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“In 2011, the university's total enrollment was 6,945. Since then, enrollment has dropped by nearly 2,000 students.”

Also saw this posted on College Sports 4Chan (CSNBBS).

Xavier Frosh enrollments YoY

2023: 1297
2024: 968
2025: Projected 800 but only 638 enrolled


Maybe someone has Intel on how the others are doing.

This is why I am so heavily skeptical about an ACC merge. Why would they hitch their wagons to something that is clearly withering away? The ACC would only take 3-4 programs.
 
ZooCougar said:
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“In 2011, the university's total enrollment was 6,945. Since then, enrollment has dropped by nearly 2,000 students.”

Also saw this posted on College Sports 4Chan (CSNBBS).

Xavier Frosh enrollments YoY

2023: 1297
2024: 968
2025: Projected 800 but only 638 enrolled


Maybe someone has Intel on how the others are doing.

This is why I am so heavily skeptical about an ACC merge. Why would they hitch their wagons to something that is clearly withering away? The ACC would only take 3-4 programs.
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I agree. UConn is the obvious one. The other choices are Villanova, Georgetown, St John, Creighton and Marquette. And of course Providence. Just kidding.
 
JwittersPAC said:
I agree. UConn is the obvious one. The other choices are Villanova, Georgetown, St John, Creighton and Marquette. And of course Providence. Just kidding.
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I don't know, Providence has as good as chance as anyone.

(Actually, I struggle to envision the non-football playing schools meaningfully participating in the ACC. The only opportunity I see is the fact that the ACC could likely afford to pay them a nominal amount which would still exceed what they get in the big east. The question is whether the media partners would be willing to pay for that, plus an additional amount to make every other school money. I'm not sure that "the math maths" on that.)
 
CL82 said:
I don't know, Providence has as good as chance as anyone.

(Actually, I struggle to envision the non-football playing schools meaningfully participating in the ACC. The only opportunity I see is the fact that the ACC could likely afford to pay them a nominal amount which would still exceed what they get in the big east. The question is whether the media partners would be willing to pay for that, plus an additional amount to make every other school money. I'm not sure that "the math maths" on that.)
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No they don’t. It’s going to be like pushing a boulder uphill for the tiny private Catholics.
 
Looks like they are trying to raise $500 million for expansion and open a medical school so looks like they are aware of the issue. Do they have any big money donors?
 
How Sway?! said:
Looks like they are trying to raise $500 million for expansion and open a medical school so looks like they are aware of the issue. Do they have any big money donors?
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Xavier has significant financial issues. Hired McKinsey to assist on reorganization. Main recommendation was to cut costs and increase tuition. Genius recommendations! Way to waste $2 million on a report (typical fees) Lol. Fitch downgraded their credit rating to negative. If I am Rick Pitino, I would be buying credit insurance to guarantee the payment of my salary. This could have been one of the reasons Sean Miller left. He could see the writing on the wall.
 
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JwittersPAC said:
Xavier has significant financial issues. Hired McKinsey to assist on reorganization. Main recommendation was to cut costs and increase tuition. Genius recommendations! Way to waste $2 million on a report (typical fees) Lol. Fitch downgraded their credit rating to negative. If I am Rick Pitino, I would be buying credit insurance to guarantee the payment of my salary. This could have been one of the reasons Sean Miller left. He could see the writing on the wall.
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I would say that the days are numbered at Xavier. I mean if their freshman enrollment was in the 600s then it's probably over.
 
Xavier could very well be in trouble, but this trend of bashing the league is getting old. The other 10 schools all have decent enrollments and are solid financial shape. For example, Butler actually welcomed its largest freshmen class in almost a decade this fall.
 
shizzle787 said:
Xavier could very well be in trouble, but this trend of bashing the league is getting old. The other 10 schools all have decent enrollments and are solid financial shape. For example, Butler actually welcomed its largest freshmen class in almost a decade this fall.
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Not sure anybody bashing the league. Just pointing out one member who is in financial trouble. Just like many other private colleges in other conferences.
 
shizzle787 said:
Xavier could very well be in trouble, but this trend of bashing the league is getting old. The other 10 schools all have decent enrollments and are solid financial shape. For example, Butler actually welcomed its largest freshmen class in almost a decade this fall.
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I’m not sure what standing around and pretending that everything is ok accomplishes. Surely it someone thought the Big East was in great shape they wouldn’t start a thread about how to fix each school.

