2022 Transfer Offer Thread

[BIIIG]

I hope Newton is good, i really do. But i think the expectation is being set way too high. We've done this soooooooo many times and seems like fall into the same false sense of security every season. There's a guard who transfers in from a school where they were doing well and we expect that same level of production AND MORE at UConn when in reality that first year they come in, production drops off.

Rodney Purvis (1st UConn year) 11.6ppg (i do love purvis, dont get it twisted) - coming off "the ferrari" label
Sterling Gibbs - 12.3ppg on 38.7% - coming off 16.3ppg at 43.1% at seton hall
Antwoine Anderson - 7.4ppg on 39.1% in 31.4 minutes a game - coming off 11.1ppg
Tarin Smith - 8ppg in 27 minutes a game - coming off 12.4ppg
R.J Cole (1st UConn year) 12.2ppg at 38.7% - coming off 21.4ppg

I get a lot of these guys had different levels of responsibility out there but the transfer landed almost never lives up to the hype we put on them. I want Newton to pan out 100%, I just think slating him at 32 minutes a game from the jump and saying there aren't minutes for another high level guard to come in and take is a mistake.

 

[HuskyHawk]

We really don't have plenty of minutes. We basically have enough room for one more significant (20+ mpg) contributor.

Estimated MPG on the roster:
Sanogo - 32
Newton - 32
Jackson - 32
Hawkins - 30
[New Player] - 25
Alleyne - 20

Clingan/Karaban/Johnson - ~30 total

There's not a wealth of minutes available unless you take them away from someone whose already a significant contributor.

Newton takes the place of Cole as the primary ballhandler.

I'm betting Alleyne and [New Player] are more competent ballhandlers and contributors than Gaffney/Diggins and at least one can be a good backup at primary PG. Alleyne shooting from 3 at almost 40% more than makes up for that.

Jackson is capable as a ballhandler and Hawkins is competent, but not primary. That gives us 5 players who are able to handle the ball.

We really don't need more than one more solid guard.

I think Johnson is a 20+mpg player. I tend to doubt anybody goes much over 30 with this roster. We played a lot of guys more minutes than we should have last year. Cole and Sanogo certainly, probably Martin as well. Here's my ballpark guess. Injuries always happen too, could change things.

Sanogo 29
Jackson 30
Hawkins 28
Newton 30
Alleyne 24
Johnson 22
Karaban 10
Clingan 6
[open minutes/Castle] 21

 

[Leebo]

Rudi J (If we get him)

Rudi J?

 

[ClifSpliffy]

I think Johnson is a 20+mpg player. I tend to doubt anybody goes much over 30 with this roster. We played a lot of guys more minutes than we should have last year. Cole and Sanogo certainly, probably Martin as well. Here's my ballpark guess. Injuries always happen too, could change things.

Sanogo 29
Jackson 30
Hawkins 28
Newton 30
Alleyne 24
Johnson 22
Karaban 10
Clingan 6
[open minutes/Castle] 21

if alex only gets 10 and donovan only gets 6 next year, that will, prima facially, be coaching mal practice.

 

[kcc1442]

I hope Newton is good, i really do. But i think the expectation is being set way too high. We've done this soooooooo many times and seems like fall into the same false sense of security every season. There's a guard who transfers in from a school where they were doing well and we expect that same level of production AND MORE at UConn when in reality that first year they come in, production drops off.

Rodney Purvis (1st UConn year) 11.6ppg (i do love purvis, dont get it twisted) - coming off "the ferrari" label
Sterling Gibbs - 12.3ppg on 38.7% - coming off 16.3ppg at 43.1% at seton hall
Antwoine Anderson - 7.4ppg on 39.1% in 31.4 minutes a game - coming off 11.1ppg
Tarin Smith - 8ppg in 27 minutes a game - coming off 12.4ppg
R.J Cole (1st UConn year) 12.2ppg at 38.7% - coming off 21.4ppg

I get a lot of these guys had different levels of responsibility out there but the transfer landed almost never lives up to the hype we put on them. I want Newton to pan out 100%, I just think slating him at 32 minutes a game from the jump and saying there aren't minutes for another high level guard to come in and take is a mistake.

