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Andre Jackson Testing the NBA Draft Waters: ESPN

BGesus4 said:
Your second paragraph is the point. Any scout that has seen Andre play knows he’s not a shooter. A small sample size in an empty gym is prob not going to have much effect on that. Similarly, any scout that’s watched him play is not stressing what his combine vertical measurement is.
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When a guy is a borderline 1st/2nd rounder showing any skill that goes beyond the expected has value.
 
tykurez said:
Some are acting like he’s got an unfixable shot. There have been plenty of recent cases of players that just could not figure it out or have struggled to figure it out (Fultz, Simmons the most famous). All I’m saying is I think he’s starting from a place that’s a heck of a lot better than where the Ball brothers were and the kid is a workaholic.
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Did you watch the Ball brothers play in high school?
 
I guess I'm off in my thinking again. Andre's shot and form looked much better than I expected. As opposed to seeing a practice 16/25 I saw a "show out and you make millions" type pressure on his "empty gym" effort.
I would guage the pressure on Andre as being more than the "fun" 3 point shooting contest at the NBA all star game. The record for makes are 21/25 done twice by Craig Hodges and if you got 19/25 you are in top 10 all time (and that's a lot of rounds of shooting by the very best over about 40 years).
So I see his 16/25 as a big plus. Am I comparing the right stats (see below) where super shooter Grady Dick also was 16/25? No one thinks Andre can shoot like Houston's Sasser but Marcus is an outlier according to the stats shown below.


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Chin Diesel said:
I'm far from being a talent evaluator for the NBA but even I know 16-25 on uncontested 3's is horrible.
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Whoops, care to amend your comment after seeing the actual results? We've got 1 guy above horrible!
I do agree with the first part of your sentence. I'll hang up and listen.
 
Husky68 said:
I guess I'm off in my thinking again. Andre's shot and form looked much better than I expected. As opposed to seeing a practice 16/25 I saw a "show out and you make millions" type pressure on his "empty gym" effort.
I would guage the pressure on Andre as being more than the "fun" 3 point shooting contest at the NBA all star game. The record for makes are 21/25 done twice by Craig Hodges and if you got 19/25 you are in top 10 all time (and that's a lot of rounds of shooting by the very best over about 40 years).
So I see his 16/25 as a big plus. Am I comparing the right stats (see below) where super shooter Grady Dick also was 16/25? No one thinks Andre can shoot like Houston's Sasser but Marcus is an outlier according to the stats shown below.


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to that point, here is the final (i think?) leaderboard:

 
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husky429 said:
Combine stopped being hyped up when the big name stars stopped going.
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Correct me if im wrong, but I think all the top players go now.. Saw an article somewhere. I think Wemby only one not in attendance due to his team being in the playoffs?
 
dannyHAM said:
Correct me if im wrong, but I think all the top players go now.. Saw an article somewhere. I think Wemby only one not in attendance due to his team being in the playoffs?
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This is perfect illustration of the crazy disparate takes in this thread.
Those that are proved wrong are more sure of themselves than folks just trying to have a discussion.
The problem is the combine is so crowded that no one goes anymore.
 
This will have much more impact on draft position than performance in the NCAA tournament.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
This is perfect illustration of the crazy disparate takes in this thread.
Those that are proved wrong are more sure of themselves than folks just trying to have a discussion.
The problem is the combine is so crowded that no one goes anymore.
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Im so confused. Are you coming at me? I genuinely thought they were like requiring top prospects to attend the combine in the future..

bleacherreport.com

NBA Scouting Combine Invitees Must Participate to Be Drafted Starting in 2024

As part of the new collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and tbhe National Basketball Players Association, draft-eligible players are required to…
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dannyHAM said:
Im so confused. Are you coming at me? I genuinely thought they were like requiring top prospects to attend the combine in the future..

bleacherreport.com

NBA Scouting Combine Invitees Must Participate to Be Drafted Starting in 2024

As part of the new collective bargaining agreement between the NBA and tbhe National Basketball Players Association, draft-eligible players are required to…
bleacherreport.com bleacherreport.com
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No sorry, the opposite. I think husky429 had a passioned take that no one goes. You dispelled diplomatically.
 
husky429 said:
There is no number, because it's a 25 shot sample on broken form. Show me the number on 1000 shots and we can talk. Better yet, show me live drills at max speed after a workout.

The reality is that in the eyes of the league, he's a 0 3PA per game guy without a total rebuild. This drill is part of the combine, but ultimately meaningless for his draft position.

