ACC Did Permanent Damage

[7774]

Yes they did. And other ones have this year. But the haters obsessively fixate on only one school.

A bunch of schools with losing records declined, and a couple schools with coaching changes declined. Your school declined because it wanted to have it's cake and eat it too, people wouldn't let you, so then you got a case of the sadz and started crying.

 

[uconnfan68]

1 > 24. Isn’t that what everybody tells me?

That’s what ND tells their non-football athletes.

 

[Viet Vet]

Notre Dame. Just take your ball and go home. We haven’t cared about you for two generations.

You are no longer relevant.

 

[Kolumbo]

There are two ND threads, one here and one in the Football forum. Maybe we can merge them

Some interesting comments by Dan Wolken

"Athletic directors in other leagues, who learned from Yahoo Sports' Ross Dellenger on Sunday about the memorandum of understanding that grants Notre Dame preferential playoff access, are threatening to freeze them out of future schedules. (Who knows if they’ll follow through. For all its issues, Notre Dame fills stadiums and drives TV ratings.)"

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

The Big 12 is ten years away from being the Mountain West Plus.

How do you figure?

 

[bendm]

The Big 12 is ten years away from being the Mountain West Plus.

And if the ACC is ten years away from being the AAC plus where does that leave UConn? And where did all the good programs in the BIG12 and ACC run off to, the P2?

 

[Fishy]

And if the ACC is ten years away from being the AAC plus where does that leave UConn? And where did all the good programs in the BIG12 and ACC run off to, the P2?

The P2 has no use for any of the B12.

ACC will lose some but they’re in a better spot. They will backfill with B12 teams.

One of them will survive and it won’t be the one anchored in a bunch of cornfields.

 

[Edward Sargent]

The P2 has no use for any of the B12.

ACC will lose some but they’re in a better spot. They will backfill with B12 teams.

One of them will survive and it won’t be the one anchored in a bunch of cornfields.

Interesting take. One point I might make is that only 3 of the 16 Big 12 teams are anchored in cornfields Kansas, K State and Iowa St

 

[superjohn]

Interesting take. One point I might make is that only 3 of the 16 Big 12 teams are anchored in cornfields Kansas, K State and Iowa St

Yep and the Big 10 is the Corn Belt. Many East Coasters are clueless about what they love to call "fly over" country.

 

[DW1361]

Funny how you bring up more practices for young players but not the risk of CJ Carr tearing his ACL or blowing out his Achilles in a meaningless game and destroying their chances for next year too.

Forget Miami. Do you think it was logical for Alabama to leapfrog ND for barely beating a bad Auburn team with a backup QB? And then getting destroyed by Georgia without dropping a single spot? So you’re cool with Ohio State dropping by losing to Indiana by 3 but Alabama not dropping after being blown out? Cool cool. Some folks aren’t using logic and you’re one of them.

I see your point based on polls alone, but in my humble opinion ND was over rated. The final AP poll shows Alabama did drop one spot however. Not that it matters. I think you need to forget Alabama and rethink Miami. Allowing Miami in over ND is BS. ND was higher in the polls and had a higher SOS than Miami. Miami was squeezed in due the ACC title game debacle. Clear as day. Alabama deserves their ranking and played a much tougher schedule that ND. Not sure how you can deny that?

 

[Kolumbo]

Interesting take. One point I might make is that only 3 of the 16 Big 12 teams are anchored in cornfields Kansas, K State and Iowa St

That's the debate and my money is on the Big 12. An exercise. If you could take the best programs from the Big XII and ACC to create a new conference, would it be strong enough to compete with the P2. Say 18 programs. I'd probably take more from the Big XII

It seems like the ACC is shaking and as soon as one brick is removed, pfft

 

[DW1361]

They’re smarter for not playing without their starting WRs, Starting RBs, starting TE, backup QB, and risking an injury to their starting QB in a meaningless game. It’s become apparent to many, maybe not you, that we can have playoffs, we can have bowl games, but we probably can’t have both. It would be insanely stupid to risk your 2026 season on your QB blowing out their ACL or Achilles in an exhibition game with no upside. If they win it won’t win over haters like you. If they lose with a skeleton team you’ll point and say see they didn’t belong anyway. There’s no upside to playing.

Were all those cupcakes ND played during the regular season meaningful? Did ND bring out their second team to play those games? You make ND out to be a bunch of pansies that weigh the benefit of winning a game to the risk of injury. What do these players gain by playing in the CFP that would make the risk of injury okay?

