Worried?

[meyers7]

One of them, ND, has a highly rated PG to replace SD.

And UCONN has a higher rated PG.

Baylor still has Simms next year. Yes, they won't have BG, but with their team leader coming back they will be better than we give them credit for now. Look at what ND did this year after 4 seniors graduated because SkyDig returned. Not many thought ND would be in the mix this year.

True but Baylor also loses Hayden, Madden, Williams and Pope. That's 70% of their scoring. Simms is good but that's a lot to make up. And ND didn't lose a Griner last year.

As to UConn's loss, I believe Kelly's not being here next year will be huge. More than people think. Again, I hope I am wrong.

I'm sure it will but UCONN has some players to make up for her. UCONN will most likely have 3 college AA's on their team. And 8 McD's AA's (granted that does not always turn into college AA's, but the raw talent is there).

UCONN's gonna be good, really good next year. UCONN is good, really good this year. A probable FF team with a decent shot at a NC.

 

[Storrsbred]

No I'm afraid you are the obstinate one. You claim ND's freshmen are better than UCONN's. But you base it on nothing. When shown statistically that that is not the case you still cling to your illusion.

Sure, you are entitled to an opinion, even if it is a dumb one.

Ah, the deity on the boneyard determining which opinions will be blessed.
I will state again, until this last game, Stewart, in "big" games didn't have a clue what or where she was supposed to do on offense or defense. MoJeff, can't even get in the game for meaningful minutes and until two games ago, Tuck (because of her injury) couldn't get in the game.

While the numbers may support your position/opinion, the eyeball test not so much. If you can't acknowledge the above, then give me a reason for their lack of being on the court in the "big" games, when some of UConn's players could have obviously used a blow.

Look, the reason this has gotten legs is someone stated that UConn had the best freshman class in the country. I think, on paper, that is probably correct. However, if one considers what has transpired on court, there is doubt to that claim. This opinion obviously has struck a nerve with those that most times are blind to anything posted not spouting the party line.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

My take on the season.

 

[OneTrickPony]

Ah, the deity on the boneyard determining which opinions will be blessed.
I will state again, until this last game, Stewart, in "big" games didn't have a clue what or where she was supposed to do on offense or defense. MoJeff, can't even get in the game for meaningful minutes and until two games ago, Tuck (because of her injury) couldn't get in the game.

While the numbers may support your position/opinion, the eyeball test not so much. If you can't acknowledge the above, then give me a reason for their lack of being on the court in the "big" games, when some of UConn's players could have obviously used a blow.

Look, the reason this has gotten legs is someone stated that UConn had the best freshman class in the country. I think, on paper, that is probably correct. However, if one considers what has transpired on court, there is doubt to that claim. This opinion obviously has struck a nerve with those that most times are blind to anything posted not spouting the party line.

You have every right to your opinions on basketball, but you lose me when you opine that your opinions cannot be challenged...of course, that's only my opinion...

 

[Storrsbred]

You have every right to your opinions on basketball, but you lose me when you opine that your opinions cannot be challenged...of course, that's only my opinion...

It's not the challenge, it's the label. It's agree or disagree, not smart or dumb. Just my opinion.

 

[OneTrickPony]

It's not the challenge, it's the label. It's agree or disagree, not smart or dumb. Just my opinion.

In a perfect world, perhaps...but an idea or an opinion can be labeled without turning it into an ad hominem attack. As a guest on this board, I would say the reaction here to posters stating negative opinions about the UCONN team are treated in a much more gentile fashion than I've seen elicited from similar posts made on other boards.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

It's not the challenge, it's the label. It's agree or disagree, not smart or dumb. Just my opinion.

I spent my professional life trying to convince University students that opinions must be thought through, examined, debated, supported...i.e. question most strongly that which you believe in most strongly. Indeed, to not be satisfied with “that is my opinion”.

You and I obviously disagree on this…and, with your position, further discussion is not needed or even possible, since you think what you think, and that is it.

 

[Storrsbred]

I spent my professional life trying to convince University students that opinions must be thought through, examined, debated, supported...i.e. question most strongly that which you believe in most strongly. Indeed, to not be satisfied with “that is my opinion”.

You and I obviously disagree on this…and, with your position, further discussion is not needed or even possible, since you think what you think, and that is it.

I agree with you. You see what you see and I see what I see. I also agree with your negative/positive comment above.

BTW, what university did you teach at and in what discipline?

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

I agree with you. You see what you see and I see what I see. I also agree with your negative/positive comment above.

BTW, what university did you teach at and in what discipline?

Psychology/Neuroscience.

 

[doggydaddy]

I agree with you. You see what you see and I see what I see.

That is not even close to what he was saying. He was just trying to be nice.