I may be wrong but no one is talking about production. Just MPG. He is going to get bulk minutes. He will be on a better team so naturally he won't be relied upon to score as much. But people are talking about minutes not production. He will still produce despite his usage rates falling a bit. Your reaching hard here. AA and Smith weren't ever suppose to reach their totals and were specifically brought in for back up roles. So immediately you can throw those two out. RJ came from Howard and naturally was never going to reach those crazy stats that he accumulated at a lower level. 12.2 was actually a nice surprise in his first year. So throw him out of your argument because there was no feeling of not living up to expectation. Purvis actually superseded his numbers from NC State. Something you NOT so cleverly left out. But due to Ollie's hype he might have been considered short of the expectation. 11.6 is about right for a first year in the program guy who shared the back court with an experienced Boatright and a ball dominant much hyped D Ham. Sterling Gibbs I will give you. He scored four points less but also shot 3 less shots per game. His shooting % was down and I did expect a little more in his one season with us.

So you hit on one of five.

 

[HuskyHawk]

if alex only gets 10 and donovan only gets 6 next year, that will, prima facially, be coaching mal practice.

Alex may well get more. If he does, we have even fewer open minutes left. I don't think Donovan will, and I don't think he will be bothered by that. He's not going to be ready for this level of competition. He's a project.

 

[RipCity]

I think Johnson is a 20+mpg player. I tend to doubt anybody goes much over 30 with this roster. We played a lot of guys more minutes than we should have last year. Cole and Sanogo certainly, probably Martin as well. Here's my ballpark guess. Injuries always happen too, could change things.

Sanogo 29
Jackson 30
Hawkins 28
Newton 30
Alleyne 24
Johnson 22
Karaban 10
Clingan 6
[open minutes/Castle] 21

You’re way too high on Johnson. I don’t know what you saw from him this year that says he’ll be ready for that much playing time. Hurley is already talking about Karaban more than Johnson when he talks about next year. The writing is on the wall.

 

[navery12]

I hope Newton is good, i really do. But i think the expectation is being set way too high. We've done this soooooooo many times and seems like fall into the same false sense of security every season. There's a guard who transfers in from a school where they were doing well and we expect that same level of production AND MORE at UConn when in reality that first year they come in, production drops off.

Rodney Purvis (1st UConn year) 11.6ppg (i do love purvis, dont get it twisted) - coming off "the ferrari" label
Sterling Gibbs - 12.3ppg on 38.7% - coming off 16.3ppg at 43.1% at seton hall
Antwoine Anderson - 7.4ppg on 39.1% in 31.4 minutes a game - coming off 11.1ppg
Tarin Smith - 8ppg in 27 minutes a game - coming off 12.4ppg
R.J Cole (1st UConn year) 12.2ppg at 38.7% - coming off 21.4ppg

I get a lot of these guys had different levels of responsibility out there but the transfer landed almost never lives up to the hype we put on them. I want Newton to pan out 100%, I just think slating him at 32 minutes a game from the jump and saying there aren't minutes for another high level guard to come in and take is a mistake.

I think you're looking too much at stats when talking about expectations. I don't think there's any world where someone could claim RJ Cole didn't live up to expectations here. If anything he massively exceeded them in going from a MEAC transfer to All Big East 1st team

 

[BIIIG]

I may be wrong but no one is talking about production. Just MPG. He is going to get bulk minutes. He will be on a better team so naturally he won't be relied upon to score as much. But people are talking about minutes not production. He will still produce despite his usage rates falling a bit. Your reaching hard here. AA and Smith weren't ever suppose to reach their totals and were specifically brought in for back up roles. So immediately you can throw those two out. RJ came from Howard and naturally was never going to reach those crazy stats that he accumulated at a lower level. 12.2 was actually a nice surprise in his first year. So throw him out of your argument because there was no feeling of not living up to expectation. Purvis actually superseded his numbers from NC State. Something you NOT so cleverly left out. But due to Ollie's hype he might have been considered short of the expectation. 11.6 is about right for a first year in the program guy who shared the back court with an experienced Boatright and a ball dominant much hyped D Ham. Sterling Gibbs I will give you. He scored four points less but also shot 3 less shots per game. His shooting % was down and I did expect a little more in his one season with us.

