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Andre Jackson goes #36 to Milwaukee Buck (via Orlando)

slepers said:
So you don’t appreciate what he did for us, and his chances of playing in the league. Thanks.
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I agree - crazy. Adama is a winner. He took a couple Big East Ref handicap games comparison when Adama was in foul trouble due to the Big East handicapping for UConn’s talent.
 
slepers said:
So you don’t appreciate what he did for us, and his chances of playing in the league. Thanks.
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Rolling my eyes. I'm using logic to explain a result some people can't seem to comprehend with their own logic. It has nothing to do with appreciating him or what he did for the team. I just don't care for hyperbole offered as fact and I was asked to respond with specifics so I did. The chances of any UDFA are not high, though some do succeed. I trust his work ethic, but I'm not going to assume a low percentage likelihood thing happens just because I love the guy. I trust he's on the grind already, but sometimes that's not enough.
 
Chief00 said:
So do you acknowledge no one outplayed him in nearly 40 games?
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For sure ... no one outplays Adama.

He's going to make the NBA in time, he's still on a rapid upward trajectory with his game and if Chicago doesn't give him his chance someone else will. Hope he gets good coaching and a real opportunity to develop whatever it is they are looking for.
 
So damn happy for Andre. Kid worked through some tough times, made himself such an important piece for any team he would be part of. If he can blow up his shot with help and find a way to be even a decent shooter he will be such a good NBA player. Even as who he is, in the right fit he always will have a spot.

Good luck Andre!!
 
Thrilled for Andre — don’t watch much NBA but seems like a good landing spot.

Anyone have insights on how his deal will work out? It seems like more early 2nd round guys get 2 years guaranteed, but I’m not super familiar with how it works beyond the team having all discretion.
 
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GotNets? said:
Thrilled for Andre — don’t watch much NBA but seems like a good landing spot.

Anyone have insights on how his deal will work out? It seems like more early 2nd round guys get 2 years guaranteed, but I’m not super familiar with how it works beyond the team having all discretion.
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Looking at the 2022 draft class, there seems to be a couple different outcomes but I will boil it down to what seems clear:

  1. His 2023-24 salary will be around $1 million (it was $1.017 mil for all 2022 guys so assume this ticks up a hair)
  2. HIs 2024-25 salary will be around $1.7 million (it was $1.719 mil for all 2022 guys so assume this ticks up a hair)
  3. From looking at the contracts of the guys below, year 3 would be about $2.02 million if offered a 3 year contract up front (more on the likelihood of getting year 3 below)
So with years 1 and 2 set, this is where there is some variance:
  • Max Christie was picked one spot before Andre in 2022 (pick 35) and only has a 2 year deal, after year 2 is restricted free agency
  • Jaden Hary was picked one spot after Andre in 2022 (pick 37) and has a 3 year deal with year 3 being partially guaranteed ($2.019 million if not cut from team for full season)
  • Kennedy Chandler 2 spots behind Andre in 2022 and got the largest guaranteed contract for a 2nd round pick ever 4 years 7.1 million, 4.94 guaranteed.
  • Bryce McGowens 3 spots behind Andre in 2022 and a 4 year deal, only 2 guaranteed before RFA. Year 3 would be that same $2.019 million, Year 4 would be about $2.2 million
So like you said, 2 years guaranteed is the minimum along with about $3 million total, but the Bucks can offer more as the examples above show with 3 of the 4 guys selected around the same spot as Andre last year.

*the guy selected the same spot as Andre in 2022 has not come over from Europe yet
 
Storrs South said:
Looking at the 2022 draft class, there seems to be a couple different outcomes but I will boil it down to what seems clear:

  1. His 2023-24 salary will be around $1 million (it was $1.017 mil for all 2022 guys so assume this ticks up a hair)
  2. HIs 2024-25 salary will be around $1.7 million (it was $1.719 mil for all 2022 guys so assume this ticks up a hair)
  3. From looking at the contracts of the guys below, year 3 would be about $2.02 million if offered a 3 year contract up front (more on the likelihood of getting year 3 below)
So with years 1 and 2 set, this is where there is some variance:
  • Max Christie was picked one spot before Andre in 2022 (pick 35) and only has a 2 year deal, after year 2 is restricted free agency
  • Jaden Hary was picked one spot after Andre in 2022 (pick 37) and has a 3 year deal with year 3 being partially guaranteed ($2.019 million if not cut from team for full season)
  • Kennedy Chandler 2 spots behind Andre in 2022 and got the largest guaranteed contract for a 2nd round pick ever 4 years 7.1 million, 4.94 guaranteed.
  • Bryce McGowens 3 spots behind Andre in 2022 and a 4 year deal, only 2 guaranteed before RFA. Year 3 would be that same $2.019 million, Year 4 would be about $2.2 million
So like you said, 2 years guaranteed is the minimum along with about $3 million total, but the Bucks can offer more as the examples above show with 3 of the 4 guys selected around the same spot as Andre last year.

