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Go/huskies said:
Gusters is now her high school teammate.
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I saw that and here is why that might not bee good news for UCONN.
If you look at the list of recent transfers from UCONN several were also players that walked away from their high school programs.
Courtney Ekmark-Home schooled her senior year.
Dejane Boykin-change high school to be with her brother.
Sadie Edwards-changed HS in CT to Blair Academy in NJ
AEH-Ossining to Blair then back to Ossining for senior year.
Additionally there must be something in the water at Duncanville that might be creating commitment issues.
The last few players out of that HS Cierra Johnson walked away from Louisville after 1 year and Zarielle Green changed her commitment from Kansas to TN at the 11th hour.
 
HopJim said:
Charlie, I think after doing the math on open scholarships, most would have to agree with your premise. We can disagree on the exact number, but bringing in more this or next year still fits within Geno's philosophy. There have to be at least 2-3 top players in each type of recruiting slot to target. In some years, Geno has had 5 scholarships accepted similar to SC this year. Not sure why some see to think bringing in a larger number is any different now or anything other than positive for the program.
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I think most do understand but a few can't imagine that there are more then three or four recruits that meet the stringent criteria set by UConn...............I'm not buying what they're selling but in the end we just have to watch and wonder.............
 
Charliebball said:
because you said so..

" Obviously I disagree and we have had this conversation before. An offer to a third point guard would be a contingency offer i.e, we are offering you just in case the other two say no. UCONN doesn't make contingency offers. If Paige and Hailey both say no to UCONN the starting PG in 2021 will be Christyn Williams and Aubrey Griffin will be the SG. Mikayla Coombs will rotate between the two positions."
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No I didn't! Stop it! See the bolded part of the post below. The last 4 words are really really important for you to comprehend!
CocoHusky said:
Ah... you are confused again or pretending to be. A world of difference between evaluating and making offers. UCONN will certainly evaluate Andrews because she can ball. I don't do the social media stalking thing so I not sure what's the significance of UCONN "following" Andrews. I hope UCONN evaluates Kapinus not sure she ends up being a PG at the college level more wing or SG. UCONN also evaluated Caitlin Clark and Tehina PaoPao via USA basketball trials. There was a recent post here linking UCONN to Kateri Poole.
So UCONN will end up evaluating as many as 6 players who can play the PG position in the the 2020 class alone. 6 Evaluations resulted in 2 offers SO FAR-THAT WE KNOW ABOUT. Respect the work and the evaluations. One of the key evaluations is versatility meaning UCONN might not necessarily be locked in to PG. I'm sure UCONN is comfortable with the offers they have out there t and you might as well learn to be as well.
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CocoHusky said:
No I didn't! Stop it! See the bolded part of the post below. The last 4 words are really really important for you to comprehend!
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in my opinion those are the four best guards out there period.................any one of them could easily handle either guard position.................I don't care how you want to categorize them...............UConn would be wise to make an additional offer.........
 
HopJim said:
Charlie, I think after doing the math on open scholarships, most would have to agree with your premise. We can disagree on the exact number, but bringing in more this or next year still fits within Geno's philosophy. There have to be at least 2-3 top players in each type of recruiting slot to target. In some years, Geno has had 5 scholarships accepted similar to SC this year. Not sure why some see to think bringing in a larger number is any different now or anything other than positive for the program.
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Bringing in larger number is not only a positive thing it is an imperative for the program. What some (me especially) are objecting to is the @Charliebball way of bringing in those players. This approach sucks. His original post which has since been edited stated:

Charliebball said:
2020 has to be like Noah's Ark....UConn has to offer at minimum two from every position, three for point guard....they simply have no choice if they want a 3-4 player class.
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What he wants desperately is for UCONN to offer the top two players (3 PGs) at each position in the 2020 class.
That would be 11 indiscriminate offers for the class of 2020 only. Hopefully you can spot the bad ASSumptions: 1) Typically there are not 11 players in a class that can make an impact at UCONN. 2) The rankings are often wrong or incomplete. 3) Team fit which is the number 1 criterion in UCONN recruiting would be ignored or minimized. 4) Not all top ranked player are interested in playing at UCONN, he wants to use the offer to gauge interest...... 5) What happens if 11 offers are accepted. 6) What happens if say 5 of the 11 offers are accepted and it is not the 5 that UCONN really wants or need to be successful.
There is nothing wrong with the current process where UCONN evaluates and selectively offers the players it believes will fit in, are interested in coming to UCONN and can contribute to the continue success of the team.
The results of the 2019 UCONN recruiting class is not an indication that UCONN's recruiting approach has failed so drastically that it needs to become more like Louisville.
 
