Am I a hall of famer? (Active players only)

[Jaydumo20]

I have one for the NFL, Calais Campbell.

Ooooh good one. I'm gonna say yes.
Also, his old cardinal teammate, Adrian Wilson is someone I wish they'd consider. He was one of the best safeties in the league for about 8 straight years

 

[TheChamps990411]

Just had this conversation about Stanton with a friend a couple weeks ago. Doubt he makes it barring a resurgence in the next couple years. Lost too many games when he was a top tier power hitter (probably 2+ seasons worth), and is not aging well. Pretty much average hitting since he turned 32 plus no longer playing in the field, so he's not doing much to help his case at this point.

He was a pretty iconic power hitter in his prime and I do think he would have made it if he was healthy throughout his 20s, but them's the breaks.

Hes 84 homeruns from 500. If he gets there hes in.

 

[August_West]

Cher?
Iron Maiden?
Jethro Tull?

 

[TheChamps990411]

Jacob deGrom is an interesting one. Perhaps the best pitcher ever over a two season span and had a good first several years but since his second cy young injuries derailed his career. I dont think he gets in.

 

[Teddie1056]

My "on the fence" Hall of Famers:

Baseball:
1. Mike Trout: Started off historically, but injuries have really slowed him down. I think he makes it because he was the best player for a 3-5 year period. Lack of any postseason success hurts him though.
2. Freddie Freeman: Consistently excellent player, but never the best player. Seems to be getting better with age (he's 34). Playing with the other great players on the Dodgers will help him. I'm confident he makes the HOF.
3. Jacob deGrom: As a Mets fan, I think he makes it based on his pure dominance for a 2-3 year period. A bit of a Sandy Koufax scenario (where he shined so bright for a short time), but the overall statistics may hurt his resume.

Basketball:
1. Paul George: Overall career is really really good. Was also an excellent defensive player. Lack of postseason success does hurt.
2. Draymond Green: Obviously his statistics aren't impressive and his on-court indiscretions are a factor too, but he has multiple championships, and was/is an excellent defensive player.
3. DeMar Derozan: Immediately his name doesn't strike me as a HOF player, but when looking at his career, it's quite excellent. He's so consistent and reliable (not many injuries). If John Wall is a borderline HOF'er, then I think Derozan should be talked about.

Football: Is such a hard sport to evaluate, as it isn't as stat oriented (compared to the other major sports)

1. Mike Trout is in 100%. He could retire today and still be in. He will go first ballot.
2. Freddie Freeman is also almost assuredly a Hall of Famer. In a few days he will pass Olerud in WAR, and there will be no eligible player above him that didn't take steroids that isn't in the Hall of Fame other than Keith Hernandez, who should be in the Hall. By Jaws, he's already in. First Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com
3. I don't think deGrom makes it unless he has a few more decent years, at least to show some sort of longevity.

Paul George, Dray, and DeMar are all HoFers. Basketball HoF is a joke.

 

[Teddie1056]

Stanton won't sniff the HOF, probably drops off first ballot. Agree on Horford being a lock since it's not just NBA

Off the top of my head:

MLB - Chris Sale
NHL - Erik Karlsson
NBA - John Wall
NFL - Mike Evans

No way Stanton drops first ballot. He's probably going to end up with 500HR. If he has a signature playoff moment en route to a ring, I'd say he at least lasts the full eligibility, probably getting in.

 

[T-Squared]

After the passing of a legit hall of famer (RIP Larry Allen)
I got to thinking about current players, across the major sports, who are as "on the fence" as you can get.

Here are my 3 (I don't really know hockey)
1. Giancarlo Stanton
2. Russell Wilson
3. Al Horford

Are these guys hall of famers???
(In my opinion, only Russ will make it)

You can respond to mine, or post some "on the fencers" of your own. Try to keep it to active players, just for ease of process.

1. No
2. No
3. No

It’s the Hall of Excellent, not the Hall of Pretty Good.

 

[Teddie1056]

Trout has a bWAR around 86. He's more than a mere lock. Other locks are Verlander, Kershaw, Scherzer, and Betts. I'd probably put Arenado and Machado in the very, very likely HoF category.

Paul Goldschmidt is one I'd be concerned about if he doesn't come back to being at least decent. Coming into this season he was on a HoF trajectory, but ooff... hasn't been good this year. He's two years older than Freeman, but has one fewer season of experience. Freeman could pass him next year, in which case I'd think Freeman would probably get in (maybe not on first ballot) while Goldschmidt waits awhile.