"You and I obviously disagree on this…and, with your position, further discussion is not needed or even possible, since you think what you think, and that is it."

In other words, he won't debate this with you because you are not open to other's opinion.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

I agree with you. You see what you see and I see what I see.

Somehow I get the feeling you have totally missed my point.

 

[Storrsbred]

That is not even close to what he was saying. He was just trying to be nice.

"You and I obviously disagree on this…and, with your position, further discussion is not needed or even possible, since you think what you think, and that is it."

In other words, he won't debate this with you because you are not open to other's opinion.

Really? Gosh, thanks for pointing that out. Did not realize I didn't appreciate other opinions.

 

[doggydaddy]

Really? Gosh, thanks for pointing that out. Did not realize I didn't appreciate other opinions.

Sarcasm aside, it was Ozzie that made the statement you didn't understand. Not me. I was just translating for you.

Say, what is the name of that highly ranked ND point guard that will seemlessly replace Diggins and be better than Jefferson next season? No fair looking it up.

 

[meyers7]

It's not the challenge, it's the label. It's agree or disagree, not smart or dumb. Just my opinion.

But it is a dumb opinion. Not backed up by anything, but...you're opinion. In fact it is pretty much refuted by statistical evidence. As has been shown you.

But hey, that's just.....my opinion.

For instance I may have an opinion that the sun is not very warm. However pretty much all evidence is to the contrary. Hence, that would be a pretty dumb opinion.

Just because it's an opinion doesn't make it a smart one.

 

[Storrsbred]

Sarcasm aside, it was Ozzie that made the statement you didn't understand. Not me. I was just translating for you.

Say, what is the name of that highly ranked ND point guard that will seemlessly replace Diggins and be better than Jefferson next season? No fair looking it up.

Well, again, I can only thank you for assuming I did not understand Ozzie's statement and translating it for me.

As to a "seamless" (I think this is how the word is spelled, but I am sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken) replacement, I don't recall anyone saying that. Also, don't recall anyone saying that Lloyd will be better than Jefferson next year. I was under the impression everyone was talking about the freshman classes of this year. You should have assumed I didn't know all this and translated it for me.

 

[meyers7]

Ah, the deity on the boneyard determining which opinions will be blessed.

Nah, I believe that is ice

I will state again, until this last game, Stewart, in "big" games didn't have a clue what or where she was supposed to do on offense or defense. MoJeff, can't even get in the game for meaningful minutes and until two games ago, Tuck (because of her injury) couldn't get in the game.

And yet they still contributed more than ND's freshmen.

While the numbers may support your position/opinion, the eyeball test not so much. If you can't acknowledge the above, then give me a reason for their lack of being on the court in the "big" games, when some of UConn's players could have obviously used a blow.

Well you got that right, the number do support our position. And the eyeball test does too. And they were on the court more than the ND freshmen.

Look, the reason this has gotten legs is someone stated that UConn had the best freshman class in the country. I think, on paper, that is probably correct. However, if one considers what has transpired on court, there is doubt to that claim. This opinion obviously has struck a nerve with those that most times are blind to anything posted not spouting the party line.

If you can come up with a freshmen class better, we'd be glad to listen. But as yet you have not.

 

[Icebear]

Psychology/Neuroscience.

We have quite a collection of psych types around here, don't we.

 

[doggydaddy]

Well, again, I can only thank you for assuming I did not understand Ozzie's statement and translating it for me.

As to a "seamless" (I think this is how the word is spelled, but I am sure someone will correct me if I am mistaken) replacement, I don't recall anyone saying that. Also, don't recall anyone saying that Lloyd will be better than Jefferson next year. I was under the impression everyone was talking about the freshman classes of this year. You should have assumed I didn't know all this and translated it for me.

Wow, correcting my spelling mistake. Always the sign of the losing side of an argument. Note, that I didn't make fun of your "That would be next season, 2114, right? " statement.

My bad, you didn't say that PG would be better than Jefferson. But you did say "One of them, ND, has a highly rated PG to replace SD."

Did you mean Loyd? Because she is not a point guard. With her assist to turnover ratio ND would be in big trouble. But that is just stats. I know you don't believe in them.

If you didn't mean Loyd, who did you mean?

 

[Wally East]

Stewart, in "big" games didn't have a clue what or where she was supposed to do on offense or defense.

In 10 games against teams ranked 15 or higher by one poll or the other, Stewie has averaged 9.4 ppg, 5.4 ppg, and 1.0 apg. Not jaw-dropping numbers but not bad. For the sake of comparison, a highly respected player has posted in those same games: 11.6, 6.3, and 4.8, which are better but not THAT much better (except for assists, obviously).

The perception of her might be colored by how she played in the last two big games, Baylor and ND.