So you hit on one of five.

I get its about production and you make some points. That being said, I'm saying if the production isn't stellar why are we slating them in for 32 minutes a game from jump, because that 32 minuts a game is what's preventing people from saying another high level guy can come in. 'there aren't enough minutes'. I get it but im just saying maybe slate the guy for 25minutes from the jump and then your able to bring in another guy who isn't a stud but offering someone 15minutes a game vs. 5 is def going to increase the caliber of that player.

Also Tarin Smith averaged 27.6 minutes a game, and antwoine anderson averaged 31.4 minute a game...soooooo not sure how they were backups and im wrong there

 

[BIIIG]

I think you're looking too much at stats when talking about expectations. I don't think there's any world where someone could claim RJ Cole didn't live up to expectations here. If anything he massively exceeded them in going from a MEAC transfer to All Big East 1st team

I was specifically referring to his first year, which I said in my post. His first year he shot under 40% from the field and had bouknight there to shield him from top defenders. His second year he was a great player to have and the team would have been lost wihtout him, there's no denying that, but that isn't what i was talking about

 

[FfldCntyFan]

if alex only gets 10 and donovan only gets 6 next year, that will, prima facially, be coaching mal practice.

Not necessarily.

I firmly believe that by the time each of Clingan and Karaban complete their time here our fan base as a whole will say they outperformed expectations. I am however a little hesitant to about how ready each will be to play many meaningful minutes as true freshman (even with Karaban's early enrollment).

Minimal play in a freshman year will not necessarily equate to a coaching error or the players not being the level we were anticipating. In one case considerable improvement will be needed, in the other, a bit more physical maturity.

 

[SeattleHoop]

You’re way too high on Johnson. I don’t know what you saw from him this year that says he’ll be ready for that much playing time. Hurley is already talking about Karaban more than Johnson when he talks about next year. The writing is on the wall.

Hurley said himself that Johnson has wall potential. That means something..He is almost 6’10” with a long wingspan and can step out. In his limited minutes last season he often scored off of putbacks. Lots or reasons for optimism about Johnson. He’s going to surprise some people next year. Only reason he didn’t get more time was because of Whaley and Polley staying an extra year

 

[RipCity]

Hurley said himself that Johnson has wall potential. That means something..He is almost 6’10” with a long wingspan and can step out. In his limited minutes last season he often scored off of putbacks. Lots or reasons for optimism about Johnson. He’s going to surprise some people next year. Only reason he didn’t get more time was because of Whaley and Polley staying an extra year

He said that last summer. It’s ancient history. He barely played this year.

Hurley has brought up Karaban multiple times in the last month about how skilled he is and bringing shooting/passing to the table next year. It’s been radio silence on Johnson.

I hope Johnson goes crazy next year, but odds are that he will be behind Karaban at the 4.

 

[BIIIG]

He said that last summer. It’s ancient history. He barely played this year.

Hurley has brought up Karaban multiple times in the last month about how skilled he is and bringing shooting/passing to the table next year. It’s been radio silence on Johnson.

I hope Johnson goes crazy next year, but odds are that he will be behind Karaban at the 4.

Think we need a Hard Knocks type show for UConn basketball this fall

 

[ClifSpliffy]

Not necessarily.

I firmly believe that by the time each of Clingan and Karaban complete their time here our fan base as a whole will say they outperformed expectations. I am however a little hesitant to about how ready each will be to play many meaningful minutes as true freshman (even with Karaban's early enrollment).