DePaul is in trouble too. Overall enrollment is declining. International Student #s are cratering.

www.highereddive.com

DePaul University weighs budget measures amid cratering international enrollment

The private Chicago nonprofit is considering cutting executive pay and freezing staff hiring after new international graduate enrollment fell 62% from last year.
www.highereddive.com www.highereddive.com
 
ZooCougar said:
No they don’t. It’s going to be like pushing a boulder uphill for the tiny private Catholics.
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Doubt this ever happens, but for giggles, I could see the ACC only interested in large city schools, Georgetown, St. John’s, Nova and maybe DePaul for Chicago, but I’d give up Chicago to the B10. Based on rule #1 we are out.
 
It's not just the Big East Catholic schools that are having enrollment problems. There is a shrinking college-age population. The HBCU schools are in deep trouble. The Pennsylvania state college system (10 schools) is consolidating and closing campuses. People are questioning the value of a bachelor's degree vs. tech school training leading to sometimes greater salaries in the trades. The current political climate is making enrollment in U.S. universities less desirable and more difficult for foreign students. Universities with access to higher degrees and research are apparently doing okay.

 
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SU1968 said:
It's not just the Big East Catholic schools that are having enrollment problems. There is a shrinking college-age population. The HBCU schools are in deep trouble. The Pennsylvania state college system (10 schools) is consolidating and closing campuses. People are questioning the value of a bachelor's degree vs. tech school training leading to sometimes greater salaries in the trades. The current political climate is making enrollment in U.S. universities less desirable and more difficult for foreign students. Universities with access to higher degrees and research are apparently doing okay.

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Which hurts Catholic schools which concentrate on undergraduate studies and do not have large graduate studies or research.
 
ZooCougar said:
I’m not sure what standing around and pretending that everything is ok accomplishes. Surely it someone thought the Big East was in great shape they wouldn’t start a thread about how to fix each school.

DePaul is in trouble too. Overall enrollment is declining. International Student #s are cratering.

www.highereddive.com

DePaul University weighs budget measures amid cratering international enrollment

The private Chicago nonprofit is considering cutting executive pay and freezing staff hiring after new international graduate enrollment fell 62% from last year.
www.highereddive.com www.highereddive.com
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You have convinced me. UConn should rejoin the American. Bring on East Carolina!!!!
 
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SU1968 said:
It's not just the Big East Catholic schools that are having enrollment problems. There is a shrinking college-age population. The HBCU schools are in deep trouble. The Pennsylvania state college system (10 schools) is consolidating and closing campuses. People are questioning the value of a bachelor's degree vs. tech school training leading to sometimes greater salaries in the trades. The current political climate is making enrollment in U.S. universities less desirable and more difficult for foreign students. Universities with access to higher degrees and research are apparently doing okay.

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It isn't just, but it seems that high dollar small private institutions are struggling and it just so happens that the Big East is chock full of those.
 
ZooCougar said:
It isn't just, but it seems that high dollar small private institutions are struggling and it just so happens that the Big East is chock full of those.
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Georgetown BB apparently can't get anyone to come to their games these days. And they're undefeated.
 
ZooCougar said:
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“In 2011, the university's total enrollment was 6,945. Since then, enrollment has dropped by nearly 2,000 students.”

Also saw this posted on College Sports 4Chan (CSNBBS).

Xavier Frosh enrollments YoY

2023: 1297
2024: 968
2025: Projected 800 but only 638 enrolled


Maybe someone has Intel on how the others are doing.

This is why I am so heavily skeptical about an ACC merge. Why would they hitch their wagons to something that is clearly withering away? The ACC would only take 3-4 programs.
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These small privates are in big trouble
The ACC isn't taking another BC
 
ZooCougar said:
Beat me to it!

This place is so special. Xavier actually acknowledged that they have a big problem, but people here want to dismiss it as fake news. And for what?
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Applications to Xavier have surged over the past decade, up 60% (due to the common app), but the yield of accepted students has plummeted by about half. Oddly, SAT scores have gone up over time. Acceptance rates are in the high 80s, so they need to figure out how to improve their yield. Cincinnati, a direct competitor, has grown enrollment as they have increased their acceptance rate to the high 80%. And I would assume their addition to the Big 12 has increased their appeal to students.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
It’s not a straw man when those are the two options.
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Nobody is arguing for the AAC except for maybe the voices that haunt your head.

