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ACC Did Permanent Damage

IMO ND’s gripes are legit. The CFP committee created a false narrative that it was ND or Miami. That is nonsense. Alabama lost by 2 TDs to a FSU team that went on to finish 2-6 in the ACC, and they got freakin pants’d by UGA in the SEC title game.

My guess is the ACC realized they needed to go into attack mode against ND (to feed the false narrative the CFP committee was providing in that CFP propaganda hour it ran on ESPN the last month of the season), because in no small part they realized their conference championship game tiebreaker system would allow for a FIVE LOSS Duke team to play for all the marbles. That’s just bad leadership, vision, covering your assets, whatever you want to call it. Miami should’ve been in that title game to punt UVA into the sun, and then none of this is an issue.
 
What was the tiebreaker process between the 6-2 teams? Was it common record and then??? I can see using head to head with 2 teams and ranking with 3 or more.
 
The real "what you sow so shall you reap" in all of this are the Conference Commissioners, University Presidents and Chancellors, and TV networks who prioritized short and medium term dollar signs over tradition, rivalries and longer term stability and a more level playing field for a much larger group of universities.

Obviously it was in the ACC's best interest to have Miami in their conference championship game... not a 7-5 Duke. But these oversized conferences mean that you don't get everyone playing each other, so some arbitrary set of rules has to be created to decide on who plays in the conference championship game if there is a tie.

Same goes for the SEC. Alabama was awarded the bid over Mississippi and Texas A&M due to "in-conference" strength of schedule. Ok. Whatever. Apparently that ass whooping at Florida St., who ended up 2-6/5-7 in the mighty ACC didn't mean anything. At all.

RIIIIIIGHT. 😵‍💫

They are succeeding in slowly but surely ruining the integrity of the sport.
 
Stinger92860 said:
What was the tiebreaker process between the 6-2 teams? Was it common record and then??? I can see using head to head with 2 teams and ranking with 3 or more.
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From a quick Google search:

"Duke football was awarded the second spot in the recent ACC Championship game due to the combined win percentage of their conference opponents, the fifth criterion used in the ACC's tiebreaker rules."

Pretty close to what the SEC did. Arbitrary, and stupid when you realize that both Duke and Alabama had out of conference losses that if taken into account would have knocked them out of their respective championship games. Which they should have. But none of that apparently matters.
 
College football is a joke. What is the point of the regular season? The playoffs are a mess. How can a single gender sport with just 12 games (only 6 at home) drive all of college conference realignment? I'm definitely biased, but you can make the case objectively that college basketball is a vastly superior product. I think it's only a matter of time before viewership and attendance for college football drop off over time. Then what?
 
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Today’s news is that the ND AD says the ACC engaged in an anti ND social media campaign- hmm
 
Gurleyman said:
The tv money helps secure charter flights to everything - which takes a lot of that issue away. Bus picks you up at Gampel, drives you right onto the tarmac, you hop off the bus and onto a comfortable plane, and another bus picks you up on the other tarmac. All those airport hassles are eliminated and cuts travel time in half.
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What about the 30 other D1 sports. I assume they follow to be within same conference. Where’s their TV money?
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
Notre Dame not playing in a bowl game shows a total lack of respect for the game of college football.... Booohooo.
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Wah, wah, wah, I’m going to sit at home and feel sorry for my self when everyone else is out having fun playing ball!
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The ACC has sucked for a while, and this, the ACC’s best season since 2018 or so, puts the league at 4th best.

You are on to something here.🤣
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It is going through a major changing of the guard among coaches. 3 hall of famers retired and 2 other really good ones did. Roy, K, Boeheim, Bennett won what ? 10 championships or there bouts. Then add Laranega who was also very good. All retired within a 3 year period. That is a lot of talent to replace and there are bound to be steps back. As any UConn fan or any Villanova fan knows it is tricky to replace a Hall of Famehead coach. Just because someone worked for or played for that coach doesn’t mean he is an equal. The ACC is gradually figuring it out.
 
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RJScootin said:
What about the 30 other D1 sports. I assume they follow to be within same conference. Where’s their TV money?
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We only have 20 sports, and men’s and women’s hockey have their own leagues. So does rowing. Football doesn’t have one. Some sports (XC, Golf, Track, Swim) don’t really have conference schedules - just one conference championship at the end. And if we hypothetically went to the Big 12, they don’t sponsor field hockey, lax and men’s soccer, so we would have to be independent or associate members of another league.

So it’s just a few sports that would be playing a full regular season league schedule in far off places - and The Big East also already involves trips to Nebraska, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio. So we are already flying a lot. And a 4-hour charter flight isn’t much different than a 4-hour bus ride to Seton Hall. You just get out of your seat twice.
 