Minimal play in a freshman year will not necessarily equate to a coaching error or the players not being the level we were anticipating. In one case considerable improvement will be needed, in the other, a bit more physical maturity.

alex already knows more aboot the game than anyone on the team as constituted thus far. and, unbeknownst to some of the first anal-ists here when he signed on, donovan can drain the 3, amongst other obvious skilz that he has.
coaching malpractice if they don't get legit time on the hardwood next season. that's my story, and im sticking to it.

 

[Glastonhusky]

Are there still plenty of minutes to go around though after the last 2 weeks? If we lock down Rudi and Castle does reclass (as expected) that's 11 guys that have a legit shot at playing time. Even if we get Rudi and Castle decides not to reclass or vice versa that's still 10 guys fighting for time.

Newton
Alleyne
Hawkins
Castle (if reclass)
Rudi J (If we get him)
AJax
Sanogo
Karaban
Samson
Clinigan
Springs

I forgot about Castle, Rudi and Castle would be ideal. If Castle doesn't reclass, I'd like another ball handler.

 

[SeattleHoop]

He said that last summer. It’s ancient history. He barely played this year.

Hurley has brought up Karaban multiple times in the last month about how skilled he is and bringing shooting/passing to the table next year. It’s been radio silence on Johnson.

I hope Johnson goes crazy next year, but odds are that he will be behind Karaban at the 4.

Actually the truth is, you actually have no idea who is going to be start between the two of them. Lol. I’m high on Karaban too, but not sure why you are so low on Johnson. They are both likely going to be very good players for us

 

[HuskyHawk]

He said that last summer. It’s ancient history. He barely played this year.

Hurley has brought up Karaban multiple times in the last month about how skilled he is and bringing shooting/passing to the table next year. It’s been radio silence on Johnson.

I hope Johnson goes crazy next year, but odds are that he will be behind Karaban at the 4.

So Hurley talked up the highly rated freshman Johnson last year and he didn't play much. But now, he's talking up (not as much actually) a highly rated freshman Karaban, but this time it's different? Sure. Johnson will have more experience in the system and no super senior eating his minutes. Since Karaban enrolled early, I think he will play more than Johnson did last year. I think to many people have forgotten what Johnson can be. Agile 6'10" guys who block shots, rebound, run the floor, dunk effortlessly and can shoot 3s are pretty damned useful. I think he gets some minutes at the 5 ahead of Clingan.

 

[RipCity]

So Hurley talked up the highly rated freshman Johnson last year and he didn't play much. But now, he's talking up (not as much actually) a highly rated freshman Karaban, but this time it's different? Sure. Johnson will have more experience in the system and no super senior eating his minutes. Since Karaban enrolled early, I think he will play more than Johnson did last year. I think to many people have forgotten what Johnson can be. Agile 6'10" guys who block shots, rebound, run the floor, dunk effortlessly and can shoot 3s are pretty damned useful. I think he gets some minutes at the 5 ahead of Clingan.

It is different because now both have been practicing and one is getting more hype from Hurley than the other.

Johnson showed that he was super raw this year. Based on how he looked, being ready to play 20 MPG is a big step up to make. Hopefully he has a monster offseason and can do that, but I wouldn’t assume he will.

 

[husky429]

So Hurley talked up the highly rated freshman Johnson last year and he didn't play much. But now, he's talking up (not as much actually) a highly rated freshman Karaban, but this time it's different? Sure. Johnson will have more experience in the system and no super senior eating his minutes. Since Karaban enrolled early, I think he will play more than Johnson did last year. I think to many people have forgotten what Johnson can be. Agile 6'10" guys who block shots, rebound, run the floor, dunk effortlessly and can shoot 3s are pretty damned useful. I think he gets some minutes at the 5 ahead of Clingan.

Johnson was an athlete with potential and very little skill. Karaban is the exact opposite. Unless his versatility and shooting don't translate, I don't see how you keep the kid off the floor. I'm very high on him.

 

[UCSouth]

Johnson was an athlete with potential and very little skill. Karaban is the exact opposite. Unless his versatility and shooting don't translate, I don't see how you keep the kid off the floor. I'm very high on him.