Lindor and Correa will be interesting cases. Both in mid-40s in bWAR and should have another 5-6 years of above-average production. I think it'll be a close call for both. Jose Altuve is another borderline guy, but as a 2b, might have a shot if he can have 2-3 more decent years.

In hockey, Erik Staal's HoF case will be interesting. I don't think he's playing this year, but he hasn't retired. If he's done, he's pretty borderline. Just over 1000 pts. 1 AS, 1 Cup.

This is the tier list for baseball

Tier 1: First Ballot Locks
1. Mike Trout
2. Justin Verlander
3. Clayton Kershaw
4. Max Scherzer

Tier 2: Probably 1st Ballot
1. Mookie Betts
2. Freddie Freeman
3. Aaron Judge
4. Shohei Ohtani
5. Bryce Harper
6. Gerrit Cole
7. Juan Soto
8. Ronald Acuna Jr.

Tier 3: Probably HoF
1. Joey Votto
2. Paul Goldschmidt
3. Nolan Arenado
4. Manny Machado
5. Jose Altuve
6. Jose Ramirez
7. Cory Seager
8. Jose Ramirez

Tier 4: Borderline HoF/Has work to do
1. Jacob deGrom
2. Andrew McCutchen
3. Chris Sale
4. Giancarlo Stanton
5. Marcus Semien
6. Francisco Lindor
7. Christian Yelich
8. Alex Bregman
9. J.T. Realmuto
10. Trea Turner

 

[Scottzer]

Jacob deGrom is an interesting one. Perhaps the best pitcher ever over a two season span and had a good first several years but since his second cy young injuries derailed his career. I dont think he gets in.I

He was good, but closer to Guidry than even Pedro. (Keep in mind Guidry was throwing a lot more innings during his best two year stretch).

 

[JayKoz]

Kyrie Irving?
Dak Prescott?

Going to say no barring a championship.

I’m a Cowboys fan (unfortunately) and the Dak mention literally made me laugh out loud.

Absolutely not.

RIP Larry. This news today sucked.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

After the passing of a legit hall of famer (RIP Larry Allen)
I got to thinking about current players, across the major sports, who are as "on the fence" as you can get.

Here are my 3 (I don't really know hockey)
1. Giancarlo Stanton
2. Russell Wilson
3. Al Horford

Are these guys hall of famers???
(In my opinion, only Russ will make it)

You can respond to mine, or post some "on the fencers" of your own. Try to keep it to active players, just for ease of process.

No
Yes (but it will take several ballots)
If he wins this ring, yes

 

[MilliniumPrince]

My "on the fence" Hall of Famers:

Baseball:
1. Mike Trout: Started off historically, but injuries have really slowed him down. I think he makes it because he was the best player for a 3-5 year period. Lack of any postseason success hurts him though.
2. Freddie Freeman: Consistently excellent player, but never the best player. Seems to be getting better with age (he's 34). Playing with the other great players on the Dodgers will help him. I'm confident he makes the HOF.
3. Jacob deGrom: As a Mets fan, I think he makes it based on his pure dominance for a 2-3 year period. A bit of a Sandy Koufax scenario (where he shined so bright for a short time), but the overall statistics may hurt his resume.

Basketball:
1. Paul George: Overall career is really really good. Was also an excellent defensive player. Lack of postseason success does hurt.
2. Draymond Green: Obviously his statistics aren't impressive and his on-court indiscretions are a factor too, but he has multiple championships, and was/is an excellent defensive player.
3. DeMar Derozan: Immediately his name doesn't strike me as a HOF player, but when looking at his career, it's quite excellent. He's so consistent and reliable (not many injuries). If John Wall is a borderline HOF'er, then I think Derozan should be talked about.

Football: Is such a hard sport to evaluate, as it isn't as stat oriented (compared to the other major sports)

-There is no fence for Trout. Marches in on the first ballot.
-Good question with Freeman
-Sadly, deGrom wasted his prime with a bad organization. He was special!

-PG will make it because everyone makes the Basketball HOF
-Draymond is in
-don't see it

 

[HooperScooper]

But, I think the last 5 years of injuries and malcontent in Boston will cost him the HoF.

Malcontent? He was constantly injured, but he wasn't a malcontent. Where did you get that from?

 

[Lefty2one]

The Basketball HOF has a pretty low bar. Paul George, Kyrie, and Draymond are locks. Horford, I don't see happening but it wouldn't shock me.