*the guy selected the same spot as Andre in 2022 has not come over from Europe yet
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Appreciate the info here.
 
navery12 said:
And just to add additional context, Kennedy Chandler has already been released by Memphis. So the 2nd round really is a crapshoot
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Truth is, guys get picked in the second round for good reasons. Usually, it’s a grind to stick around long term. There will always be outliers with a few really succeeding. Most don’t make it very long.

I am of course very happy for Andre but in hindsight knowing what we know now, I think he should have came back. The second round would always be available to him. Now, maybe the medicals scared teams late and at the deadline he was receiving different information. Probably. But risk/reward shifted dropping into second round long term.
 
Dre stepped on campus with an injury and missed time in two of three seasons. He’ll play next season at age 22, which is impossibly young for almost everything except professional basketball. Basketball becomes his job now with access to the best of everything. He was the 36th overall pick and joins a solid basketball organization. He is so happy and ready right now. Coming back guaranteed nothing.
 
djct1999 said:
Truth is, guys get picked in the second round for good reasons. Usually, it’s a grind to stick around long term. There will always be outliers with a few really succeeding. Most don’t make it very long.

I am of course very happy for Andre but in hindsight knowing what we know now, I think he should have came back. The second round would always be available to him. Now, maybe the medicals scared teams late and at the deadline he was receiving different information. Probably. But risk/reward shifted dropping into second round long term.
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The medicals would have scared them next year as well. Look at how Cam Whitmore fell. Might as well work on developing his shot and getting paid a ton to do it.
 
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Bucks did their homework on Andre.. Once picks were in around #30.. They knew they had a shot at getting him(per GM Horst) and wanted to make sure.. So they traded up with Orlando .. In the press conference after the picks were in with Milwaukee media.. On YouTube.. Horst was pretty excited that they were able to get Andre with their first pick of the draft. Great fit as a connector/defender/high BBIQ/championship mentality. New coach (Griffen) had input as well and believes Andre is an excellent fit.. especially because they believe in his ability to defend positions 1-4.. Andre left a strong impression with his interview after his workout with Bucks.

Happy for him to be with a winning organization.. You know he'll put in the work/sweat equity to improve.
 
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Letsgohuskies11 said:
The medicals would have scared them next year as well. Look at how Cam Whitmore fell. Might as well work on developing his shot and getting paid a ton to do it.
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It’s water under the bridge. But I would’ve loved to see how scouts looked at him after a full season playing like he did from February on.

Something definitely clicked for him when it came to figuring out how to score. Think it would’ve been helpful to him to be fully confident heading into the NBA understanding how he can get his which I’m not all the way sure of right now. When you look at his percentages I think the most notable jump was him just figuring out how to convert more 2s.
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NJHoops said:
Dre stepped on campus with an injury and missed time in two of three seasons. He’ll play next season at age 22, which is impossibly young for almost everything except professional basketball. Basketball becomes his job now with access to the best of everything. He was the 36th overall pick and joins a solid basketball organization. He is so happy and ready right now. Coming back guaranteed nothing.
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Fair point. But Dre is a unique case study. He has elite qualities with one glaring deficiency. If you factor in NIL money, you can easily argue both sides. If he developed a shot at the collegiate level, he would earn 6 to 10x the money he is guaranteed now. Not sure how much he would have received in NIL, but with his personality and pedigree, I assume its significant.

For example, at #30 overall, Kobe Brown should sign a 4 year $12.4M contract with the #Clippers, including salaries of: 23-24: $2.4M 24-25: $2.5M 25-26: $2.6M (club option) 26-27: $4.8M (club option).

