Andre Jackson goes #36 to Milwaukee Buck (via Orlando)

[djct1999]

Dre stepped on campus with an injury and missed time in two of three seasons. He’ll play next season at age 22, which is impossibly young for almost everything except professional basketball. Basketball becomes his job now with access to the best of everything. He was the 36th overall pick and joins a solid basketball organization. He is so happy and ready right now. Coming back guaranteed nothing.

Fair point. But Dre is a unique case study. He has elite qualities with one glaring deficiency. If you factor in NIL money, you can easily argue both sides. If he developed a shot at the collegiate level, he would earn 6 to 10x the money he is guaranteed now. Not sure how much he would have received in NIL, but with his personality and pedigree, I assume its significant.

For example, at #30 overall, Kobe Brown should sign a 4 year $12.4M contract with the #Clippers, including salaries of: 23-24: $2.4M 24-25: $2.5M 25-26: $2.6M (club option) 26-27: $4.8M (club option).

At #14 overall, Jordan Hawkins should sign a 4 year, $20.5M contract including salaries of: 23-24: $4.3M 24-25: $4.5M 25-26: $4.7M (club option) 26-27: $7M (club option)

Any way, lets hope he kills it. I do wonder though if he knew then that he was going to be drafted in the second round, if he still would have made the same decision. Like I said, Dre is an unusual case with unique talents.

 

[husky429]

Fair point. But Dre is a unique case study. He has elite qualities with one glaring deficiency. If you factor in NIL money, you can easily argue both sides. If he developed a shot at the collegiate level, he would earn 6 to 10x the money he is guaranteed now. Not sure how much he would have received in NIL, but with his personality and pedigree, I assume its significant.

For example, at #30 overall, Kobe Brown should sign a 4 year $12.4M contract with the #Clippers, including salaries of: 23-24: $2.4M 24-25: $2.5M 25-26: $2.6M (club option) 26-27: $4.8M (club option).

At #14 overall, Jordan Hawkins should sign a 4 year, $20.5M contract including salaries of: 23-24: $4.3M 24-25: $4.5M 25-26: $4.7M (club option) 26-27: $7M (club option)

Any way, lets hope he kills it. I do wonder though if he knew then that he was going to be drafted in the second round, if he still would have made the same decision. Like I said, Dre is an unusual case with unique talents.

With 'Dre, in my opinion it just boiled down to resources at the next level. He knows he needs to shoot to get that F-U money, and there just isn't the same amount of resources at the college level to develop that jumper.

 

[REB1094]

Fair point. But Dre is a unique case study. He has elite qualities with one glaring deficiency. If you factor in NIL money, you can easily argue both sides. If he developed a shot at the collegiate level, he would earn 6 to 10x the money he is guaranteed now. Not sure how much he would have received in NIL, but with his personality and pedigree, I assume its significant.

For example, at #30 overall, Kobe Brown should sign a 4 year $12.4M contract with the #Clippers, including salaries of: 23-24: $2.4M 24-25: $2.5M 25-26: $2.6M (club option) 26-27: $4.8M (club option).

At #14 overall, Jordan Hawkins should sign a 4 year, $20.5M contract including salaries of: 23-24: $4.3M 24-25: $4.5M 25-26: $4.7M (club option) 26-27: $7M (club option)

Any way, lets hope he kills it. I do wonder though if he knew then that he was going to be drafted in the second round, if he still would have made the same decision. Like I said, Dre is an unusual case with unique talents.

Andre worked on his jumper all summer last summer, and dropped 8 percentage points on his 3P%. The NBA draft really dislikes age, it's better to be a junior with potential than a senior with a refined game

There were 4 seniors drafted in the first round -

1. Jaime Jaquez (18ppg on 48% FG)
2. Marcus Sasser (17ppg on 44%)
3. Ben Sheppard (19ppg on 47.5%)
4. Kobe Brown (16ppg on 55%)

For reference, Andre was at 7 PPG on 43%. For him to be a guaranteed first round prospect as a senior, he'd need to fully transform his game. It seems the Bucks were excited to get him so I'm confident he'll pick up that second contract. No guarantees that he'd be able to fix his shot and become a high volume scorer this offseason, so I think it's better that he went now when his draft value was at an all time high

 

[djct1999]

Andre worked on his jumper all summer last summer, and dropped 8 percentage points on his 3P%. The NBA draft really dislikes age, it's better to be a junior with potential than a senior with a refined game

There were 4 seniors drafted in the first round -

1. Jaime Jaquez (18ppg on 48% FG)
2. Marcus Sasser (17ppg on 44%)
3. Ben Sheppard (19ppg on 47.5%)
4. Kobe Brown (16ppg on 55%)

For reference, Andre was at 7 PPG on 43%. For him to be a guaranteed first round prospect as a senior, he'd need to fully transform his game. It seems the Bucks were excited to get him so I'm confident he'll pick up that second contract. No guarantees that he'd be able to fix his shot and become a high volume scorer this offseason, so I think it's better that he went now when his draft value was at an all time high

I don’t know, maybe this helps prove my point. Dre w a consistent, merely improved shot (doesn’t have to be volume scorer) is better than all these guys. Yet, they will mak 3-6x what Dre earns in first four years.

