ACC Big East merger

[CL82]

Not sure about Notre Dame because it might get partial money for football or just some kick back just because they're Notre Dame... Let's just do the per school math for the ACC - they bring in about 480m per year divided by 16 schools (I'll be nice and divide by 16 instead of 17 due to SMU getting zero), so that's 6m per school (assumes 20% for Olympic sports/80% for football).

Notre Dame, a member in all sports but football, received $22.1 million.

 

[buddy]

And unfortunately the coaching hires were PP, BD, and RE2. It's one thing to strike out three times in a row and we did it in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings while being down by multiple runs... Or, punt, punt, fumble in the 4th quarter down 10 points. We need a hail Mary followed by an on sides kick.

Or tax ESPN and the amount that ACC schools are getting from them goes to UConn.

 

[Patman]

Or tax ESPN and the amount that ACC schools are getting from them goes to UConn.

Oh, just that easy

 

[Kolumbo]

No, I really don't think you do. Fabricating some kind of equivalency by saying "well we only make $.20 on the dollar, but we're only selling a much less valuable product so we're fine" is a nonsensical position.

I don't want to get in the weeds with you, but every position you've taken in this thread, from the addition of Dayton and St. Louis to the big east onward has always consistently any basic understanding of the underlying economics. This position is no different.

Feel free to have the last word.

You are wrong. No idea who you are quoting there unless it is yourself.

You keep saying $0.20 on the dollar but that is nowhere near reality. You insist on comparing 2 completely different products which doesn't take into account the true value of either. You can continue doing it to support your argument but its senseless. It defies all principals of finance, economic, accounting. You really lost me when you argued that the MAC schools were more valuable than Villanova, which I suppose is why you shut that down.

 

[Fishy]

Big assumption that the Power 2 have any interest in the ACC schools. Maybe the B1G kicks the tires on a couple, but I don't see why the SEC has any interest. SEC expansion has been based on football schools, and the only schools that move the needle (FSU, Clemson and Miami) already have SEC schools in state. Maybe you look at how they took UT when they already had aTm in TX , but UT is as big a football name as there is. Those ACC schools aren't on the same level.

You’re dreaming.

First two calls the SEC and Big Ten would make if given the chance is North Carolina and Virginia. There’s 20,000,000 people and growing in those two states - new markets, both contiguous states for each conference, flagships and academic blue chips.

They’d then call Notre Dame just for the hell of it, but it’d go to voice mail.

 

[Fishy]

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Notre Dame, a member in all sports but football, received $22.1 million.

It really is Notre Dame’s world, isn’t it?

 

[CL82]

It really is Notre Dame’s world, isn’t it?

Especially when you realize that is only a small fraction of their annual income.

 

[Ha Who]

Or tax ESPN and the amount that ACC schools are getting from them goes to UConn.

Connecticut is so business friendly. I am sure Fortune 500 companies are lining up to replace ESPN. Now I get the plan. All the empty office space in Hartford is leading up to this

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

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Notre Dame, a member in all sports but football, received $22.1 million.

Not sure that the 44.8m is just tv revenue - it likely includes other revenue sharing aspects as well.

 

[CL82]

It really is Notre Dame’s world, isn’t it?

Especially when you realize that is only a small fraction of their annual income.

 

[businesslawyer]

I'm not sure that that's actually correct. Notre Dame isn't a football member but receives $17 million per year from the ACC. That's what over $10 million more than big East members receive?

Part of that money, however, is to compensate ND for the football ties. The promise to schedule ACC teams, play half of them on the road, and not join any other conference for football for a defined period of time.

 

[UConnDan97]

Part of that money, however, is to compensate ND for the football ties. The promise to schedule ACC teams, play half of them on the road, and not join any other conference for football for a defined period of time.

While that's true, they also keep their NBC TV contract exclusively, valued at $50 million per year, along with keeping the entirety of their football playoff earnings, valued at $20 million. They are indeed a different animal.

But the original point still stands: ND's Olympic earnings from the ACC is much greater than ours from the Big East...

 

[Kolumbo]

While that's true, they also keep their NBC TV contract exclusively, valued at $50 million per year, along with keeping the entirety of their football playoff earnings, valued at $20 million. They are indeed a different animal.

But the original point still stands: ND's Olympic earnings from the ACC is much greater than ours from the Big East...

@businesslawyer stated that part of the ACC payout to ND is due to the fact that ND is a football member. you counter saying that yes, although that is true, it is really due to olympic sports. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that ND's crappy basketball program is bringing in $17 million? Heck no. It is all about ND Football. ND Football brings home the bacon. ND football allows its olympic sports a slot in the ACC. ND's olympic sports are worth squat, certainly not more than UConn or Villanova. The point does not stand, no siree.

 

[Fishy]

@businesslawyer stated that part of the ACC payout to ND is due to the fact that ND is a football member. you counter saying that yes, although that is true, it is really due to olympic sports. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that ND's crappy basketball program is bringing in $17 million? Heck no. It is all about ND Football. ND Football brings home the bacon. ND football allows its olympic sports a slot in the ACC. ND's olympic sports are worth squat, certainly not more than UConn or Villanova. The point does not stand, no siree.

Have you suffered a stroke?

 

[Fishy]

Part of that money, however, is to compensate ND for the football ties. The promise to schedule ACC teams, play half of them on the road, and not join any other conference for football for a defined period of time.

It’s an amazing double dip.

The ACC has to pay them for being their friends. NBC then pays them north of $50M a year for their home slate. And they get to keep all of their playoff winnings. So, $50M, plus $22M, plus $20M for the playoff run….just a tidy $90M+ year for the Irish.

Remember when people insisted that Notre Dame would be forced to join a conference?