What do you think about a lineup of Newton, Alleyne, Hawkins, Karaban and Johnson for a few minutes each half to give Adama and Andre a breather? Appreciate your thoughts.

 

[BIIIG]

What do you think about a lineup of Newton, Alleyne, Hawkins, Karaban and Johnson for a few minutes each half to give Adama and Andre a breather? Appreciate your thoughts.

Wouldn't sit them at the same time if avoidable

 

[UCSouth]

Wouldn't sit them at the same time if avoidable

Isn't that what got us in trouble this past season? Not running out the new kids during the cupcakes?

 

[BIIIG]

Isn't that what got us in trouble this past season? Not running out the new kids during the cupcakes?

Can still bring them in while keeping either Jackson OR Sanogo on the court. Its also a different scenario during cupcake games but I didn't know that's the situation you were referring to. In those cupcake games I completely agree, get the young new guys some real game minutes out there. See what they do when there is 12 minutes left in the 1st half rather than 5 min left in the 2nd half with a 30 point lead. Get them the reps cause come conference play you're going to wish they had time to have gotten those jitters out.

 

[husky429]

What do you think about a lineup of Newton, Alleyne, Hawkins, Karaban and Johnson for a few minutes each half to give Adama and Andre a breather? Appreciate your thoughts.

Every one of those pieces is unproven. 4/5 have played 0 meaningful minutes for us. I really have no idea.

 

[UCSouth]

Can still bring them in while keeping either Jackson OR Sanogo on the court. Its also a different scenario during cupcake games but I didn't know that's the situation you were referring to. In those cupcake games I completely agree, get the young new guys some real game minutes out there. See what they do when there is 12 minutes left in the 1st half rather than 5 min left in the 2nd half with a 30 point lead. Get them the reps cause come conference play you're going to wish they had time to have gotten those jitters out.

I was thinking about the mismatches we could get bringing Johnson out of the paint and posting up a big guard. Definitely open up the paint for cuts and dunks.

 

[auror]

I was thinking about the mismatches we could get bringing Johnson out of the paint and posting up a big guard. Definitely open up the paint for cuts and dunks.

Newton is that big guard, but I'm not sure if he's ever worked on that. But that lineup could be very Villanova-esque.

 

[UCSouth]

Newton is that big guard, but I'm not sure if he's ever worked on that. But that lineup could be very Villanova-esque.

Agreed and I'm only thinking 2-3 minutes at a time, based on situations or resting Adama and Andre.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Johnson was an athlete with potential and very little skill. Karaban is the exact opposite. Unless his versatility and shooting don't translate, I don't see how you keep the kid off the floor. I'm very high on him.

I think "very little skill" is an exaggeration. He can shoot. He can dribble. He can block shots. He needed to get stronger. This video has some practice shots that show him putting it on the floor and attacking the basket. I tend to think Karaban will also get minutes, including at the 3. I don't think Jackson is going to be at the 4 all that often. I also think Johnson will get most the backup 5 minutes, not Clingan. He's just a better fit for how we play. We are all just speculating, it will shake out. I think the main rotation players are already on the roster.

 

[UConnRock]

So Hurley talked up the highly rated freshman Johnson last year and he didn't play much. But now, he's talking up (not as much actually) a highly rated freshman Karaban, but this time it's different? Sure. Johnson will have more experience in the system and no super senior eating his minutes. Since Karaban enrolled early, I think he will play more than Johnson did last year. I think to many people have forgotten what Johnson can be. Agile 6'10" guys who block shots, rebound, run the floor, dunk effortlessly and can shoot 3s are pretty damned useful. I think he gets some minutes at the 5 ahead of Clingan.

Last year UConn lost just Bouknight so in reality only his minutes 32 minutes a game were “available”. This season UConn lost Cole, Martin, Whaley, Polley, Akok and Gaffney. That is a lot of available minutes per game to replace. So comparing Hurley’s need for playing time for incoming freshmen from last year to available time for young guys this coming year is just not relevant