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ACC Did Permanent Damage

CL82 said:
Notre Dame will do what it always does. It will weigh its options and court offers from everyone. It won't be reactionary or act out of hurt feelings or bruised egos. Love them or hate them, Notre Dame has been very intelligent about how it has positioned itself in the modern era. As long as they are holding the trump card of their NBC broadcast deal, they are well positioned to do what ever they decide is in their best interest.

For what it's worth, I suspect that the whole "ACC permanently damaged it's relationship with ND" petulance is predominantly aimed at building a record so that ND has can argue that the conference be breached its duties to Notre Dame, which would be a basis to eliminate or reduce exit fees, if and when Notre Dame chooses to leave the conference. I don't know if you can read much more from it than that except, possibly, that it is positioning itself to leave if the ACC loses other major players.
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I think that would be pretty tough hill to climb. Especially if the "favoritism" shown is confined to their football program, which is non-participatory in the ACC.
 
prankster said:
I think that would be pretty tough hill to climb. Especially if the "favoritism" shown is confined to their football program, which is non-participatory in the ACC.
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It's been a while since I looked at it, but there are football related provisions in the ND/ACC agreement. For example, the agreement that if indeed joins an FBS football contract, it has to be the ACC. I also think the agreement references the scheduling agreement in football.

The notion that ND isn't a football member and therefore the ACC owes no duty to them conflicts with the notion that Notre Dame is bound by the agreement to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference. I don't think the ACC can have it both ways.
 
CL82 said:
It's been a while since I looked at it, but there are football related provisions in the ND/ACC agreement. For example, the agreement that if indeed joins an FBS football contract, it has to be the ACC. I also think the agreement references the scheduling agreement in football.

The notion that ND isn't a football member and therefore the ACC owes no duty to them conflicts with the notion that Notre Dame is bound by the agreement to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference. I don't think the ACC can have it both ways.
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Why not? ND does.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Why not? ND does.
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Yes! You are indeed correct. That provision may bind future actions by ND, but it is by no means transitive under current contract conditions.

Both ND and the ACC are free to act in their separate self interests regarding football unless and until ND football begins to participate under the ACC conference affiliation.
 
CL82 said:
It's been a while since I looked at it, but there are football related provisions in the ND/ACC agreement. For example, the agreement that if indeed joins an FBS football contract, it has to be the ACC. I also think the agreement references the scheduling agreement in football.

The notion that ND isn't a football member and therefore the ACC owes no duty to them conflicts with the notion that Notre Dame is bound by the agreement to join the ACC if they decide to join a conference. I don't think the ACC can have it both ways.
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The agreement is that while ND is affiliated with the ACC if it were to join a conference it has to be the ACC. But, if it exits the ACC (by writing a check), then it's free to go to any conference obviously.
 
prankster said:
I think that would be pretty tough hill to climb. Especially if the "favoritism" shown is confined to their football program, which is non-participatory in the ACC.
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While they're not completely a member for football, their deal with the ACC for having their other sports is they have to play 6 ACC teams in football every season. Which is why they played that trash schedule (because unfortunately for them the ACC stinks in football). Obviously they don't share any of their football revenues with the ACC though.
 
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How can a school get a guarantee to be in any playoff format if they have a particular ranking?

Can UConn men/woman ask for the same treatment?
 
HooperScooper said:
While they're not completely a member for football, their deal with the ACC for having their other sports is they have to play 6 ACC teams in football every season. Which is why they played that trash schedule (because unfortunately for them the ACC stinks in football). Obviously they don't share any of their football revenues with the ACC though.
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And with that being true, how in the heck do they get rated in the top 12? I think with their sweet deal there will be a lot more scrutiny on how they are getting their votes.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
The agreement is that while ND is affiliated with the ACC if it were to join a conference it has to be the ACC. But, if it exits the ACC (by writing a check), then it's free to go to any conference obviously.
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Are you sure? That's contrary to my understanding.
 
HooperScooper said:
While they're not completely a member for football, their deal with the ACC for having their other sports is they have to play 6 ACC teams in football every season. Which is why they played that trash schedule (because unfortunately for them the ACC stinks in football). Obviously they don't share any of their football revenues with the ACC though.
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Nor does the ACC share any football revenues with ND. Which is why that fiscal dislocation between ACC and ND, especially pertaining to bowl revenues, becomes a no tort issue.

There may be hurt feelings, feelings of "betrayal", etc. But that is all they are.

If after murdering 6 ACC teams some other season, how much loyalty would ND owe the ACC, as it's top performing team was in consideration for that last playoff spot?
 
CL82 said:
Are you sure? That's contrary to my understanding.
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Pretty sure all they have to do is write a check to pull out their non-FB sports and to end the FB arrangement; then they're free to move on.
 
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Notre Dame got what they wanted. Publicity and an agreement that if they finish in the top 12 they are in the CFP regardless of what else happens.
 
Edward Sargent said:
So says the ND AD! Wow how the mighty have been taken down. For those who think we should join the ACC think twice about what might happen to both our bball programs. Never mind football
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All major conference re-alignment and bowl format fiascos began with the elitist cowardice of BC in the early 2000s.
 
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bendm said:
Would love for ND to join the BE but theyd have to really hate the ACC to give up that full media share for whatever BE schools get. Maybe we can appease them with unequal distribution (we really should be doing that anyways) plus a football scheduling agreement with UConn haha
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Really?
You think UConn is going to let ND come in and demand more money than UConn? For non FB?
So essentially, UConn MBB and WBB takes a cut?

In what world is that in UConn’s interest? Or does that make sense unless you are a ND fan?
 
HW611 said:
CFP are dumb and has watered down the sport.

The regular season doesn't mean much now and the thing that gets the most attention is a damn 12 seed snub.

During any normal time Indiana beating OSU for the Big Ten championship would've been an all-time moment. Now it doesn't matter because OSU still gets another crack at winning the national title anyways. Not only that, the Heisman race sucks.

College sports has just been in the gutter.
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College football and in particular big 10 and sec have pretty much ruined every other college sport with their football money grab. At this point I wish they would just get rid of conferences all together and have each team schedule a combo of local matchups, rivalry and a some national matches
 
huskyfan224 said:
Bama also went to Georgia and won…ND was too busy rough housing the School of the Blind and the United States Postal Service squads. Stop with the hypotheticals about ND, they could’ve scheduled harder opponents, or joined a conference, OR beat Tex AM/Miami.

I love how ND also has that rule next year about finishing top 12 and getting in too, the ultimate “rules for me and not for thee”

I hope teams blackball them and stop scheduling them, which I saw rumblings about.

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What happened to people who write for a living turning “dominant” into “dominate”?
 
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uconnyankee said:
Best scenario, and zero chance of happening is ND joining ACC for all sports. Does that keep FSU, Clemson and UNC from bolting?
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They're running the numbers for a departure on July 1, 2030. The announcement could come sooner.
 
uconnyankee said:
Really?
You think UConn is going to let ND come in and demand more money than UConn? For non FB?
So essentially, UConn MBB and WBB takes a cut?

In what world is that in UConn’s interest? Or does that make sense unless you are a ND fan?
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No UConn would be making the most since it would be based on bball…but ND would be getting a bigger share than DePaul and PC and Butler at least
 
SportsFan88 said:
ND IS NOT ONE OF THE 4 or 5 BEST TEAMS IN THE SPORT, THE 2 highest ranked teams they played, they lost to, their schedule was HORRIBLE, and bama could have 2, 1 or 3 top 15 wins, ITS STILL MORE THAN WHAT ND HAD
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How bout that Fla. St. game. Preseason matchup?
 
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