Andre Jackson goes #36 to Milwaukee Buck (via Orlando)

[navery12]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

Yes it was pretty widely reported during the entire draft process that his range was late 1st to early 2nd, so the draft played out in the expected range

 

[Deleted at users request]

If Andre isn't a volume scorer, he won't get drafted in the 1st round next year. If you aren't a really really good scorer, you won't get picked there as a senior. Last year, the only senior drafted in the first round was Ochai Agbaji (19PPG)

• In 2021, Chris Duarte (17PPG) and Corey Kispert (19PPG).
• In 2020, Payton Pritchard (20.5PPG), Udoka Azubuike (14PPG but 10.5 RPG and #1 for NCAA all time career FG%)
• In 2019, Cameron Johnson (17PPG), Matisse Thybulle (the only exception), and Dylan Windler (21PPG)

And the trend continues after that as well. There is a proven and pretty consistent blueprint to get into the 1st round as a senior, and it is the complete opposite of everything Andre is good at. It's very risky for a guy who is a career non-scorer to come back and try to increase his scoring output 2.5x-3x to try to get into the first round. Especially when he played himself into the NBA by doing everything except scoring

If he comes back as the exact same player but makes 1 three a game at 35% next year (which is a huge jump for him), he drops from 36 into the 40s. The NBA is very ageist

I think Andre is a very rare case where he does everything else at a very high level.

Most of those big time scorers were just that. So they HAD to do it at a very high level.

Andre just had to show he’s capable period. Which he hasn’t done from anywhere on the floor let alone shooting. That’s what I’m worried about because he’s not anywhere close to being even a Ben Simmons level scorer. As a second rounder I’m not sure what teams will have patience for that. But I’m rooting hard for him to find his fit.

 

[JakeTheDog]

How so? All I am asking is if Andre and Danny knew he would get picked in mid 30s, would they make the same decision. Really not that flawed or crazy.

Name one thing I asked that is objectively flawed.

Take the L and move on man. Andre knew the Bucks would take him if he was still available at 36. Don’t be obtuse.

 

[Chief00]

Bucks did their homework on Andre.. Once picks were in around #30.. They knew they had a shot at getting him(per GM Horst) and wanted to make sure.. So they traded up with Orlando .. In the press conference after the picks were in with Milwaukee media.. On YouTube.. Horst was pretty excited that they were able to get Andre with their first pick of the draft. Great fit as a connector/defender/high BBIQ/championship mentality. New coach (Griffen) had input as well and believes Andre is an excellent fit.. especially because they believe in his ability to defend positions 1-4.. Andre left a strong impression with his interview after his workout with Bucks.

Happy for him to be with a winning organization.. You know he'll put in the work/sweat equity to improve.

Andre is great as the missing piece on a team already contending with a Super star. In that situation his tangibles and intangibles take on heighten importance.

 

[Chief00]

A contending team doesn’t need an additional volume scorer - they need someone who does the little things the makes you win the close ones.

 

[djct1999]

Take the L and move on man. Andre knew the Bucks would take him if he was still available at 36. Don’t be obtuse.

There is no L to take. I simply asked a question.

 

[djct1999]

Wasn't early 2nd round the general consensus of where he was going to get picked? And that's where he got picked.

UCONN’s 2023 NBA Prospects

You mean specialize in a specific part of the game? Hawkins wouldn’t have a limited role, We don't know. Take a look at the lottery every year, and you see guys who you thought were amazing players, but most of them become role players and have holes in their game. Can they fix the holes...

the-boneyard.com

Obviously we don't know what NBA teams told him. Maybe someone promised to take him late in the first round but then reneged on that. I wonder if that does happen sometimes.

The point is Andre is a unique talent. He has elite nba athleticism w no jump shot. He is an outlier. No one on here knows what was told to his camp at the deadline. The case can be made that if he returned to school, improved his jump shot, that he would be a lottery pick. It is merely a hypothetical. I am not convinced as so many on here are that this was the best case scenario.

 

[djct1999]

Yes it was pretty widely reported during the entire draft process that his range was late 1st to early 2nd, so the draft played out in the expected range

It was predominantly late first and those five or six spots can be life altering.

 

[djct1999]

This is one of those internet debates where the guy swimming against the tide doesn’t even know what point he’s making anymore.

Are you speaking about you or me? I clearly know my point. Not sure you even made one other than pound your chest you knew before all that he would go mid 30s.

 

[Waquoit]

It was predominantly late first and those five or six spots can be life altering.