Charliebball said:
in my opinion those are the four best guards out there period.......any one of them could easily handle either guard position.......I don't care how you want to categorize them.....UConn would be wise to make an additional offer....
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What happens if all three say yes to UCONN? Don't see andrews being able to play SG. I think @TitleTown got this one correct ,she is a PG in the mold of Crystal.
 
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CocoHusky said:
Bringing in larger number is not only a positive thing it is an imperative for the program. What some (me especially) are objecting to is the @Charliebball way of bringing in those players. This approach sucks. His original post which has since been edited stated:



What he wants desperately is for UCONN to offer the top two players (3 PGs) at each position in the 2020 class.
That would be 11 indiscriminate offers for the class of 2020 only. Hopefully you can spot the bad ASSumptions: 1) Typically there are not 11 players in a class that can make an impact at UCONN. 2) The rankings are often wrong or incomplete. 3) Team fit which is the number 1 criterion in UCONN recruiting would be ignored or minimized. 4) Not all top ranked player are interested in playing at UCONN, he wants to use the offer to gauge interest. 5) What happens if 11 offers are accepted. 6) What happens if say 5 of the 11 offers are accepted and it is not the 5 that UCONN really wants or need to be successful.
There is nothing wrong with the current process where UCONN evaluates and selectively offers the players it believes will fit in, are interested in coming to UCONN and can contribute to the continue success of the team.
The results of the 2019 UCONN recruiting class is not an indication that UCONN's recruiting approach has failed so drastically that it needs to become more like Louisville.
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I think everybody is getting tired of our bickering about this, I know I am.......................I've certainly made my thoughts abundantly clear.................I very much hope that UConn gets every single player that they offer in the 2020 class............if they don't then they just might have to continue checking other team's rosters for grads and malcontents...............so be it.........
 
Charliebball said:
I think everybody is getting tired of our bickering about this, I know I am........I've certainly made my thoughts abundantly clear.......I very much hope that UConn gets every single player that they offer in the 2020 class..if they don't then they just might have to continue checking other team's rosters for grads and malcontents.....so be it....
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You aren't tired enough to take another parting shot though right?
Didn't realize that UCONN had started "checking other team's rosters for grads and malcontents".
What is the next step down for UCONN in your mind, trolling the NJ Shore conference for players?
 
CocoHusky said:
You aren't tired enough to take another parting shot though right?
Didn't realize that UCONN had started "checking other team's rosters for grads and malcontents".
What is the next step down for UCONN in your mind, trolling the NJ Shore conference for players?
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hmmmmmmm...........you have...........did I not see you mention that a certain Florida State player from CT has one more year of eligibility as a grad student? Was that statement made as a simple public service or in the context of a UConn player shortfall next season? As far as the NJ Shore Conference is concerned, UConn could have done far worse for 2019 then adding Diamond Miller or Faith Mansonius to the roster........let's wait and compare them to any additional players UConn finds for next season............
 
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Charliebball said:
hmmmmmmm......Did I not see you mention that a certain Florida State player from CT has one more year of eligibility as a grad student? Was that statement made as a simple public service or in the context of a UConn player shortfall next season? You are really quite the obfuscator.
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I have mentioned several players here that would be eligible as graduate transfers next year. I AM NOT UCONN WCBB! Don't ever again confuse what I am doing or posting with anything that UCONN WCBB is doing or thinking! Your post accused UCONN of "checking other team's rosters for grads and malcontents". If that is not what you meant then go back and edit or delete it.
 
CocoHusky said:
I have mentioned several players here that would be eligible as graduate transfers next year. I AM NOT UCONN WCBB! Don't ever again confuse what I am doing or posting with anything that UCONN WCBB is doing or thinking! Your post accused UCONN of "checking other team's rosters for grads and malcontents". If that is not what you meant then go back and edit or delete it.
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believe me I don't confuse anything you do to be remotely on behalf of UConn basketball.................by checking I mean perusing the rosters which is certainly not the same as contacting individual players which would be a clear NCAA violation..............are you saying UConn hasn't or won't be doing that? In my opinion they sure better get started if they haven't already............
 