Kevin Love is an interesting case.

 

[Tenspro2002]

My "on the fence" Hall of Famers:

Baseball:
1. Mike Trout: Started off historically, but injuries have really slowed him down. I think he makes it because he was the best player for a 3-5 year period. Lack of any postseason success hurts him though.
2. Freddie Freeman: Consistently excellent player, but never the best player. Seems to be getting better with age (he's 34). Playing with the other great players on the Dodgers will help him. I'm confident he makes the HOF.
3. Jacob deGrom: As a Mets fan, I think he makes it based on his pure dominance for a 2-3 year period. A bit of a Sandy Koufax scenario (where he shined so bright for a short time), but the overall statistics may hurt his resume.

Basketball:
1. Paul George: Overall career is really really good. Was also an excellent defensive player. Lack of postseason success does hurt.
2. Draymond Green: Obviously his statistics aren't impressive and his on-court indiscretions are a factor too, but he has multiple championships, and was/is an excellent defensive player.
3. DeMar Derozan: Immediately his name doesn't strike me as a HOF player, but when looking at his career, it's quite excellent. He's so consistent and reliable (not many injuries). If John Wall is a borderline HOF'er, then I think Derozan should be talked about.

Football: Is such a hard sport to evaluate, as it isn't as stat oriented (compared to the other major sports)

dawg, there is nothing "on the fence" about Mike Trout.

He could have been hit by a bus 4 years ago and would be a first ballot lock as the defining player of his era, including 3 MVP and like 80 WAR. Nobody cares about the postseason when you have that much black on your b-ref page.

 

[IndyLives]

Mookie Betts - already in.

Rafael Devers - has a good path to 500 HRs. Has a Ring. Clutch in playoffs. Will eventually get in.

Xander Boegarts - No.

Wes Welker - Deserves to be in. Invented the slot receiver. Gave up his body. 1 ill-timed dropped ball should not keep him out.

Julien Edelman - super clutch with Brady. Yes.

 

[nomar]

Jacob deGrom is an interesting one. Perhaps the best pitcher ever over a two season span and had a good first several years but since his second cy young injuries derailed his career. I dont think he gets in.

Check out Pedro’s stats from 1999-2000, in the heart of the steroids era, and tell me if you think you can still say “perhaps.”

Just a couple nuggets to whet your appetite: 1.39 FIP (!!!) and 13.2 K/9 in 1999 and a 0.737 WHIP (!!!) in 2000. Against guys with heads the size of planets.

 

[bfs3]

1. Mike Trout is in 100%. He could retire today and still be in. He will go first ballot.
2. Freddie Freeman is also almost assuredly a Hall of Famer. In a few days he will pass Olerud in WAR, and there will be no eligible player above him that didn't take steroids that isn't in the Hall of Fame other than Keith Hernandez, who should be in the Hall. By Jaws, he's already in. First Base JAWS Leaders | Baseball-Reference.com
3. I don't think deGrom makes it unless he has a few more decent years, at least to show some sort of longevity.

Paul George, Dray, and DeMar are all HoFers. Basketball HoF is a joke.

I agree on Freeman but I live in Atlanta where he is still probably one of the most beloved players. I know off the field stuff can keep a guy out but the opposite is true with Freeman. He is given a lot of credit as being the leader on the Braves World Series team.

 

[boog204]

My "on the fence" Hall of Famers:

Baseball:
1. Mike Trout: Started off historically, but injuries have really slowed him down. I think he makes it because he was the best player for a 3-5 year period. Lack of any postseason success hurts him though.
2. Freddie Freeman: Consistently excellent player, but never the best player. Seems to be getting better with age (he's 34). Playing with the other great players on the Dodgers will help him. I'm confident he makes the HOF.
3. Jacob deGrom: As a Mets fan, I think he makes it based on his pure dominance for a 2-3 year period. A bit of a Sandy Koufax scenario (where he shined so bright for a short time), but the overall statistics may hurt his resume.

Basketball:
1. Paul George: Overall career is really really good. Was also an excellent defensive player. Lack of postseason success does hurt.
2. Draymond Green: Obviously his statistics aren't impressive and his on-court indiscretions are a factor too, but he has multiple championships, and was/is an excellent defensive player.
3. DeMar Derozan: Immediately his name doesn't strike me as a HOF player, but when looking at his career, it's quite excellent. He's so consistent and reliable (not many injuries). If John Wall is a borderline HOF'er, then I think Derozan should be talked about.

