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With College Football Playoff change looming, a 12-team model leads the way (Yahoo/Thamel)

Nobody cares but it’s pretty nuts UConn voluntarily wound up making it way harder to ever make the playoff by leaving the AAC
 
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If this means 1) no more selection committee (Probably doesn't), and 2) that Notre Dame has to be ranked #12 at a minimum and still not be guaranteed a spot, then I think it's a start.

Caveat #2, with NDs following (i.e. money) and disbanding of the selection committee an improbability, they are most likely in the Playoff in that scenario.
 
This is basically the main thing that I was concerned about with going Independent - access (even just in perception) to the playoff.

At 4 or even 6 teams, there still wouldn't have been a chance in hell. But at 12? With the 6 top rated conference champions there could have been a punchers chance in hell.
 
This is amazing for the sport as a whole if it happens. Kudos to the CFP committee for going big to get it right. This is going to be awesome
 
I haven't seen anything yet, but I would not be shocked if Notre Dame gets some kind of exception for not being in a conference since their AD is on the committee working on this.

I cannot see Notre Dame just being OK with not having title to the top 6 conference champion group auto bid, unless they are comfortable based on past outcomes that they should haven't issue getting in as at large because of brand name.
 
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Storrs South said:
I haven't seen anything yet, but I would not be shocked if Notre Dame gets some kind of exception for not being in a conference since their AD is on the committee working on this.

I cannot see Notre Dame just being OK with not having title to the top 6 conference champion group auto bid, unless they are comfortable based on past outcomes that they should haven't issue getting in as at large because of brand name.
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Its worth noting Forde tweeted top 4 conference champions will get the byes too. So ND would’ve hosted Coastal in the first round last year despite being ranked fourth.
 
Storrs South said:
I haven't seen anything yet, but I would not be shocked if Notre Dame gets some kind of exception for not being in a conference since their AD is on the committee working on this.

I cannot see Notre Dame just being OK with not having title to the top 6 conference champion group auto bid, unless they are comfortable based on past outcomes that they should haven't issue getting in as at large because of brand name.
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Here's an exemption, have at least 10 P5 wins
 
Drew said:
Its worth noting Forde tweeted top 4 conference champions will get the byes too. So ND would’ve hosted Coastal in the first round last year despite being ranked fourth.
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Yea exactly. I should have clarified, a good ND team is getting in conference or not, but the issue is that first round bye. Do they get ACC "bye access" if and when Clemson is not the juggernaut it is today in a decade from now? I bet their AD pushed hard for it. Fair or not.
 
Drew said:
Nobody cares but it’s pretty nuts UConn voluntarily wound up making it way harder to ever make the playoff by leaving the AAC
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You don't live here, so you just don't get how much the CT fanbase loathed the AAC. Nothing was going to change that. Six years in and there would be big time college sports fans in my office that still couldnt name more than three teams in the AAC. And these are the kinds of people with season tickets to the Knicks, buyers of courtside seats for the Jimmy V classic, people that fly to the super bowls....etc. The AAC brand had no local traction.

But now you tell them its Nova - UConn or St John - UConn and their ears perk up. They get those teams, even if they think those schools aren't really big time anymore. The BE has schools that are relatable to UConn fans even if its not the same it was 20 years ago. SMU, ECU, Tulsa, Memphis was not the right company for UConn to hang with...it didn't work.
 
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pepband99 said:
State this after an 11-0 Bama team sits 1/2 their starters in an SECCG and gets an 8-4 Florida
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You're really arguing that Bama won't get an at large bid being 11-1? If 8-4 Florida beats 11-0 Bama then yes Florida should get in regardless of who starts for Bama. Bama is ESPN's darling so they'll get an at large bid because I doubt there is going to be a higher ranked team than Bama that isn't a conference champ at that point. Every other level of football has autobids for conference champs, it's downright ridiculous and complete moronic not to include every conference champ in the playoffs. You're stupid if you believe that autobids should be included in the playoffs.
 
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In the 2010 season when UConn made it to the Fiesta Bowl, using the final regular season AP Poll to rank teams, UConn (25) would have been the 8th highest ranked conference champion behind the SEC (1), MWC (3), Pac12 (2), Big 10 (4), ACC (12), Big 12 (9), and WAC (10). And, they would not have gotten an at-large bid. The playoff would have been made up of teams ranked 1-12.

Last year is interesting because of 2 non P-5 schools would have gotten one of the 6 top conference bids, Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina. The top 12 teams would have made the playoff, but the Pac 12 was out of the playoff. They played a shortened season, so hard to say the data point is solid.

End of the day, it looks like the top 12 teams will make the playoff (sometimes the top 11 plus an outlier conference champ) and UConn has about the same chance of making the playoff as an Indy or in the AAC.
 
A lot to digest in this (including breakdown of each committee by name):




->The working group was appointed by their management committee colleagues and has met over a two-year period to discuss possible new formats. The proposal calls for the bracket each year to include the six highest-ranked conference champions, plus the six highest-ranked other teams as determined by the College Football Playoff selection committee. No conference would qualify automatically and there would be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.

The four highest-ranked conference champions would be seeded one through four and each would receive a first-round bye, while teams seeded five through 12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. (The team ranked #5 would host #12; team #6 would meet team #11; team #7 would play team #10; and team #8 would meet #9.) Under the proposal, the quarterfinals and semifinals would be played in bowl games. The championship game would continue to be at a neutral site, as under the current format.

