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2020 Recruiting: Jacob Toppin

Hans Sprungfeld said:
What "premise" are you referring to?
Who or what constitutes "them?"
I have no idea what you mean.

This is even more puzzling than what @CallMeBruce wrote.
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your list of kids who were (apparently) under recruited going from small to bigger schools.

Many of them are upperclassmen. I’m unsure how many would be true sophs like toppin.
 
the Q said:
your list of kids who were (apparently) under recruited going from small to bigger schools.

Many of them are upperclassmen. I’m unsure how many would be true sophs like toppin.
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Now I think I understand. Yes, I mixed in grad transfers, in expanding the notion of guys moving up a category. It wasn't necessary. If that muddied things, my apologies.

I truly have neither knowledge or opinion about Toppin.

My simple (and yet missed) point was that someone said "no more URI" and got push back as though he'd said "no URI."
 
methodology said:
URI and UMass are in the same league
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Huskyforlife said:
Has anyone suggested what his strengths are?
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Great attitude, hops like no one on the team currently....good shot mechanics that just needed more game time. Toppin genes. Was at a URI game where he got faked out under the basket, jumped too soon, and the guy laid it in, but he was up so high, the crowd was a-buzz and it didn't even matter....
 
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navery12 said:
Hurley might not have interest and make this all moot. But to answer the question, yes I'd have interest him wherever he was coming from. All the advanced numbers have him as a similar level player to Adams, Carlton, Gilbert, and shockingly Tyrese Martin.
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No offense to Adams, Carlton, (or AG), but they are not the type of players that are going to get us back to elite level of basketball. We need keep adding major talent, not marginal bench depth.
 
I’m all for taking this kid if:

1) We miss on Sanogo and Nolley and
2) The transfer rule passes

I don’t want to use a scholarship on a sit out year for him, and would not want to take him until we know we’re out on the other two guys.
 
aburks41 said:
No offense to Adams, Carlton, (or AG), but they are not the type of players that are going to get us back to elite level of basketball. We need keep adding major talent, not marginal bench depth.
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Of course not. But if you can lock in the depth guys early it allows you to chase program changing talent and go hard after them from day 1 the next 2 years. But again, I have no idea if that's Toppin or some other guy Hurley chooses to pursue
 
navery12 said:
Of course not. But if you can lock in the depth guys early it allows you to chase program changing talent and go hard after them from day 1 the next 2 years. But again, I have no idea if that's Toppin or some other guy Hurley chooses to pursue
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The last thing we need is to take a flyer on some kid who could barely crack 12mpg in feb/march because of his last name. We have to start landing our top targets if we want to be at the top of the big east. If we want to be like Villanova, we need more bouknights and jacksons. I trust Hurley to develop players but at some point we need to get “sure things” type of guys
 
aburks41 said:
The last thing we need is to take a flyer on some kid who could barely crack 12mpg in feb/march because of his last name. We have to start landing our top targets if we want to be at the top of the big east. If we want to be like Villanova, we need more bouknights and jacksons. I trust Hurley to develop players but at some point we need to get “sure things” type of guys
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Yeah that's fair, obviously I want all the top guys. I'm just being realistic with who's out there for the last scholarship, there's basically no top guys we're connected to right now
 
navery12 said:
Yeah that's fair, obviously I want all the top guys. I'm just being realistic with who's out there for the last scholarship, there's basically no top guys we're connected to right now
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I’d rather us burn the scholarship this year and start looking at a monster 2021 class than waste it on a kid who likely will end up being a role player and taking up a scholly for 3 seasons...not worth the risk at all IMO
 
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aburks41 said:
No offense to Adams, Carlton, (or AG), but they are not the type of players that are going to get us back to elite level of basketball. We need keep adding major talent, not marginal bench depth.
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The AG we had the last 8-9 games coming off the bench most definitely would’ve helped us in our first year in the Big East. It’s ok we’ve moved on but I would’ve liked to have him just in case.
 