Stinger92860 said:
What was the tiebreaker process between the 6-2 teams? Was it common record and then??? I can see using head to head with 2 teams and ranking with 3 or more.
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LStudfellow said:
From a quick Google search:

"Duke football was awarded the second spot in the recent ACC Championship game due to the combined win percentage of their conference opponents, the fifth criterion used in the ACC's tiebreaker rules."

Pretty close to what the SEC did. Arbitrary, and stupid when you realize that both Duke and Alabama had out of conference losses that if taken into account would have knocked them out of their respective championship games. Which they should have. But none of that apparently matters.
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What's particularly wonky about the ACC's tiebreaker system is their conference season is only 8 games. There are 17 teams in the ACC.

So, the chances of a bad Duke team sneaking through is quite high. It makes the ACC appear to be an unserious about anything conference.
 
EnochRoot said:
IMO ND’s gripes are legit. The CFP committee created a false narrative that it was ND or Miami. That is nonsense. Alabama lost by 2 TDs to a FSU team that went on to finish 2-6 in the ACC, and they got freakin pants’d by UGA in the SEC title game.

My guess is the ACC realized they needed to go into attack mode against ND (to feed the false narrative the CFP committee was providing in that CFP propaganda hour it ran on ESPN the last month of the season), because in no small part they realized their conference championship game tiebreaker system would allow for a FIVE LOSS Duke team to play for all the marbles. That’s just bad leadership, vision, covering your assets, whatever you want to call it. Miami should’ve been in that title game to punt UVA into the sun, and then none of this is an issue.
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Alabama also had 4 top 15 wins. How many did Notre Dame have? Oh, zero?

You can’t be serious
 
How Sway?! said:
Those are the terms they agreed to in order to keep their independence. Additionally, the reason why the 4 team playoff was so reviled was because it was always the same 4-6 teams. Now that we have non traditional schools being involved, we are going to complain little poor ND was left out?
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You’d rather see Tulane in there as opposed to ND as a college football fan? Stop. I Still don’t understand why Tulane and James Madison both got in —waiting for an explanation. I’m ok with 1. But both in is beyond dumb. And if I’m Texas, why would I ever schedule an out of conference matchup at Ohio State in September? Why not stay in your conference lane and run through the schedule at 11-2? Why even risk it if you’re not gonna get rewarded , actually penalized with a loss for losing that game? And to your other point, the reason why the playoffs went from four teams to 12 was primarily because they fans wanted to open it up a little more to the next tier of top teams not really because of the same four teams getting In. Anyways, let’s get ready for Uconn Hoops in 10 minutes. Let’s go!!!
 
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uconngb said:
Alabama also had 4 top 15 wins. How many did Notre Dame have? Oh, zero?

You can’t be serious
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As a heart attack. And it's 3 top 15 wins. Not 4. Get your facts straight or go home.

Let's talk some more about how Alabama didn't lose ground after getting face-planted by UGA last week. Or how they lost to a team that finished 2-6 in the ACC this year?

It's stupid. The ACC messed it all up for being an unserious bunch of buffoons to allow Duke into the title game, so that you could have a decrepit corpse of a blue blood run it back one more time.

Alabama is going to get trucked. ND is probably one of the 4 or 5 best teams in the country.

Make that make sense.
 
EnochRoot said:
As a heart attack. And it's 3 top 15 wins. Not 4. Get your facts straight or go home.

Let's talk some more about how Alabama didn't lose ground after getting face-planted by UGA last week. Or how they lost to a team that finished 2-6 in the ACC this year?

It's stupid. The ACC messed it all up for being an unserious bunch of buffoons to allow Duke into the title game, so that you could have a decrepit corpse of a blue blood run it back one more time.

Alabama is going to get trucked. ND is probably one of the 4 or 5 best teams in the country.

Make that make sense.
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ND best wins were @ home to USC and Pitt.

Not sure how that makes them one of the best teams in the country.

I'd go more in depth but it's just stupid that we have to argue about a 12th seed that was going to get pummeled in the first round anyways.
 