 

[Edward Sargent]

There are two ND threads, one here and one in the Football forum. Maybe we can merge them

Some interesting comments by Dan Wolken

"Athletic directors in other leagues, who learned from Yahoo Sports' Ross Dellenger on Sunday about the memorandum of understanding that grants Notre Dame preferential playoff access, are threatening to freeze them out of future schedules. (Who knows if they’ll follow through. For all its issues, Notre Dame fills stadiums and drives TV ratings.)"

I wouldn't merge them as I started this for a discussion on impact to men's bball.

 

[Edward Sargent]

That's the debate and my money is on the Big 12. An exercise. If you could take the best programs from the Big XII and ACC to create a new conference, would it be strong enough to compete with the P2. Say 18 programs. I'd probably take more from the Big XII

It seems like the ACC is shaking and as soon as one brick is removed, pfft

Are you talking football or basketball?

 

[upstater]

Interesting take. One point I might make is that only 3 of the 16 Big 12 teams are anchored in cornfields Kansas, K State and Iowa St

I think the point is these are not densely populated states with a lot of power.

BTW, half the state of Oklahoma is considered part of the Plains states, and that's the part that Oklahoma State is located in. It's very different than the southwest part of the state. Tulsa is a Plains city.

 

[Kolumbo]

Are you talking football or basketball?

I was talking football because basketball doesn't matter, so we've been told. But we could do basketball too and perhaps get the same result.

 

[Kolumbo]

 

[bendm]

Would love for ND to join the BE but theyd have to really hate the ACC to give up that full media share for whatever BE schools get. Maybe we can appease them with unequal distribution (we really should be doing that anyways) plus a football scheduling agreement with UConn haha

 

[DW1361]

I think at this point ND has only one option. They need to join the P2, ACC or Big12. Why would the P2 top tier schools want to schedule ND to help them get a possible top 12 and auto bid? Better chances for their conferences to get three playoff spots if they don’t aid ND’s SOS. Clemson, Florida State and Miami certainly don’t want to lose a spot to ND. The Big East will not help ND with their CFP problem and although the BE should offer the invite it just isn’t ever going to happen.

 

[Waquoit]

I'll agree to let those simpering wimps back into the Big East as long as they agree to play UConn FB in The Rent.

 

[huskyfan224]

As a heart attack. And it's 3 top 15 wins. Not 4. Get your facts straight or go home.

Let's talk some more about how Alabama didn't lose ground after getting face-planted by UGA last week. Or how they lost to a team that finished 2-6 in the ACC this year?

It's stupid. The ACC messed it all up for being an unserious bunch of buffoons to allow Duke into the title game, so that you could have a decrepit corpse of a blue blood run it back one more time.

Alabama is going to get trucked. ND is probably one of the 4 or 5 best teams in the country.

Make that make sense.

Bama also went to Georgia and won…ND was too busy rough housing the School of the Blind and the United States Postal Service squads. Stop with the hypotheticals about ND, they could’ve scheduled harder opponents, or joined a conference, OR beat Tex AM/Miami.

I love how ND also has that rule next year about finishing top 12 and getting in too, the ultimate “rules for me and not for thee”

I hope teams blackball them and stop scheduling them, which I saw rumblings about.

 

[JVN]

Pitino's thoughts on UConn and ND

Rick Pitino says UConn will ‘keep trying to move to another conference,’ would ‘love’ Notre Dame in Big East

 

[PNolanFan]

I am unclear on antitrust laws. Would schools run a risk of any sort of anti trust lawsuit if they all freeze ND out collectively? That is really the only potential flaw i could see in schools taking collective action here

 

[uconnric]

The only move that makes sense for ND is the B1G. But then they'd have to play a real schedule in football. They really don't have many good options.

 

[CL82]

The only move that makes sense for ND is the B1G. But then they'd have to play a real schedule in football. They really don't have many good options.

Notre Dame will do what it always does. It will weigh its options and court offers from everyone. It won't be reactionary or act out of hurt feelings or bruised egos. Love them or hate them, Notre Dame has been very intelligent about how it has positioned itself in the modern era. As long as they are holding the trump card of their NBC broadcast deal, they are well positioned to do what ever they decide is in their best interest.

For what it's worth, I suspect that the whole "ACC permanently damaged it's relationship with ND" petulance is predominantly aimed at building a record so that ND has can argue that the conference be breached its duties to Notre Dame, which would be a basis to eliminate or reduce exit fees, if and when Notre Dame chooses to leave the conference. I don't know if you can read much more from it than that except, possibly, that it is positioning itself to leave if the ACC loses other major players.