aburks41 said:
I’d rather us burn the scholarship this year and start looking at a monster 2021 class than waste it on a kid who likely will end up being a role player and taking up a scholly for 3 seasons...not worth the risk at all IMO
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We're going to have at least 3 and almost certainly 4 open roster spots after this season. There is plenty of room to add top-level talent. If we can't add Sanogo or Etienne or someone of similar caliber, adding Toppin is a smart move. That's a solid player you don't have to find next year.
 
on a coincidental note, if we land toppin, we would have the younger brothers of two of the last three A-10 player of the years (Jaylen Adams and Obi Toppin)
 
aburks41 said:
I’d rather us burn the scholarship this year and start looking at a monster 2021 class than waste it on a kid who likely will end up being a role player and taking up a scholly for 3 seasons...not worth the risk at all IMO
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Yeah I have no idea if the right call is Toppin or some other role player but we're looking at 4 or 5 open scholarships for 2021. Taking the role player and having to fill 4 spots should leave plenty of room for a monster class
 


of note, this is based on data from the 50 players who transferred from mid major to high and was immediately eligible.
 
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djct1999 said:


of note, this is based on data from the 50 players who transferred from mid major to high and was immediately eligible.
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It’s still a good reminder to not get too hyped up. It’s still a good path for depth. But it’s not likely a season saving move.

Even I got too hyped for Bruner since the hole at the 4 is big right now.
 
djct1999 said:


of note, this is based on data from the 50 players who transferred from mid major to high and was immediately eligible.
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That was an interesting article. There really is a huge difference in the level of play between conferences.

In terms of our team, there is some reason for optimism. I don't want to get into an RJ Cole debate in this thread, but there are two positive factors with him. One, he was only a sophomore, meaning he should have more room for growth than a grad transfer. Two, he had a year to practice with the team and learn our system. And for all of his offensive shortcomings, Alterique was a tough on-ball defender. Hopefully that made Cole better. He doesn't need to be an All-Big East player to make us a better team whenever college basketball resumes.

As for Martin and Toppin, there is no doubt that the A-10 is below the Big East and even the AAC. Still, it's better than many of the conferences the players in that article transferred from.

I agree that transfers from mid-majors shouldn't be seen as saviors. That doesn't mean they can't be useful pieces, though.
 
ToolzieFan said:
That was an interesting article. There really is a huge difference in the level of play between conferences.

In terms of our team, there is some reason for optimism. I don't want to get into an RJ Cole debate in this thread, but there are two positive factors with him. One, he was only a sophomore, meaning he should have more room for growth than a grad transfer. Two, he had a year to practice with the team and learn our system. And for all of his offensive shortcomings, Alterique was a tough on-ball defender. Hopefully that made Cole better. He doesn't need to be an All-Big East player to make us a better team whenever college basketball resumes.

As for Martin and Toppin, there is no doubt that the A-10 is below the Big East and even the AAC. Still, it's better than many of the conferences the players in that article transferred from.

I agree that transfers from mid-majors shouldn't be seen as saviors. That doesn't mean they can't be useful pieces, though.
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Toppin would definitely benefit as a sit.

The question is if we are in position to take a sit right now with such a need on the roster
 
On bad teams or even solid teams at a lower level, there’s still a lot of possessions available. That doesn’t change. So someone has to score, someone has to get rebounds, someone is going to get fouled and sent to the line...and if that player is getting numbers he’s probably going to stay in the game when he’s not playing well and making mistakes. It’s easy to play when you aren’t worried about who’s waiting at the scorer’s table.
Despite this, there are guys who get overlooked, who improve drastically when they are 18 and 19 and can make the jump in competition and still put up numbers.
 
Hungryhusky99 said:
Shonn Miller was from Cornell and was a very good player for us . Not sure what your point is here.
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if it has to be explained then it is way above your pay level
 
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ToolzieFan said:
Impressive list for a player who wasn’t good enough for us to recruit according to some.

He seemed like a reasonable Plan D (after Nolley, Sanigo, Mac), if he wouldn’t have had to sit out a year. Of course, sitting out a year at a good program might be good for his development.
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But he went to URI. Are we just gonna recruit every single kid who went to URI, Wagner, and St. Benedict's?
 
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