Everything I read had late-1st as a best case scenario.

 

[djct1999]

Everything I read had late-1st as a best case scenario.

Yes. Which is why I regretfully asked if he knew he was going 36th would he make the same decision. Anyway, we are all Ajax fans and let’s hope he plays well!

 

[HooperScooper]

It was predominantly late first and those five or six spots can be life altering.

I don't think that's true. Predominantly early 2nd round. Click on the links below.

UCONN’s 2023 NBA Prospects

You mean specialize in a specific part of the game? Hawkins wouldn’t have a limited role, We don't know. Take a look at the lottery every year, and you see guys who you thought were amazing players, but most of them become role players and have holes in their game. Can they fix the holes...

the-boneyard.com

2023 NBA Draft Mock Draft Tracker

A cohesive look at where experts expect Jordan Hawkins, Andre Jackson and Adama Sanogo to land.

www.theuconnblog.com

 

[husky429]

The point is Andre is a unique talent. He has elite nba athleticism w no jump shot. He is an outlier. No one on here knows what was told to his camp at the deadline. The case can be made that if he returned to school, improved his jump shot, that he would be a lottery pick. It is merely a hypothetical. I am not convinced as so many on here are that this was the best case scenario.

I think we can reasonably say if Andre came back and scored 16ppg with his same intangibles on 35% or better from a mid-to-high volume from 3 then he would get drafted in the first round. Probably late because of his age.

Does anyone think that would happen though? He's had 3 years in college to develop a shot and hasn't. There's only so many resources in a college program, and it's possible he doesn't have it in him even with NBA coaching either.

 

[Chief00]

I think we can reasonably say if Andre came back and scored 16ppg with his same intangibles on 35% or better from a mid-to-high volume from 3 then he would get drafted in the first round. Probably late because of his age.

Does anyone think that would happen though? He's had 3 years in college to develop a shot and hasn't. There's only so many resources in a college program, and it's possible he doesn't have it in him even with NBA coaching either.

I am far more optimistic about Andre’s shot upside than many here. Some of the issue is mental /confidence. His arch, rotation and backspin gives you something that one can work with.

 

[CL82]

The Bucks know that Andre is The Answer.

 

[CL82]

Truth is, guys get picked in the second round for good reasons. Usually, it’s a grind to stick around long term. There will always be outliers with a few really succeeding. Most don’t make it very long.

I am of course very happy for Andre but in hindsight knowing what we know now, I think he should have came back. The second round would always be available to him. Now, maybe the medicals scared teams late and at the deadline he was receiving different information. Probably. But risk/reward shifted dropping into second round long term.

 

[Edward Sargent]

I think we can reasonably say if Andre came back and scored 16ppg with his same intangibles on 35% or better from a mid-to-high volume from 3 then he would get drafted in the first round. Probably late because of his age.

Does anyone think that would happen though? He's had 3 years in college to develop a shot and hasn't. There's only so many resources in a college program, and it's possible he doesn't have it in him even with NBA coaching either.

Trying to force that level of scoring might have taken away the focus on intangibles

 

[pj]

Trying to force that level of scoring might have taken away the focus on intangibles

Yes! It was more important to develop his strengths than to mitigate his weaknesses. His strengths got him drafted. Weaknesses can be mitigated on the court, it's a team game, teammates can cover for your weaknesses. But practice and development time has to build exceptional strengths.

 

[djct1999]

I think we can reasonably say if Andre came back and scored 16ppg with his same intangibles on 35% or better from a mid-to-high volume from 3 then he would get drafted in the first round. Probably late because of his age.

Does anyone think that would happen though? He's had 3 years in college to develop a shot and hasn't. There's only so many resources in a college program, and it's possible he doesn't have it in him even with NBA coaching either.

This narrative Andre would have to be a volume shooter is entirely false. He needed to improve his technique and show an ability to hit an open shot consistently. He is so good at so many other things he never has to be a volume scorer.
Let me ask another honest question, do you really think any player will stick in the nba playing the 2 or 3 that has Andre’s current shot? He is going to have to improve regardless if he wants a second contract. He has to get it to a point to keep opposing team defenses honest, nothing more. Let’s hope he does.

 

[Umami Zen]

Based on their draft position and roster needs.. Andre was one of Milwaukee's targets in this draft. After he remained undrafted by pick #30.. They were determined to go "get our guy" and insured that by trading up a position with Orlando on a draft swap and cash deal. He had a great workout and interview with them..