People are just pointing out that the Big East is literally a slow sinking ship.
 
Less domestic college-aged kids + less international students (due to policy and/or interest) sounds like a recipe for disaster for higher education.

In times like these is when people start to notice the great value of a strong state public university. I don't see schools like UConn, Stony Brook, Rutgers (N.B), Penn State (U.P) ever have to worry about these issues. They will take away prospective students from the small private U's.
 
ecasadoSBU said:
Less domestic college-aged kids + less international students (due to policy and/or interest) sounds like a recipe for disaster for higher education.

In times like these is when people start to notice the great value of a strong state public university. I don't see schools like UConn, Stony Brook, Rutgers (N.B), Penn State (U.P) ever have to worry about these issues. They will take away prospective students from the small private U's.
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Largely agree, but, for what it's worth, Penn State is seeing a reduction of applicants in its satellite campuses and is considering consolidating them.

You are absolutely correct that the small privates will be the first victims of any consolidation, but I think the consolidation may be pretty dramatic. I haven't looked into it deeply, but my suspicion is that the college education bubble, which has been inflated by student loans, primarily, and foreign students, secondarily, is about to burst. It's going to wipe out many of the smaller privates, and the contraction is going to be felt in the State University systems as well.
 
CL82 said:
Largely agree, but, for what it's worth, Penn State is seeing a reduction of applicants in its satellite campuses and is considering consolidating them.

You are absolutely correct that the small privates will be the first victims of any consolidation, but I think the consolidation may be pretty dramatic. I haven't looked into it deeply, but my suspicion is that the college education bubble, which has been inflated by student loans, primarily, and foreign students, secondarily, is about to burst. It's going to wipe out many of the smaller privates, and the contraction is going to be felt in the State University systems as well.
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Small, private, non-elite colleges are going to go extinct. It'll start at the bottom but work its way pretty high up that ladder I figure. In CT, I bet Mitchell and Albertus Magnus will close by 2035. Possibly U of Bridgeport as well
 
WrenchFan69 said:
Small, private, non-elite colleges are going to go extinct. It'll start at the bottom but work its way pretty high up that ladder I figure. In CT, I bet Mitchell and Albertus Magnus will close by 2035. Possibly U of Bridgeport as well
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I've never really understood why a lot of those schools still exist. Colleges (be they state or private) need to show their value. Value does not always mean cheapest. But poorly funded private schools tend to have the negatives of both big state schools and smaller private schools, without the positives of either. Why would a kid spend a dollar more to go to Caldwell College over Montclair State University (both near each other in NJ).

That being said, well funded, national private schools will continue to be fine. It's understandable why a New Jersey kid would choose to go to Franklin & Marshall (good, but maybe not "elite") over Penn State. The price difference is nominal (especially if you need financial aid) and they offer a very different experience.

A problem with the Big East Catholic schools is that outside Villanova and Georgetown (and maybe Providence), they don't give a lot of reason for a non-local kid to go there. And, if you're local, you're probably better off at an in-state public that is a fraction of the cost. Seton Hall is not a better school than many of the NJ state schools.
 
CL82 said:
Largely agree, but, for what it's worth, Penn State is seeing a reduction of applicants in its satellite campuses and is considering consolidating them.

You are absolutely correct that the small privates will be the first victims of any consolidation, but I think the consolidation may be pretty dramatic. I haven't looked into it deeply, but my suspicion is that the college education bubble, which has been inflated by student loans, primarily, and foreign students, secondarily, is about to burst. It's going to wipe out many of the smaller privates, and the contraction is going to be felt in the State University systems as well.
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Yeah. That's why I mentioned the flagship campus of those state universities. When times were good these State Universities got crazy and started expanding all over the place with small satellite campuses. The party is over and its time to consolidate back to the main campus.

Penn State has a bunch of satellite campuses with tiny enrollments. Rutgers, UConn went similar routes with satellite small campuses.

Even Stony Brook expanded to Manhattan and Southampton.

We'll have to see the fate of these as the landscape gets squeezed
 
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