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Who here thinks this ACC agreement means the ACC in 2030 will look the same as today? I sure don't. I just can't see that conference holding as is for that long. Maybe FSU and Clemson pay up and get out sooner. UNC has more money than anyone, it too could bolt. It sounds like it is a heck of a lot cheaper now, especially if the GOR is included in these new figures. Heck $100 mill is a bargain compared to the numbers people were throwing around before.

So you think that Clemson and FSU will spend, say, $100,000,000 to join a conference that would pay them less than the ACC does now?

Everyone realizes that the B12 makes less money, yes?
 
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So you think that Clemson and FSU will spend, say, $100,000,000 to join a conference that would pay them less than the ACC does now?

Everyone realizes that the B12 makes less money, yes?
Given your presumption that the Big XII is the only option, no.

P2, Absolutely yes.

So FSU and Clemson sue to get out of the ACC. The parties negotiate a settlement with reduced fees. The end result is the ACC will live long and prosper with FSU and Clemson. Is that the conclusion?
I bet they prefer to stay in the ACC.
A merged ACC perhaps. It's a small but passionate sample from the orange board, and this is the football thread. They can't seem to figure out what the actual exit fee language means vis-a-vis the GOR.

"OG Big East BBall (4/9): BC, UConn, SU, Pitt
Big East 2.0 BBall (5/14): BC, UConn, SU, Pitt, West Virginia
OG Big East FB (4/8): BC, SU, Pitt, West Virginia
Big East 2.0 FB (7/8): UConn, SU, Pitt, West Virginia, Cincy, Louisville, USF
ACC 4.0 (5/14): Wake, BC, SU, Pitt, Louisville"

"I could see a big merger to try to keep up with SEC/B1G. 24-32 schools in 3-6 pods/divisions. 6-8 team playoff with 1-2 teams being allowed to compete with the SEC/B1G in their playoff with 5-6 teams each. If it ended up with Syracuse being in a regional conference with BC, UConn, Pitt, WVU, Louisville, Va Tech, Wake Forest, NC State, etc... so be it. About the best we can hope for."

 
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So you think that Clemson and FSU will spend, say, $100,000,000 to join a conference that would pay them less than the ACC does now?

Everyone realizes that the B12 makes less money, yes?
You're not saying that Clemson and FSU played themselves by reducing the ACCs payout when UVa and UNC leave? Oh wow. That is the upshot.

They should've said, "We're OK with the GOR and the penalties, we just need more money than Wake Forest and BC!"
 

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UConn just went back to back... if you are comparing apples to apples for Olympic sports, the Big East TV contract just signed is on par with the ACC basketball equivalency (75-80% of its overall media contract).
I am of course entirely aware. Basketball is important. But it’s far less important than football.

UConn has a great case to join the ACC. Would restore some hoop power, won’t hurt much for football, baseball is a positive. Should have been there years ago. But the Big East is a limited league.
 
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I am of course entirely aware. Basketball is important. But it’s far less important than football.

UConn has a great case to join the ACC. Would restore some hoop power, won’t hurt much for football, baseball is a positive. Should have been there years ago. But the Big East is a limited league.
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious again; the Big East without football is limited.
 

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I am of course entirely aware. Basketball is important. But it’s far less important than football.

UConn has a great case to join the ACC. Would restore some hoop power, won’t hurt much for football, baseball is a positive. Should have been there years ago. But the Big East is a limited league.

We need to pin, somewhere on this board, that any buy in to a new conference will take somewhere between a decade and forever. We will never get a full share of another league unless we change the debate, but the same posters repeat the same wishcasting of how wonderful all the new dollars will be in the ACC/Big 12/Wherever as soon as we get our full offer to join.
 
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Charlie brWe need to pin, somewhere on this board, that any buy in to a new conference will take somewhere between a decade and forever. We will never get a full share of another league unless we change the debate, but the same posters repeat the same wishcasting of how wonderful all the new dollars will be in the ACC/Big 12/Wherever as soon as we get our full offer to join.
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UConn just went back to back... if you are comparing apples to apples for Olympic sports, the Big East TV contract just signed is on par with the ACC basketball equivalency (75-80% of its overall media contract).
Football is roughly 80% of the ACC contract. So, basically you are saying that the big east is paid roughly $.20 on the dollar of the ACC. Personally, I don't find much comfort in that.
 
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Football is roughly 80% of the ACC contract. So, basically you are saying that the big east is paid roughly $.20 on the dollar of the ACC. Personally, I don't find much comfort in that.
Are you saying ACC BB is getting that much more than the BE? I've never really looked at the numbers that deeply.
 
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Football is roughly 80% of the ACC contract. So, basically you are saying that the big east is paid roughly $.20 on the dollar of the ACC. Personally, I don't find much comfort in that.
I don't find comfort by being in the Big East but when comparing what the Big East's tv revenue value is you have to compare Olympic sports to Olympic sports.
 
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No one is leaving The ACC for The Big 12 until some schools move to the B1G and/or SEC first. It makes no sense otherwise. It's also why I believe that UConn will remain in contention for a spot in the league, as Yormark continues to sell his vision. If he can further monetize basketball, is it worth waiting for a Duke or Cuse when the two-time champs are available now?
 
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Are you saying ACC BB is getting that much more than the BE? I've never really looked at the numbers that deeply.
No, I was responding to the other poster who seem to be suggesting that basketball constitutes 80% of the total ACC contract. It does not. .
 
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Big assumption that the Power 2 have any interest in the ACC schools. Maybe the B1G kicks the tires on a couple, but I don't see why the SEC has any interest. SEC expansion has been based on football schools, and the only schools that move the needle (FSU, Clemson and Miami) already have SEC schools in state. Maybe you look at how they took UT when they already had aTm in TX , but UT is as big a football name as there is. Those ACC schools aren't on the same level.
 