 

[NJHoops]

I don’t know, maybe this helps prove my point. Dre w a consistent, merely improved shot (doesn’t have to be volume scorer) is better than all these guys. Yet, they will make6-9x what Dre earns in first four years.

I believe the flaw in this is assuming he would just have a decent, improved shot with one more off-season of work in college while not considering all of the possible downsides (age, injury, whatever).

Dre is the ultimate team player, now he gets to be a little selfish by just focusing on his game, backed by the professional resources of a team invested in his development. He accomplished everything he promised UConn fans at the college level and is going out on the highest possible note.

Because of who and how he is, Andre will be great in life and successful, no matter which path he ends up on. Sure, he could have messed around and brought in some more solid NIL money. Financially, he would be fine, but that doesn’t support his NBA dream and goal.

 

[djct1999]

I believe the flaw in this is assuming he would just have a decent, improved shot with one more off-season of work in college while not considering all of the possible downsides (age, injury, whatever).

Dre is the ultimate team player, now he gets to be a little selfish by just focusing on his game, backed by the professional resources of a team invested in his development. He accomplished everything he promised UConn fans at the college level and is going out on the highest possible note.

Because of who and how he is, Andre will be great in life and successful, no matter which path he ends up on. Sure, he could have messed around and brought in some more solid NIL money. Financially, he would be fine, but that doesn’t support his NBA dream and goal.

And the flaw in this is you assume if all else fails he doesn’t still get drafted mid 30s next year.

And on top of that, 2nd round money is hardly a reason why a team will keep someone around. Right or wrong, the James Bouknights of the world will have a much longer leash than Ajax. That’s just the business of the nba. To completely discredit the notion that he potentially passed on first round money by not coming back is delusional.

 

[The Shot]

And the flaw in this is you assume if all else fails he doesn’t still get drafted mid 30s next year.

I think the flaw is on your part. Woj said on draft night that fell he out of the first round this year due to concerns over wear and tear from past injuries. His clock is ticking in the eyes of NBA execs. Barring an incredible (a pretty unlikely) improvement to his shooting he stands little chance of getting drafted there again.

 

[navery12]

And the flaw in this is you assume if all else fails he doesn’t still get drafted mid 30s next year.

And on top of that, 2nd round money is hardly a reason why a team will keep someone around. Right or wrong, the James Bouknights of the world will have a much longer leash than Ajax. That’s just the business of the nba. To completely discredit the notion that he potentially passed on first round money by not coming back is delusional.

There are certainly flawed arguments being made, but they're all coming from your side

 

[djct1999]

There are certainly flawed arguments being made, but they're all coming from your side

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

this place feels like the twilight zone sometimes. I don’t have a fraction of the information available to me that Hurley and Andre have and it was not remotely surprising to me that he got picked at the top of the second round.

 

[djct1999]

this place feels like the twilight zone sometimes. I don’t have a fraction of the information available to me that Hurley and Andre have and it was not remotely surprising to me that he got picked at the top of the second round.

Exactly. You don’t. Which is why your point is subjective.

 

[husky429]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

I think the answer is almost undoubtedly "yes." Most people in the media thought he was going early second round and he did, and I would imagine Andre had a much better sense of his draft position than any of us.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

Exactly. You don’t. Which is why your point is subjective.

This is one of those internet debates where the guy swimming against the tide doesn’t even know what point he’s making anymore.

 

[REB1094]

I don’t know, maybe this helps prove my point. Dre w a consistent, merely improved shot (doesn’t have to be volume scorer) is better than all these guys. Yet, they will mak 3-6x what Dre earns in first four years.

If Andre isn't a volume scorer, he won't get drafted in the 1st round next year. If you aren't a really really good scorer, you won't get picked there as a senior. Last year, the only senior drafted in the first round was Ochai Agbaji (19PPG)

• In 2021, Chris Duarte (17PPG) and Corey Kispert (19PPG).
• In 2020, Payton Pritchard (20.5PPG), Udoka Azubuike (14PPG but 10.5 RPG and #1 for NCAA all time career FG%)
• In 2019, Cameron Johnson (17PPG), Matisse Thybulle (the only exception), and Dylan Windler (21PPG)

And the trend continues after that as well. There is a proven and pretty consistent blueprint to get into the 1st round as a senior, and it is the complete opposite of everything Andre is good at. It's very risky for a guy who is a career non-scorer to come back and try to increase his scoring output 2.5x-3x to try to get into the first round. Especially when he played himself into the NBA by doing everything except scoring

If he comes back as the exact same player but makes 1 three a game at 35% next year (which is a huge jump for him), he drops from 36 into the 40s. The NBA is very ageist

 

[HooperScooper]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

Wasn't early 2nd round the general consensus of where he was going to get picked? And that's where he got picked.