The four members of the working group (Big 12 Conference Commissioner Bob Bowlsby, Southeastern Conference Commissioner Greg Sankey, Mountain West Conference Commissioner Craig Thompson, and Notre Dame Athletics Director Jack Swarbrick) presented their recommendation today during a virtual meeting of the full management committee that administers the CFP.

The CFP management committee members are Mike Aresco, commissioner, American Athletic Conference; Bob Bowlsby, commissioner, Big 12 Conference; Keith Gill, commissioner, Sun Belt Conference; Judy MacLeod, commissioner, Conference USA; Jim Phillips, commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference; Greg Sankey, commissioner, Southeastern Conference; Larry Scott, commissioner, Pacific-12 Conference; John Steinbrecher, commissioner, Mid-American Conference; Jack Swarbrick, athletics director, Notre Dame; Craig Thompson, commissioner, Mountain West Conference; Kevin Warren, commissioner, Big Ten Conference.

The next step in the process is for the 11-member management committee to review the recommendation at its upcoming meeting in Chicago June 17-18.<-
 
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Guapo said:
Maybe if it does indeed only expand to 8. But I fail to see how 12 enhances the regular season.
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Every game matters.
 
UConnJim said:
In the 2010 season when UConn made it to the Fiesta Bowl, using the final regular season AP Poll to rank teams, UConn (25) would have been the 8th highest ranked conference champion behind the SEC (1), MWC (3), Pac12 (2), Big 10 (4), ACC (12), Big 12 (9), and WAC (10). And, they would not have gotten an at-large bid. The playoff would have been made up of teams ranked 1-12.

Last year is interesting because of 2 non P-5 schools would have gotten one of the 6 top conference bids, Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina. The top 12 teams would have made the playoff, but the Pac 12 was out of the playoff. They played a shortened season, so hard to say the data point is solid.

End of the day, it looks like the top 12 teams will make the playoff (sometimes the top 11 plus an outlier conference champ) and UConn has about the same chance of making the playoff as an Indy or in the AAC.
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So if I understand the effect from UConn's perspective AAC v. Indy, in both cases they would need to be ranked in the top 12 in the country to make it to the playoffs, only benefit of AAC (or being in a conference in general) would be potential for a first round bye (I know this is laughable to think about given program history, just trying to understand if conference affiliation even matters as a fan)?

EDIT: I think as you note there is one scenario where say UConn in the AAC is not top 12 (maybe like 15-20 range), and wins the conference title and it so happens that the best MWC team is between 20-25 and CUSA, etc are worse. So I think the two benefits, albeit unlikely, benefits of conference affiliation is top 4 conference winners get a bye and the ability as a top 20 instead of 12 to make it.
 
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Drew said:
Nobody cares but it’s pretty nuts UConn voluntarily wound up making it way harder to ever make the playoff by leaving the AAC
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Not so nuts given the financials of the AAC deal, the lack of exposure for UConn teams and the fact that UConn football has been in a decade long slump.
 
How many draftable kids are going to play in this sh1tshow? We’ll have Clemson JV playing UGa VJ in round 2. Fan- tactic
 
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Storrs South said:
So if I understand the effect from UConn's perspective AAC v. Indy, in both cases they would need to be ranked in the top 12 in the country to make it to the playoffs, only benefit of AAC (or being in a conference in general) would be potential for a first round bye (I know this is laughable to think about given program history, just trying to understand if conference affiliation even matters as a fan)?
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Maybe not so laughable given program history. We had two BE championships.
 
Storrs South said:
So if I understand the effect from UConn's perspective AAC v. Indy, in both cases they would need to be ranked in the top 12 in the country to make it to the playoffs, only benefit of AAC (or being in a conference in general) would be potential for a first round bye (I know this is laughable to think about given program history, just trying to understand if conference affiliation even matters as a fan)?

EDIT: I think as you note there is one scenario where say UConn in the AAC is not top 12 (maybe like 15-20 range), and wins the conference title and it so happens that the best MWC team is between 20-25 and CUSA, etc are worse. So I think the two benefits, albeit unlikely, benefits of conference affiliation is top 4 conference winners get a bye and the ability as a top 20 instead of 12 to make it.
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Just using past AAC team rankings in the CFP polls as an indication (they’ve gotten 5 of 7 NY6 bids) really the conference affiliation would’ve been enormous for UConn’s chances to make it. Memphis in 2019 is a great example- theyre in as #17 in the country as a conference champion. It’s much easier to win a division and upset someone in a conference title game (and if you’re in the AAC you’re the highest G5) than UConn making the top 12 rankings as an independent
 
UConnJim said:
In the 2010 season when UConn made it to the Fiesta Bowl, using the final regular season AP Poll to rank teams, UConn (25) would have been the 8th highest ranked conference champion behind the SEC (1), MWC (3), Pac12 (2), Big 10 (4), ACC (12), Big 12 (9), and WAC (10). And, they would not have gotten an at-large bid. The playoff would have been made up of teams ranked 1-12.

Last year is interesting because of 2 non P-5 schools would have gotten one of the 6 top conference bids, Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina. The top 12 teams would have made the playoff, but the Pac 12 was out of the playoff. They played a shortened season, so hard to say the data point is solid.

End of the day, it looks like the top 12 teams will make the playoff (sometimes the top 11 plus an outlier conference champ) and UConn has about the same chance of making the playoff as an Indy or in the AAC.
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Last year however cannot be pointed to as an example. Rather it is an outlier due to the craziness of the environment. Neither The Big Ten, nor Pac12 started on time and barely any program played out of Conference. Getting rid of the overly political selection committee is a great 1st step in this scenario.
 
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