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I don't find comfort by being in the Big East but when comparing what the Big East's tv revenue value is you have to compare Olympic sports to Olympic sports.
No, you don't. When you were going to the store to buy a loaf bread, nobody cares whether you've got a one hour a week part-time job which pays the same hourly as a different guys full-time job. They only care whether you have enough money to pay for the bread. In the end, though the guy with the full-time job definitely has the money to pay for the bread, plus some steaks plus some milk plus a case of beer… Etc..
 
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No, you don't. When you were going to the store to buy a loaf bread, nobody cares whether you've got a one hour a week part-time job which pays the same hourly as a different guys full-time job. They only care whether you have enough money to pay for the bread. In the end, though the guy with the full-time job definitely has the money to pay for the bread, plus some steaks plus some milk plus a case of beer… Etc..
Look, I stated simply from a comparison standpoint that the value of the BE is on par with the ACC's Olympic sports component. Of course UConn wants P* football tv revenue. Newsflash, we're not there yet. Do we all wish UConn was bringing in P*/40m per year for all sports? Yes. Will we one day? Time will tell.
 
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Look, I stated simply from a comparison standpoint that the value of the BE is on par with the ACC's Olympic sports component. Of course UConn wants P* football tv revenue. Newsflash, we're not there yet. Do we all wish UConn was bringing in P*/40m per year for all sports? Yes. Will we one day? Time will tell.
I think time has told.

When the school needed leaders willing to double down on FB we had Jeff Hathaway, Paul Pendergast, Sue Herbst, and Warde Manuel. When Manuel is the best of the bunch, you were bound to be cooked.
 
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No, you don't. When you were going to the store to buy a loaf bread, nobody cares whether you've got a one hour a week part-time job which pays the same hourly as a different guys full-time job. They only care whether you have enough money to pay for the bread. In the end, though the guy with the full-time job definitely has the money to pay for the bread, plus some steaks plus some milk plus a case of beer… Etc..
That is quite possibly the worst analogy I have ever read.

To use your grocery store scenario, one man is buying bugers, the other man is buying burgers and steaks. You have to compare the prices of the burgers without the steaks to see what's what.
 

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Look, I stated simply from a comparison standpoint that the value of the BE is on par with the ACC's Olympic sports component.
I'm not sure that that's actually correct. Notre Dame isn't a football member but receives $17 million per year from the ACC. That's what over $10 million more than big East members receive?
 

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That is quite possibly the worst analogy I have ever read.

To use your grocery store scenario, one man is buying bugers, the other man is buying burgers and steaks. You have to compare the prices of the burgers without the steaks to see what's what.
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The point is simply annual revenue is the salient criterium. If big east schools are only making $.20 on the dollar of ACC schools, they don't have the same buying power. The fact that they're selling a less valuable product isn't relevant.
 

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I think time has told.

When the school needed leaders willing to double down on FB we had Jeff Hathaway, Paul Pendergast, Sue Herbst, and Warde Manuel. When Manuel is the best of the bunch, you were bound to be cooked.
To be fair, he was a superstar.
 
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Lol...

The point is simply annual revenue is the salient criterium. If big east schools are only making $.20 on the dollar of ACC schools, they don't have the same buying power. The fact that they're selling a less valuable product isn't relevant.
I get the point you're making, but the analogy still stinks. There are a lot of ways to look at it though. Even if we just look at Olympic sports, the ACC has 18 programs vs the Big East 11 so overall, the ACC is more valuable. Another reason the Big East needs to expand. If only this were all moot at some point.


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I get the point you're making, but the analogy still stinks. There are a lot of ways to look at it though. Even if we just look at Olympic sports, the ACC has 18 programs vs the Big East 11 so overall, the ACC is more valuable. Another reason the Big East needs to expand. If only this were all moot at some point.


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No, I really don't think you do. Fabricating some kind of equivalency by saying "well we only make $.20 on the dollar, but we're only selling a much less valuable product so we're fine" is a nonsensical position.

I don't want to get in the weeds with you, but every position you've taken in this thread, from the addition of Dayton and St. Louis to the big east onward has always consistently any basic understanding of the underlying economics. This position is no different.

Feel free to have the last word.
 
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I'm not sure that that's actually correct. Notre Dame isn't a football member but receives $17 million per year from the ACC. That's what over $10 million more than big East members receive?
Not sure about Notre Dame because it might get partial money for football or just some kick back just because they're Notre Dame... Let's just do the per school math for the ACC - they bring in about 480m per year divided by 16 schools (I'll be nice and divide by 16 instead of 17 due to SMU getting zero), so that's 6m per school (assumes 20% for Olympic sports/80% for football).
 
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I think time has told.

When the school needed leaders willing to double down on FB we had Jeff Hathaway, Paul Pendergast, Sue Herbst, and Warde Manuel. When Manuel is the best of the bunch, you were bound to be cooked.
And unfortunately the coaching hires were PP, BD, and RE2. It's one thing to strike out three times in a row and we did it in the 6th, 7th, and 8th innings while being down by multiple runs... Or, punt, punt, fumble in the 4th quarter down 10 points. We need a hail Mary followed by an on sides kick.
 
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No one is leaving The ACC for The Big 12 until some schools move to the B1G and/or SEC first. It makes no sense otherwise. It's also why I believe that UConn will remain in contention for a spot in the league, as Yormark continues to sell his vision. If he can further monetize basketball, is it worth waiting for a Duke or Cuse when the two-time champs are available now?
Depends entirely on what a future deal may involve. If the b12 yields more money than the acc and the b10/sec says go away then teams go to the b12
 

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