They are our opposite pole. If everything breaks completely wrong for us, it always breaks perfectly for Notre Dame.

 

[UConnDan97]

@businesslawyer stated that part of the ACC payout to ND is due to the fact that ND is a football member. you counter saying that yes, although that is true, it is really due to olympic sports. Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that ND's crappy basketball program is bringing in $17 million? Heck no. It is all about ND Football. ND Football brings home the bacon. ND football allows its olympic sports a slot in the ACC. ND's olympic sports are worth squat, certainly not more than UConn or Villanova. The point does not stand, no siree.

It's all about their football and nothing to do with their Olympic sports, right?

If that was the case... do you know how many ACC vs Notre Dame football games were aired on ESPN this past year (road games)?? One. ONE! One single game against Georgia Tech.

So if it was only about the football, then the ACC paid 17 million this year to cover a single game, making them the dumbest conference in history.

Fishy was right that this is an amazing double dip, and he was also right that you may be suffering a stroke...

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Can someone accurately break out what Notre Dame gets from the ACC for its Olympic sports (i.e. not football related, not the friends payment for being associated with the conference, etc.)? Does Notre Dame truly get more for its Olympic sports, or are people conflating these other factors?

 

[noeynox]

And unfortunately the coaching hires were PP, BD, and RE2. It's one thing to strike out three times in a row and we did it in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings while being down by multiple runs... Or, punt, punt, fumble in the 4th quarter down 10 points. We need a hail Mary followed by an on sides kick.

Those are the hires you get when the people making the decisions are the ones I mentioned.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

Can someone accurately break out what Notre Dame gets from the ACC for its Olympic sports (i.e. not football related, not the friends payment for being associated with the conference, etc.)? Does Notre Dame truly get more for its Olympic sports, or are people conflating these other factors?

If you're looking for everything except football and men's & women's basketball, I don't think there is a way to fully extract that number.

We can find out what full members receive in comparison to what ND receives but from there it would be only an educated guess as to how much of that is for the football scheduling arrangement.

As all of this pertains to us, SMU basically made things far more difficult for any school to move from G level to P level by setting a precedent where a new member could be willing to join while being massively underpaid.

Our answer can only be to develop football to the point where a P level conference would want to add us out of fear that another P level conference could add us and hurt them in the process

 

[UConnDan97]

Can someone accurately break out what Notre Dame gets from the ACC for its Olympic sports (i.e. not football related, not the friends payment for being associated with the conference, etc.)? Does Notre Dame truly get more for its Olympic sports, or are people conflating these other factors?

Notre Dame receives 17 million per year for all of their Olympic sports, plus 5 games against the ACC in football scheduling (whereby their home games are covered by their own NBC contract). The ACC does not get their hockey teams since they don't have it.

If you're looking for a way to pull out the value of the 2 to 3 games that the ACC gets tv rights for in football, there's no way to do that. Most teams pay in between $300k and $2 mil to get other teams to visit their home stadium (Alabama paid Western Kentucky $1.9 million).

However, if you believe that the value of 2 home games and 3 road games (w/o tv coverage) to the ACC is worth the bulk of the $17 mil, then I've got land to sell you in the Everglades...

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

If you're looking for everything except football and men's & women's basketball, I don't think there is a way to fully extract that number.

We can find out what full members receive in comparison to what ND receives but from there it would be only an educated guess as to how much of that is for the football scheduling arrangement.

As all of this pertains to us, SMU basically made things far more difficult for any school to move from G level to P level by setting a precedent where a new member could be willing to join while being massively underpaid.

Our answer can only be to develop football to the point where a P level conference would want to add us out of fear that another P level conference could add us and hurt them in the process

Seems pretty clear SMU was added so the ACC Network could try to penetrate the D-FW/Texas market and because the ACC wasn't confident SMU could bring great ratings, they were forced to get nothing from the conference... I imagine the UConn to the Big12 potentiality will be a similar proposition, though we bring way more value to the Big12 due to our basketball/overall brand appeal so we should get more than zero if/when it happens.

 

[Kolumbo]

It's all about their football and nothing to do with their Olympic sports, right?

If that was the case... do you know how many ACC vs Notre Dame football games were aired on ESPN this past year (road games)?? One. ONE! One single game against Georgia Tech.

So if it was only about the football, then the ACC paid 17 million this year to cover a single game, making them the dumbest conference in history.

Fishy was right that this is an amazing double dip, and he was also right that you may be suffering a stroke...

The ACC teams get a ton of exposure playing ND, perhaps more so than playing on espn. Is it worth the $17 million? I don't know. But you are correct, the ACC could be the dumbest conference in history. Next to the PAC.

 

[UConnDan97]

The ACC teams get a ton of exposure playing ND, perhaps more so than playing on espn. Is it worth the $17 million? I don't know. But you are correct, the ACC could be the dumbest conference in history. Next to the PAC.

They could be. All I know is that I want a sense of justice, since I know that UConn is an elite athletic department, and we should be paid accordingly. It's not fair that crap athletic departments are getting paid much more...

 

[TerryD]

One thing missing in this discussion is that Notre Dame receives a full share of ACC Network profits, just like every other ACC member.

ND gets a partial share of the regular, base contract ACC/ESPN money, but the total number is enhanced by the full share ACC Network money.

The latest EADA filing shows that ND received around $24 million total from the ACC, representing in the whole about a half share.

ND gets no ACC money for football, unless it makes a minor bowl and that money is pooled and shared

That ACC payout of $24 million is in addition to the $50 million a year from NBC and ND's playoff money.

 

[CL82]

They could be. All I know is that I want a sense of justice, since I know that UConn is an elite athletic department, and we should be paid accordingly. It's not fair that crap athletic departments are getting paid much more...