Football: Is such a hard sport to evaluate, as it isn't as stat oriented (compared to the other major sports)

Trout is a no-brainer. Trout's injuries have tainted a potentially legendary career. But even as is, he'll be around 500hrs and 7 top two finishes in the MVP when he retires.

Freeman won't be a first ballot guy. But I think the numbers, all-around play, and the fact that he is such a good guy will get him in.

deGrom has two cy youngs and as mentioned was Koufax esque for a 3-4 year period of time. Wins for SP have become highly devalued so his "counting" numbers will be based on a sub 1 whip which is historically incredible --just looked it up, literally 2nd best in the history of baseball--.

Greinke should get in eventually

Giancarlo will be interesting. 500hrs was always the benchmark and we'll most likely get there. He could be the first to get to that number and have a tough time getting in.

There's a few likely/no doubt other HOFs still active I think... Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw

 

[boog204]

Baseball: Pete Rose, Pete Rose, Pete Rose.

Obviously hall of fame worthy. But I'll say he may be the most overrated hof-caliber player ever. His last 7-10 years were totally mediocre compiling singles to get the hit record.

Cher?
Iron Maiden?
Jethro Tull?

King Crimson!?!?!??!

 

[boog204]

when did a little above average qualify for HOF. The names ur throwing out are for the most part meh!! Only one is Trout who is a great player. Comparing DeGrom to Koufax is laughable at best. Sandy was one of top 5 EVER. Please do not denigrate him. I’ve been around too long. HOF should be WAY ABOVE AVERAGE.

deGrom has the second lowest whip in the history of baseball. Granted, he has thrown less innings than many on the list. But in the history of baseball. And WAR is not everyone's thing, but his WAR is already higher than Koufax's with 1000 IPs less. I am not saying he is better than Koufax but the comp is there.

 

[Jaydumo20]

Mookie Betts - already in.

Rafael Devers - has a good path to 500 HRs. Has a Ring. Clutch in playoffs. Will eventually get in.

Xander Boegarts - No.

Wes Welker - Deserves to be in. Invented the slot receiver. Gave up his body. 1 ill-timed dropped ball should not keep him out.

Julien Edelman - super clutch with Brady. Yes.

I agree with most of this. I'm not sure about the Devers thing though. Unless he hits 30 or more Homer's in each of the next 10 seasons he doesn't come close to 500 HR. He needs to have 3 or 4 more all- star caliber years to come close to 300 and he's already in his 8th season.
I think his value is a bit inflated because he's been the only Red Sox star since Betts left.
He is a great player, and killing it this year, but I think he needs to do a lot more.

 

[Deepster]

deGrom is not a HOFer right now and that's coming from someone who's seen probably 90%+ of his innings pitched.

He wasn't durable enough.
He couldn't be counted on to carry a team through a season.
He doesn't have a memorable postseason run.
He really doesn't even have a keynote "major league" moment (Kerry Wood's 20k's, Pedro's 19k, 1 hit game at Yankee Stadium, etc).

The Mets clearly made the right move not signing him to a long term deal (one of their only good moves) and I just cannot see him coming back to have a special ending to his career like a Verlander. For his frame and the torque he generates, the human arm cannot withstand what he does to it.

To be honest? I'd almost like to see him try to come back like Eckersley and close.

 

[dennismenace]

Stanton won't sniff the HOF, probably drops off first ballot. Agree on Horford being a lock since it's not just NBA

Off the top of my head:

MLB - Chris Sale
NHL - Erik Karlsson
NBA - John Wall
NFL - Mike Evans

Stanton career stats:

SUMMARY
2024
Career
WAR
0.3
44.2
AB
199
5807
H
46
1500
HR
14
416
BA
.231
.258
R
24
882
RBI
32
1063
SB
0
42

He still has time and finally took some training hints and lost maybe 15 lbs (?) to help him from getting injured so much. I think it was all muscle but he had really become a strikeout machine. Major leaguers are permitted by contract to have their own personal trainer vs team trainer. That can really work to one's detriment
if they are not attuned to the nuances of the sport they are playing. Ironically, he has a reputation of being the hardest worker in the weight room. No one hits the ball harder per stat cast so if he can adapt like say Yaz as the years go by he still has a chance imo.