Charliebball said:
believe me I don't confuse anything you do to be remotely on behalf of UConn basketball.......by checking I mean perusing the rosters which is certainly not the same as contacting individual players which would be a clear NCAA violation....are you saying UConn hasn't or won't be doing that? In my opinion they sure better get started if they haven't already..
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That Geno intends to add players to the 2019-20 roster with either graduate transfers and or international players has been document in Hartford Courant and the New York Times articles and those articles have been linked here. I'll be sure to let Geno know that you think he is behind if he hasn't started already.

In Auriemma’s view, recruiting has become “too corporate; too many people involved in the process.” But he also remains convinced that he will stock UConn’s roster next season with top-shelf talent, perhaps including graduate transfers and international players. “I’m not worried about that,” he said.

Is UConn’s Dominance of Women’s Basketball Over? Cue Eye Rolls, for Now
 
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CocoHusky said:
I saw that and here is why that might not bee good news for UCONN.
If you look at the list of recent transfers from UCONN several were also players that walked away from their high school programs.
Courtney Ekmark-Home schooled her senior year.
Dejane Boykin-change high school to be with her brother.
Sadie Edwards-changed HS in CT to Blair Academy in NJ
AEH-Ossining to Blair then back to Ossining for senior year.
Additionally there must be something in the water at Duncanville that might be creating commitment issues.
The last few players out of that HS Cierra Johnson walked away from Louisville after 1 year and Zarielle Green changed her commitment from Kansas to TN at the 11th hour.
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When kids change schools, I start to worry. But kids who move to a more competitive program seem to be a different sort--Sue Bird from Syosset to Christ the King, Katie Lou Samuelson from Edison to Mater Dei, and Kaila Charles from Eleanor Roosevelt to Riverdale Baptist. Honesty Scott-Grayson went from one competitive program to another to another--Blair Academy to Paul VI to Riverdale Baptist. I don't want to be negative, but I don't expect her to stay at Baylor for 4 years.
 
Hannah Gusters has transferred and will now play with her friend Sarah Andrews. Maybe.


Five-star girls basketball recruit Hannah Gusters has transferred from nationally ranked Duncanville to Irving MacArthur, giving MacArthur the state's top two recruits in the Class of 2020. Whether Gusters will be able to play for MacArthur remains to be seen.

Irving MacArthur girls basketball coach Suzie Oelschlegel said Friday that Gusters has enrolled at MacArthur but declined to comment beyond that. Duncanville coach Cathy Self-Morgan declined to comment.

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If Self-Morgan marked on Gusters' Previous Athletic Participation Form that she thought Gusters transferred for athletic purposes, it would trigger a DEC meeting. If the DEC ruled that Gusters transferred for athletic purposes, she would not be eligible for varsity competition this season.


Hannah Gusters transfers from Duncanville to Irving MacArthur, giving MacArthur the state's top two hoops recruits
 
Sluconn Husky said:
Hannah Gusters has transferred and will now play with her friend Sarah Andrews. Maybe.


Five-star girls basketball recruit Hannah Gusters has transferred from nationally ranked Duncanville to Irving MacArthur, giving MacArthur the state's top two recruits in the Class of 2020. Whether Gusters will be able to play for MacArthur remains to be seen.

Irving MacArthur girls basketball coach Suzie Oelschlegel said Friday that Gusters has enrolled at MacArthur but declined to comment beyond that. Duncanville coach Cathy Self-Morgan declined to comment.

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If Self-Morgan marked on Gusters' Previous Athletic Participation Form that she thought Gusters transferred for athletic purposes, it would trigger a DEC meeting. If the DEC ruled that Gusters transferred for athletic purposes, she would not be eligible for varsity competition this season.


Hannah Gusters transfers from Duncanville to Irving MacArthur, giving MacArthur the state's top two hoops recruits
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surely her family must have known the consequences of transferring high schools .......
 