JB75 said:
You’d rather see Tulane in there as opposed to ND as a college football fan? Stop. I Still don’t understand why Tulane and James Madison both got in —waiting for an explanation. I’m ok with 1. But both in is beyond dumb. And if I’m Texas, why would I ever schedule an out of conference matchup at Ohio State in September? Why not stay in your conference lane and run through the schedule at 11-2? Why even risk it if you’re not gonna get rewarded , actually penalized with a loss for losing that game? And to your other point, the reason why the playoffs went from four teams to 12 was primarily because they fans wanted to open it up a little more to the next tier of top teams not really because of the same four teams getting In. Anyways, let’s get ready for Uconn Hoops in 10 minutes. Let’s go!!!
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They got in because both deserved to get in over the ACC conference winner Duke. They were among 5 highest rated conference winners, which is the rule. I’m not going to miss watching Notre Dame at all because had their chance and blew it with two early season losses & then didn’t play a tough enough schedule after their losses.
I hope they always give at least one automatic slot to a G5 conference winner. Are JMU & Tulane among the top 12? - of course not. But the NCAA BB tourney doesn’t have the best 64+ teams in the country either. Mid & low Di1 conference winners get automatic bids & it creates excitement for fans in those conferences. The public loves the NCAA BB tourney.
 
How Sway?! said:
Wonder what did more permanent damage, the ACC backing up their full time member or Notre Dame throwing a tantrum and claiming bowl games are beneath them...
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Or you know…maybe having a bunch of players declaring for the NFL, a bunch of players rehabbing injuries, a few players hitting the portal, and starting their B or C team in a meaningless bowl game with no upside and only downside like getting their starting QB into next season had something to do with it.
 
HooperScooper said:
ND is taking this CFP snub pretty hard. Well at least they aren't in a conference and can keep all their own media money.
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How did being in a conference work out for Duke or BYU? It sure worked great for Alabama though.
 
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nomar said:
This is a non sequitur (he was saying the relationship between ND and the ACC was damaged by the conference favoring Miami over ND—zero relation to basketball) and completely irrelevant vis-a-vis UConn if it were to become a full member.

Our basketball program would be fine in the ACC. The concern with the ACC is its long term viability.
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Not favoring Miami over ND. Actively bashing ND even though they’re an ACC member in 24 sports.
 
Methalius said:
I'm a huge Notre Dame Football fan. My grandfather was a huge fan starting around 1915-1920 until his death and I was indoctrinated into the fold before I could speak. I still root for them. They are MY team despite being a UCONN Alum however, Notre Dame has ZERO right to complain. They can't have their cake and eat it too. They are a member of the ACC for all sports except for Football because ND has their own Football network and they didn't think that it makes sense for them to join a conference when they can do their own thing and make hundreds of millions of dollars in doing so. It is their right to make decisions in their own best interest but then they can't go and cry when a School who is a FULL member is promoted to go to the BCS and ND is not. They could join pretty much any conference that they want but they don't because they thought because they are Notre Dame they will just automatically be invited every year because of who they are. It doesn't work that way. I thought Notre Dame had done enough to get in but obviously the decision makers made their decision. Notre Dame is stomping their feet like a petulant child because they didn't get their way. They need to look in the mirror if they want to point the finger at anyone.
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They were actively blackballed by the Big 10 because they’re a Catholic school. They tried getting in MULTIPLE TIMES. People don’t know their history and WHY independence was Ian’s is important to them.
 
EnochRoot said:
What's particularly wonky about the ACC's tiebreaker system is their conference season is only 8 games. There are 17 teams in the ACC.

So, the chances of a bad Duke team sneaking through is quite high. It makes the ACC appear to be an unserious about anything conference.
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They should use the playoff standings or the polls as the tie breaker. Also, if you look it up, Virginia’s loss to NC State didn’t count as a conference game. Virginia lost to NC State and Wake Forest, but only have 1 conference loss in the standings. The schools apparently mutually agreed to not have that game count as a conference game beforehand. That’s like UConn and St John’s playing and not having the game count in the Big East standings. It’s not a serious conference.
 
TheHorde said:
Or you know…maybe having a bunch of players declaring for the NFL, a bunch of players rehabbing injuries, a few players hitting the portal, and starting their B or C team in a meaningless bowl game with no upside and only downside like getting their starting QB into next season had something to do with it.
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Go back to the ND board
JB75 said:
You’d rather see Tulane in there as opposed to ND as a college football fan? Stop. I Still don’t understand why Tulane and James Madison both got in —waiting for an explanation. I’m ok with 1. But both in is beyond dumb. And if I’m Texas, why would I ever schedule an out of conference matchup at Ohio State in September? Why not stay in your conference lane and run through the schedule at 11-2? Why even risk it if you’re not gonna get rewarded , actually penalized with a loss for losing that game? And to your other point, the reason why the playoffs went from four teams to 12 was primarily because they fans wanted to open it up a little more to the next tier of top teams not really because of the same four teams getting In. Anyways, let’s get ready for Uconn Hoops in 10 minutes. Let’s go!!!
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Youre probably one of those people that would prefer a 48 P4 invitational for march madness.
 
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