 

[Tenspro2002]

Trout is a no-brainer. Trout's injuries have tainted a potentially legendary career. But even as is, he'll be around 500hrs and 7 top two finishes in the MVP when he retires.

Freeman won't be a first ballot guy. But I think the numbers, all-around play, and the fact that he is such a good guy will get him in.

deGrom has two cy youngs and as mentioned was Koufax esque for a 3-4 year period of time. Wins for SP have become highly devalued so his "counting" numbers will be based on a sub 1 whip which is historically incredible --just looked it up, literally 2nd best in the history of baseball--.

Greinke should get in eventually

Giancarlo will be interesting. 500hrs was always the benchmark and we'll most likely get there. He could be the first to get to that number and have a tough time getting in.

There's a few likely/no doubt other HOFs still active I think... Verlander, Scherzer, Kershaw

It will actually be interesting how baseball HOF cases are presented, especially for pitchers with counting numbers like wins being devalued.

The case is less straightforward than "300 wins, 3000 strikeouts."

Rate stats matter more -- ERA, WHIP, FIP, K/9 -- but then you have to make an argument about "an impressive rate, for a sufficiently long time" in a way that was easier when you could just use counting stats. How do you quantify "hits/runs denied"? I suppose pitching WAR is supposed to do that, but that's also harder to argue about than counting stats.

 

[nomar]

It will actually be interesting how baseball HOF cases are presented, especially for pitchers with counting numbers like wins being devalued.

The case is less straightforward than "300 wins, 3000 strikeouts."

Rate stats matter more -- ERA, WHIP, FIP, K/9 -- but then you have to make an argument about "an impressive rate, for a sufficiently long time" in a way that was easier when you could just use counting stats. How do you quantify "hits/runs denied"? I suppose pitching WAR is supposed to do that, but that's also harder to argue about than counting stats.

IMO, if a guy comes in and pitches like Steve Nebraska for a season and then his arm falls off, he's not a Hall of Famer even if he was the best pitcher of all time in that one season.

The line has to be drawn somewhere. For a long time, I think Koufax has set the mark for a guy with a short career. The line's been blurred a bit (e.g., Kirby Puckett), but there's still a minimum amount of production that's required in my view.

Boog's arguing that DeGrom's WHIP should get him in. His WHIP is that great because he got hurt (repeatedly) before he could decline. (Pedro's WHIP over 7 years in Boston, in more IP than DeGrom's career IP -- again, in the heart of the steroid era -- is better than DeGrom's career WHIP.) Every time DeGrom came out he threw gas, but he just didn't come out enough. Maybe he'll add a coda to his career -- maybe, as Deep suggests, he could be a closer for a few years a la Smoltz. Still not sure that would be enough but it would help.

This all leads to a bigger discussion about guys throwing too hard and what it's doing to their careers. Certainly, because of injuries, the standard for how long a career needs to be will go down. But 1325 IP for a starter is way too low.

 

[mauconnfan]

Jacob deGrom is an interesting one. Perhaps the best pitcher ever over a two season span and had a good first several years but since his second cy young injuries derailed his career. I dont think he gets in.

No shot. I would compare him somewhat to Mattingly in the fact Donnie was the best hitter in baseball for 5 years and pretty good for a few others but it’s a no for him. So DeGromm has zero chance.

 

[Deepster]

deGrom's average fastball by year (with IP in parentheses). The jump in velo and the dip in innings is so apparent, even a Dove could figure that out.

2014: 94.2 MPH (140.1)
2015: 95.7 MPH (191.0)
2016: 94.0 MPH (148.0)
2017: 95.2 MPH (201.1)
2018: 96.0 MPH (217.0)
2019: 96.9 MPH (204.0)
-------------------------
2020: 98.6 MPH (68.0)
2021: 99.2 MPH (92.0)
2022: 98.9 MPH (64.1)
2023: 98.7 MPH (30.1)
2024: (0)

 

[Edward Sargent]

After the passing of a legit hall of famer (RIP Larry Allen)
I got to thinking about current players, across the major sports, who are as "on the fence" as you can get.

Here are my 3 (I don't really know hockey)
1. Giancarlo Stanton
2. Russell Wilson
3. Al Horford

Are these guys hall of famers???
(In my opinion, only Russ will make it)

You can respond to mine, or post some "on the fencers" of your own. Try to keep it to active players, just for ease of process.

Of those 3 I would say Horford

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Of those 3 I would say Horford

Wilson will get in. Before 2022 his stats were immense. 4th in career passer rating as well.