Txhoopsalot said:
The coach at Irving McArthur is a Baylor grad. The Duncanville coach is a Texas grad. The plot thickens.;)
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Texas certainly doesn't need another big, come to think of it Baylor has all of those super forwards too.............guess she might as leave the Lone Star State and do her thing in charming New England...............:rolleyes:
 
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Charliebball said:
thank God for that...whether it's something they've done or just pure luck you never know.
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Well some of both, but they do (trainers I assume) work on exercises that are supposed to help prevent ACL's.
 
meyers7 said:
Well some of both, but they do (trainers I assume) work on exercises that are supposed to help prevent ACL's.
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my daughter's orthopedist at the Hospital for Special Surgery who does work for the Knicks, Rangers and Yankees and also"fixed" her non professional knee, says that the female knee is simply structurally deficient and that while there are exercises that can strengthen the areas around the knee, if the knee is stressed in a certain way there is nothing that can be done to prevent damage............there are now three kids on my daughter's team that have had two ACL tears each..............once it happens the odds of a second injury are multiplied greatly............her team is down to a roster of seven from twelve four weeks ago..........knees, backs and a fractured arm.............another reason why I believe a bigger bench is better whether it's high school or especially big time college ball..........
 
Charliebball said:
it wouldn't be quite as big an issue if UConn had other somewhat lower ranked players coming in after the top players went elsewhere.....for seasons 19/20 and 20/21 it's a matter of recruiting enough players to suit up a competitive team with the requisite bench......
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I'm confident that UConn will manage to suit up a team next year and the year after.
 
Charliebball said:
2020 has to be like Noah's Ark....UConn has to offer at minimum two from every position, three for point guard....they simply have no choice if they want a 3-4 player class....
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I think UConn will be able to get a recruiting class without making 11 offers. We are not Louisville.
 
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JonathanXIV said:
I think UConn will be able to get a recruiting class without making 11 offers. We are not Louisville.
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how many would you suggest to land a four player class? UConn was 1-4 with the 2019 class although there may very well have been more offers that we are not aware of........
 
Charliebball said:
how many would you suggest to land a four player class? UConn was 1-4 with the 2019 class although there may very well have been more offers that we are not aware of...
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I'm not Geno, but I evidently have more faith in him than you do. What I can't understand is your repeated and repeated insistence that UConn abandon what has worked for over two decades, achieving an unimaginable level of success, to pursue a recruiting strategy that makes UConn just like everyone else.
 
UConn probably needs nine players in the next two classes in one form or another. I'd like to hear a few more names come up. Perhaps we're seeing more outreach with unranked Lauren Jensen now being watched.
 
JonathanXIV said:
I'm not Geno, but I evidently have more faith in him than you do. What I can't understand is your repeated and repeated insistence that UConn abandon what has worked for over two decades, achieving an unimaginable level of success, to pursue a recruiting strategy that makes UConn just like everyone else.
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I have great respect for the coach and the program but that doesn't mean that what's worked in the past will always work in the future..............Many may disagree but I believe recruiting is more competitive then it has ever been and that fewer of today's players are attracted to or willing to work to the rigors of the UConn system.............that's not just me talking that's Geno...............if that's the case you can either change the system which I do not want to see or you can cast a slightly wider net to look for players that meet at least most of the criteria if the top players you want choose to go elsewhere.............if UConn could snap their fingers and get Bueckers, Van Lith, Gusters, and say Dalayah Daniels I would say congrats we're done recruiting for 2020 but the odds of UConn successfully recruiting those four players is far less then 50%...............so let's say you get one of them...........what do you do next? You go find the next best players that can work within the system............it's not a big deal when you only need a player or two but if you look at the numbers over the next two years there is a serious shortage...............I'd be more then happy to hear another way to make this work but just saying trust in Geno didn't work for the 2019 class and I don't see UConn's recruiting odds to be that much better for 2020...........BTW that doesn't mean you have to be Louisville.................we're talking about making strategic offers specific to your needs, not throwing out offers at every highly ranked player without assessing how they'd fit into the program...........
 
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JonathanXIV said:
I'm not Geno, but I evidently have more faith in him than you do. What I can't understand is your repeated and repeated insistence that UConn abandon what has worked for over two decades, achieving an unimaginable level of success, to pursue a recruiting strategy that makes UConn just like everyone else.
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Sluconn Husky said:
UConn probably needs nine players in the next two classes in one form or another. I'd like to hear a few more names come up. Perhaps we're seeing more outreach with unranked Lauren Jensen now being watched.
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Players like Lauren Jensen are always being watched and evaluated across 3 classes simultaneously. @Charliebball wants to skip the evaluation and have UCONN just put an offer in their hands already.
 
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