At #14 overall, Jordan Hawkins should sign a 4 year, $20.5M contract including salaries of: 23-24: $4.3M 24-25: $4.5M 25-26: $4.7M (club option) 26-27: $7M (club option)

Any way, lets hope he kills it. I do wonder though if he knew then that he was going to be drafted in the second round, if he still would have made the same decision. Like I said, Dre is an unusual case with unique talents.
 
djct1999 said:
Fair point. But Dre is a unique case study. He has elite qualities with one glaring deficiency. If you factor in NIL money, you can easily argue both sides. If he developed a shot at the collegiate level, he would earn 6 to 10x the money he is guaranteed now. Not sure how much he would have received in NIL, but with his personality and pedigree, I assume its significant.

For example, at #30 overall, Kobe Brown should sign a 4 year $12.4M contract with the #Clippers, including salaries of: 23-24: $2.4M 24-25: $2.5M 25-26: $2.6M (club option) 26-27: $4.8M (club option).

At #14 overall, Jordan Hawkins should sign a 4 year, $20.5M contract including salaries of: 23-24: $4.3M 24-25: $4.5M 25-26: $4.7M (club option) 26-27: $7M (club option)

Any way, lets hope he kills it. I do wonder though if he knew then that he was going to be drafted in the second round, if he still would have made the same decision. Like I said, Dre is an unusual case with unique talents.
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With 'Dre, in my opinion it just boiled down to resources at the next level. He knows he needs to shoot to get that F-U money, and there just isn't the same amount of resources at the college level to develop that jumper.
 
djct1999 said:
Fair point. But Dre is a unique case study. He has elite qualities with one glaring deficiency. If you factor in NIL money, you can easily argue both sides. If he developed a shot at the collegiate level, he would earn 6 to 10x the money he is guaranteed now. Not sure how much he would have received in NIL, but with his personality and pedigree, I assume its significant.

For example, at #30 overall, Kobe Brown should sign a 4 year $12.4M contract with the #Clippers, including salaries of: 23-24: $2.4M 24-25: $2.5M 25-26: $2.6M (club option) 26-27: $4.8M (club option).

At #14 overall, Jordan Hawkins should sign a 4 year, $20.5M contract including salaries of: 23-24: $4.3M 24-25: $4.5M 25-26: $4.7M (club option) 26-27: $7M (club option)

Any way, lets hope he kills it. I do wonder though if he knew then that he was going to be drafted in the second round, if he still would have made the same decision. Like I said, Dre is an unusual case with unique talents.
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Andre worked on his jumper all summer last summer, and dropped 8 percentage points on his 3P%. The NBA draft really dislikes age, it's better to be a junior with potential than a senior with a refined game

There were 4 seniors drafted in the first round -
  1. Jaime Jaquez (18ppg on 48% FG)
  2. Marcus Sasser (17ppg on 44%)
  3. Ben Sheppard (19ppg on 47.5%)
  4. Kobe Brown (16ppg on 55%)
For reference, Andre was at 7 PPG on 43%. For him to be a guaranteed first round prospect as a senior, he'd need to fully transform his game. It seems the Bucks were excited to get him so I'm confident he'll pick up that second contract. No guarantees that he'd be able to fix his shot and become a high volume scorer this offseason, so I think it's better that he went now when his draft value was at an all time high
 
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REB1094 said:
Andre worked on his jumper all summer last summer, and dropped 8 percentage points on his 3P%. The NBA draft really dislikes age, it's better to be a junior with potential than a senior with a refined game

There were 4 seniors drafted in the first round -
  1. Jaime Jaquez (18ppg on 48% FG)
  2. Marcus Sasser (17ppg on 44%)
  3. Ben Sheppard (19ppg on 47.5%)
  4. Kobe Brown (16ppg on 55%)
For reference, Andre was at 7 PPG on 43%. For him to be a guaranteed first round prospect as a senior, he'd need to fully transform his game. It seems the Bucks were excited to get him so I'm confident he'll pick up that second contract. No guarantees that he'd be able to fix his shot and become a high volume scorer this offseason, so I think it's better that he went now when his draft value was at an all time high
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I don’t know, maybe this helps prove my point. Dre w a consistent, merely improved shot (doesn’t have to be volume scorer) is better than all these guys. Yet, they will mak 3-6x what Dre earns in first four years.
 
djct1999 said:
I don’t know, maybe this helps prove my point. Dre w a consistent, merely improved shot (doesn’t have to be volume scorer) is better than all these guys. Yet, they will make6-9x what Dre earns in first four years.
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I believe the flaw in this is assuming he would just have a decent, improved shot with one more off-season of work in college while not considering all of the possible downsides (age, injury, whatever).