 

[trisailin]

And what will it look like down the road? UConn will get some top-notch recruits, but despite Geno's statements (what's he going to say, after all?), its presence in The League With No Name will hurt his chances to consistently bring in the best. I doubt there will be any more UConn classes like the Fab Five combo of a few years ago.

Yes - we all know that the non-conference ND football team has really been pathetic ever since they haven't been a member of any conference.
We're doomed.

 

[meyers7]

Yes - we all know that the non-conference ND football team has really been pathetic ever since they haven't been a member of any conference.
We're doomed.

Well you are talking apples and well not even oranges, more like mushrooms with ND football and UCONN WBB.

And ND FB has had pretty bad run over the past 15 years or so.

 

[doggydaddy]

In 10 games against teams ranked 15 or higher by one poll or the other, Stewie has averaged 9.4 ppg, 5.4 ppg, and 1.0 apg. Not jaw-dropping numbers but not bad. For the sake of comparison, a highly respected player has posted in those same games: 11.6, 6.3, and 4.8, which are better but not THAT much better (except for assists, obviously).

The perception of her might be colored by how she played in the last two big games, Baylor and ND.

I think this posters perception is also colored by the one big game that Loyd had against Baylor.

 

[dakotaboy]

Just asking a question being a DIEHARD Uconn fan. We all know the Vols had one of the best womens basketball runs. Then we took that thrown from them and ran with it since 1995.

Sorry Buffett10 I think we made a splash in 1995, but we didn't take over the throne until 1999. The vols won three consecutive Championships in 1996, 1997 and 1998 (the Holdsclaw run). I don't believe it will die down. Everyone is panicking because we only have one recruit for 2013, but nobody panicked when we only had Kelly Farris as the lone recruit . We will bounce back. I'm sure of it

 

[doggydaddy]

ND - Loyd freshman of the year. Mabrey, Huffman not on the all-freshman team.

UConn - Stewart, Jefferson, on the all-freshman team. Tuck not there but could have been.

So, which team has the better freshman class? I don't even think it's close.

 

[Ozzie Nelson]

ND - Loyd freshman of the year. Mabrey, Huffman not on the all-freshman team.

UConn - Stewart, Jefferson, on the all-freshman team. Tuck not there but could have been.

So, which team has the better freshman class? I don't even think it's close.

Case closed.

 

[speedoo]

ND - Loyd freshman of the year. Mabrey, Huffman not on the all-freshman team.

UConn - Stewart, Jefferson, on the all-freshman team. Tuck not there but could have been.

So, which team has the better freshman class? I don't even think it's close.

Mabrey and Huffman will be benchwarmers for the duration at ND.

 

[easttexastrash]

I think that UCONN has the only fan base that expects to have a national championship contender every year, and with good reason. Most other universities, including Baylor, accept the notion that some years they may be title contenders and other years they won't. I don't expect Baylor to contend for a title next season, but I do expect them to contend the next year or year after. And I am fine with that.

UCONN's program is on a very different level than any other at the moment when it comes to title expectations. I doubt that it will always stay that way but for now it is. What a tremendous problem to have when you worry about being the national champion every season.

 

[cannon]

How many players are on all freshman teams? If they are five player teams and Jefferson made it, there were some serious snubs.

 

[doggydaddy]

How many players are on all freshman teams? If they are five player teams and Jefferson made it, there were some serious snubs.

Moriah Jefferson, UConn, G
x-Breanna Stewart, UConn, F
Chanise Jenkins, DePaul, G
Brooklyn Pumroy, Marquette, G
x-Jewell Loyd, Notre Dame, G
x-Aliyyah Handford, St. John’s, G
Kahleah Copper, Rutgers, G
Brianna Butler, Syracuse, G
x-Brittney Sykes, Syracuse, G
Alisia Jenkins, South Florida, F

Who would you put on instead of Jefferson?

 

[tomcat]

Oh, please. To compare UConn women's basketball to the money machine that is ND football is ridiculous. ND football can pick their 10 or 11 opponents annually because there are lots of them to go around. If you'd been paying attention, you would have heard Geno himself admit it would be extremely difficult for UConn or any other team fill out a year's schedule as an independent. And think about all the discussion that have occurred on this board -- perhaps you were not here for them -- about the fact that there are wonderful teams out there that simply won't play UConn because of their own league commitments and inability to come to an agreement on the home and home series details.

I absolutely love the tendency of some BYers, this one among them, to dismiss every negative analysis, whether well reasoned or idiotic as "we're doomed." Well no, we are not doomed. I don't know about you, but I'll still be here whether UConn ever plays another game or not. UConn most likely wil have a top 10 team for the foreseeable future. That does not, however, mean it will have the success it has had in the past and the success that I dare say many if not most BYers are accustomed to.