Coach Griffen prefers players who pride themselves on defensive side of the ball and are great teammates on the court and in the locker room.. Giannis needs people around him who can get him the ball in his spots.. Andre will be able to do that in the future. Buck's GM even mentioned that he was most impressed with Andre as a connector--making the right pass at the right time to the right player--With outstanding BBIQ. The Bucks also pride themselves in their SnC/conditioning and skill development resources and know exactly what they're getting in Andre.

I would say its a smart pick/great gamble by Bucks at that draft spot and an excellent landing spot for Andre and his skill package.

 

[husky429]

This narrative Andre would have to be a volume shooter is entirely false. He needed to improve his technique and show an ability to hit an open shot consistently. He is so good at so many other things he never has to be a volume scorer.
Let me ask another honest question, do you really think any player will stick in the nba playing the 2 or 3 that has Andre’s current shot? He is going to have to improve regardless if he wants a second contract. He has to get it to a point to keep opposing team defenses honest, nothing more. Let’s hope he does.

Ok, he only needs to be a spot up shooter and improve his form. He hasn't done it in 3 years. Why do you think he can do it now in the exact same environment?

If you're stagnant, something has to change.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

Yes. Which is why I regretfully asked if he knew he was going 36th would he make the same decision. Anyway, we are all Ajax fans and let’s hope he plays well!

If we all knew this was a very real possibility (and likelihood), I'm sure he was aware as well.

 

[NJHoops]

Worth a scroll through…

 

[djct1999]

Ok, he only needs to be a spot up shooter and improve his form. He hasn't done it in 3 years. Why do you think he can do it now in the exact same environment?

If you're stagnant, something has to change.

For one, its not the exact same enviornment. Whatever, it started as a simple question. I am a huge fan of Andre and really hope he thrives in the NBA. I can still wonder if coming back for one more year in hindsight was the better finanical move. Lets move on.

 

[husky429]

For one, its not the exact same enviornment. Whatever, it started as a simple question. I am a huge fan of Andre and really hope he thrives in the NBA. I can still wonder if coming back for one more year in hindsight was the better finanical move. Lets move on.

Same college team. Same coaches. Same practice gym. Same amount of time with coaches in the off-seasonA couple different teammates and managers?

For all intents and purposes, it's the same environment.

 

[Deleted at users request]

I really don’t get why people ignore the clear evidence of his end of the year play that didn’t have much to do with him making threes and had more to do with him not focusing on that.

To see that, and then circle back around to “He needs to work on his three point shooting” doesn’t make sense. He played his best basketball down the stretch hitting maybe one three a game.

It feels like he wasted three years of developing his scoring on trying to be a three point shooter instead of trying to make other, easier, parts of his game better. That could’ve also better prepared him to be a productive offensive player at the next level without living and dying with his biggest flaw.

Outside of shooting, I don’t think people understanding just how much he is lacking from the rest of his offensive scoring game that isn’t normal.

 

[djct1999]

Same college team. Same coaches. Same practice gym. Same amount of time with coaches in the off-seasonA couple different teammates and managers?

For all intents and purposes, it's the same environment.

Different players. Different role in offense. Its constantly changing and evolving.

 

[HuskyHawk]

For one, its not the exact same enviornment. Whatever, it started as a simple question. I am a huge fan of Andre and really hope he thrives in the NBA. I can still wonder if coming back for one more year in hindsight was the better finanical move. Lets move on.

The reports I saw from scouts suggested that he'd need to completely rebuild his shot from scratch. He can't do that if he's trying to win games at UConn. He can if he's in the G-League (which is where I think he will start out). He has to be in a situation where winning is irrelevant, but working on a redesigned jump shot is all that matters.

 

[husky429]

Different players. Different role in offense. Its constantly changing and evolving.

He was a spot up shooter the last 3 years and he will be a spot up shooter when he learns to shoot. The difference in his role on offense doesn't matter. It's the same shot.

Our team has some managers and limited practices time with coaches. Most of his work has to be alone because of NCAA rules. The resources to rebuild his shot don't exist at the college level don't exist. We know this because he hasn't. His shooting form still looks like a 5th-graders.

Even In the G-league there is unlimited time on the practice court with dedicated skill development pros. It's not even a remotely comprable situation. Andre could wake up at 3am on a whim and some trainer will show up at the gym to work with him.

What you're saying is just silly.

 

[Waquoit]

Andre could wake up at 3am on a whim and some trainer will show up at the gym to work with him.

FWIW, Shabazz praised the UConn managers for their willingness to rebound for players "even at 12 o'clock at night."