have been plenty of recent cases of players that just could not figure it out or have struggled to figure it out (Fultz, Simmons the most famous). All I’m saying is I think he’s starting from a place that’s a heck of a lot better than where the Ball brothers were and the kid is a workaholic.
 
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