I don't think anyone is hoping Andre can't compete in the league. I see people setting realistic expectations for his draftability and role. I think he can make millions as a bench leader, defender, rebounder, passer and energy guy and take a few years to develop a passable shot in the meantime.
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People here are getting way too obsessed with looking at him shooting a very small sample size and making some of them. These workouts really aren’t going to show that much we didn’t already know about him & what we can see on film/his whole body of work. There are things he does well and there will be an NBA team who will draft him based on those skills you outlined. From there, they will try to rebuild his shot and attempt to turn him into some type of scoring threat. These workouts really don’t tell us much, we already know where he is at. He didn’t just learn how to shoot all the sudden. It will take him years of development to become respectable in that category, if it happens at all. People need to just sit back and enjoy the process for him. He will get drafted and he will get a shot. Easy to bet and root for a kid like that.
 
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Andre might get drafted in the first round it just won’t have anything to do with making 16-25 in the combine.

Guys at this level can do crazy things in an empty gym that just don’t translate to real games. A couple years ago there was all this talk that Mitchell Robinson was working on shooting 3s, there was footage of him hitting 3 after 3 in a row. 2 years later he has no in game jumper from any range and he’s a 45% free throw shooter
 
I would have bet my life on Andre jumping over 40" max vert. That is absolutely astonishing. I would have thought he'd hit 44". Still, looks like he's off to a good start.
 
Fatroony5 said:
People here are getting way too obsessed with looking at him shooting a very small sample size and making some of them. These workouts really aren’t going to show that much we didn’t already know about him & what we can see on film/his whole body of work. There are things he does well and there will be an NBA team who will draft him based on those skills you outlined. From there, they will try to rebuild his shot and attempt to turn him into some type of scoring threat. These workouts really don’t tell us much, we already know where he is at. He didn’t just learn how to shoot all the sudden. It will take him years of development to become respectable in that category, if it happens at all. People need to just sit back and enjoy the process for him. He will get drafted and he will get a shot. Easy to bet and root for a kid like that.
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He's also probably taking 500+ shots in a team workout in more game-like situations.
 
husky429 said:
He's also probably taking 500+ shots in a team workout in more game-like situations.
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Yep exactly. And recency bias of course, but I can’t help but watch PJ Tucker this postseason and think to myself: Andre ***could get to that level/role. PJ had a pretty astonishing career, leaving the NBA for years, only to come back and find himself a role. He’s stuck around a long long time in the NBA for a guy who barely scores the ball.
 
kemba said:
Andre might get drafted in the first round it just won’t have anything to do with making 16-25 in the combine.

Guys at this level can do crazy things in an empty gym that just don’t translate to real games. A couple years ago there was all this talk that Mitchell Robinson was working on shooting 3s, there was footage of him hitting 3 after 3 in a row. 2 years later he has no in game jumper from any range and he’s a 45% free throw shooter
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While I agree with all that, then what's the point of doing that drill at the combine?
 
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Fatroony5 said:
Yep exactly. And recency bias of course, but I can’t help but watch PJ Tucker this postseason and think to myself: Andre ***could get to that level/role. PJ had a pretty astonishing career, leaving the NBA for years, only to come back and find himself a role. He’s stuck around a long long time in the NBA for a guy who barely scores the ball.
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This is one of the things that makes evaluating Andre Jackson so hard. I don't think it's a crazy statement to think he could carve out a PJ Tucker role, or someone threw out Andre Roberson as a comp too. But then you look at the stats and Andre Jackson has scored 506 points in 3 years at UConn, PJ Tucker scored 594 his junior year alone when he averaged 16 a game. Roberson wasn't quite as drastic but even he had 2 seasons averaging 11 a game.

Andre is just SO far behind these non-scoring NBA guys in his ability to score at the college level that it makes finding a comp hard for him
 
I want this man to be a lottery pick. I want him to make 200+ million. It’s an uphill battle when his shot starts at the waist and all the defender needs to do is stick out his arm to poke at the ball. Please Andre, learn how to shoot from Ray or Hawk.

His shot, or lack of, is holding him back.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I don’t think NBADraft.net is very good. I also haven’t seen Taylor Hendricks anywhere near as high as 4, so take that fwiw.
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I just looked at Bleacher Report and ESPN, both post-lottery mock drafts, so they are clearly updated. BR has Andre at #30 and ESPN has him at #29. I have more faith in those writers to actually pay attention to combines than NBADraft.net. I think he's as good as gone, as he should be, if either of those writers have any decent sources to what scouts are actually saying.
 
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