UCONN’s 2023 NBA Prospects

the-boneyard.com

Obviously we don't know what NBA teams told him. Maybe someone promised to take him late in the first round but then reneged on that. I wonder if that does happen sometimes.

 

[navery12]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

Yes it was pretty widely reported during the entire draft process that his range was late 1st to early 2nd, so the draft played out in the expected range

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

If Andre isn't a volume scorer, he won't get drafted in the 1st round next year. If you aren't a really really good scorer, you won't get picked there as a senior. Last year, the only senior drafted in the first round was Ochai Agbaji (19PPG)

• In 2021, Chris Duarte (17PPG) and Corey Kispert (19PPG).
• In 2020, Payton Pritchard (20.5PPG), Udoka Azubuike (14PPG but 10.5 RPG and #1 for NCAA all time career FG%)
• In 2019, Cameron Johnson (17PPG), Matisse Thybulle (the only exception), and Dylan Windler (21PPG)

And the trend continues after that as well. There is a proven and pretty consistent blueprint to get into the 1st round as a senior, and it is the complete opposite of everything Andre is good at. It's very risky for a guy who is a career non-scorer to come back and try to increase his scoring output 2.5x-3x to try to get into the first round. Especially when he played himself into the NBA by doing everything except scoring

If he comes back as the exact same player but makes 1 three a game at 35% next year (which is a huge jump for him), he drops from 36 into the 40s. The NBA is very ageist

I think Andre is a very rare case where he does everything else at a very high level.

Most of those big time scorers were just that. So they HAD to do it at a very high level.

Andre just had to show he’s capable period. Which he hasn’t done from anywhere on the floor let alone shooting. That’s what I’m worried about because he’s not anywhere close to being even a Ben Simmons level scorer. As a second rounder I’m not sure what teams will have patience for that. But I’m rooting hard for him to find his fit.

 

[JakeTheDog]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

Take the L and move on man. Andre knew the Bucks would take him if he was still available at 36. Don’t be obtuse.

 

[Chief00]

Bucks did their homework on Andre.. Once picks were in around #30.. They knew they had a shot at getting him(per GM Horst) and wanted to make sure.. So they traded up with Orlando .. In the press conference after the picks were in with Milwaukee media.. On YouTube.. Horst was pretty excited that they were able to get Andre with their first pick of the draft. Great fit as a connector/defender/high BBIQ/championship mentality. New coach (Griffen) had input as well and believes Andre is an excellent fit.. especially because they believe in his ability to defend positions 1-4.. Andre left a strong impression with his interview after his workout with Bucks.

Happy for him to be with a winning organization.. You know he'll put in the work/sweat equity to improve.

Andre is great as the missing piece on a team already contending with a Super star. In that situation his tangibles and intangibles take on heighten importance.

 

[Chief00]

A contending team doesn’t need an additional volume scorer - they need someone who does the little things the makes you win the close ones.

 

[djct1999]

Take the L and move on man. Andre knew the Bucks would take him if he was still available at 36. Don’t be obtuse.

There is no L to take. I simply asked a question.

 

[djct1999]

Wasn't early 2nd round the general consensus of where he was going to get picked? And that's where he got picked.

UCONN’s 2023 NBA Prospects

the-boneyard.com

Obviously we don't know what NBA teams told him. Maybe someone promised to take him late in the first round but then reneged on that. I wonder if that does happen sometimes.

The point is Andre is a unique talent. He has elite nba athleticism w no jump shot. He is an outlier. No one on here knows what was told to his camp at the deadline. The case can be made that if he returned to school, improved his jump shot, that he would be a lottery pick. It is merely a hypothetical. I am not convinced as so many on here are that this was the best case scenario.

 

[djct1999]

Yes it was pretty widely reported during the entire draft process that his range was late 1st to early 2nd, so the draft played out in the expected range

It was predominantly late first and those five or six spots can be life altering.

 

[djct1999]

This is one of those internet debates where the guy swimming against the tide doesn’t even know what point he’s making anymore.

Are you speaking about you or me? I clearly know my point. Not sure you even made one other than pound your chest you knew before all that he would go mid 30s.

 

[Waquoit]

It was predominantly late first and those five or six spots can be life altering.

Everything I read had late-1st as a best case scenario.