Dre is the ultimate team player, now he gets to be a little selfish by just focusing on his game, backed by the professional resources of a team invested in his development. He accomplished everything he promised UConn fans at the college level and is going out on the highest possible note.

Because of who and how he is, Andre will be great in life and successful, no matter which path he ends up on. Sure, he could have messed around and brought in some more solid NIL money. Financially, he would be fine, but that doesn’t support his NBA dream and goal.
 
NJHoops said:
I believe the flaw in this is assuming he would just have a decent, improved shot with one more off-season of work in college while not considering all of the possible downsides (age, injury, whatever).

Dre is the ultimate team player, now he gets to be a little selfish by just focusing on his game, backed by the professional resources of a team invested in his development. He accomplished everything he promised UConn fans at the college level and is going out on the highest possible note.

Because of who and how he is, Andre will be great in life and successful, no matter which path he ends up on. Sure, he could have messed around and brought in some more solid NIL money. Financially, he would be fine, but that doesn’t support his NBA dream and goal.
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And the flaw in this is you assume if all else fails he doesn’t still get drafted mid 30s next year.

And on top of that, 2nd round money is hardly a reason why a team will keep someone around. Right or wrong, the James Bouknights of the world will have a much longer leash than Ajax. That’s just the business of the nba. To completely discredit the notion that he potentially passed on first round money by not coming back is delusional.
 
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djct1999 said:
And the flaw in this is you assume if all else fails he doesn’t still get drafted mid 30s next year.
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I think the flaw is on your part. Woj said on draft night that fell he out of the first round this year due to concerns over wear and tear from past injuries. His clock is ticking in the eyes of NBA execs. Barring an incredible (a pretty unlikely) improvement to his shooting he stands little chance of getting drafted there again.
 
djct1999 said:
And the flaw in this is you assume if all else fails he doesn’t still get drafted mid 30s next year.

And on top of that, 2nd round money is hardly a reason why a team will keep someone around. Right or wrong, the James Bouknights of the world will have a much longer leash than Ajax. That’s just the business of the nba. To completely discredit the notion that he potentially passed on first round money by not coming back is delusional.
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There are certainly flawed arguments being made, but they're all coming from your side
 
navery12 said:
There are certainly flawed arguments being made, but they're all coming from your side
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How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.
 
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djct1999 said:
How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.
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this place feels like the twilight zone sometimes. I don’t have a fraction of the information available to me that Hurley and Andre have and it was not remotely surprising to me that he got picked at the top of the second round.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
this place feels like the twilight zone sometimes. I don’t have a fraction of the information available to me that Hurley and Andre have and it was not remotely surprising to me that he got picked at the top of the second round.
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Exactly. You don’t. Which is why your point is subjective.
 
djct1999 said:
How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.
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I think the answer is almost undoubtedly "yes." Most people in the media thought he was going early second round and he did, and I would imagine Andre had a much better sense of his draft position than any of us.
 
djct1999 said:
I don’t know, maybe this helps prove my point. Dre w a consistent, merely improved shot (doesn’t have to be volume scorer) is better than all these guys. Yet, they will mak 3-6x what Dre earns in first four years.
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If Andre isn't a volume scorer, he won't get drafted in the 1st round next year. If you aren't a really really good scorer, you won't get picked there as a senior. Last year, the only senior drafted in the first round was Ochai Agbaji (19PPG)
  • In 2021, Chris Duarte (17PPG) and Corey Kispert (19PPG).
  • In 2020, Payton Pritchard (20.5PPG), Udoka Azubuike (14PPG but 10.5 RPG and #1 for NCAA all time career FG%)
  • In 2019, Cameron Johnson (17PPG), Matisse Thybulle (the only exception), and Dylan Windler (21PPG)
And the trend continues after that as well. There is a proven and pretty consistent blueprint to get into the 1st round as a senior, and it is the complete opposite of everything Andre is good at. It's very risky for a guy who is a career non-scorer to come back and try to increase his scoring output 2.5x-3x to try to get into the first round. Especially when he played himself into the NBA by doing everything except scoring

If he comes back as the exact same player but makes 1 three a game at 35% next year (which is a huge jump for him), he drops from 36 into the 40s. The NBA is very ageist
 
djct1999 said:
How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.
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Wasn't early 2nd round the general consensus of where he was going to get picked? And that's where he got picked.

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Obviously we don't know what NBA teams told him. Maybe someone promised to take him late in the first round but then reneged on that. I wonder if that does happen sometimes.
 
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