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2) Of Bill Parcells and all of the NY fans

Bill Parcells was one of the bigger arsholes in the NFL. And I loved the guy.

4) Everyone loves a winner, yet the Pats are the most hated football team in the country. Pittsburgh is tied for the most in Super Bowl wins yet they are more loved. Dallas has 5 yet they are (for some unknown reason to me) far more beloved. So, it certainly must be a relief to you Pats fans to know you're the most hated.

It only matters what happened recently.

Everybody used to hate the Cowboys. Now they don't care because they aren't that good.

Patriots win, so they become popular, nation-wide. Everyone hates on that. And they hate the constant winning.

Same reason people hate the Warriors et al. For years, everybody hated the Yankees.

This is sports.
 
Meh, Just a few years ago the John Mara signed a confirmed wife abuser. The NFL even had had to protect his wife and kids from him at the Pro Bowl. Mara was aware of this. Let's leave aside their best ever franchise was a coke addict and a child abuser.
Yeah, he hasn't acknowledge that.
 
I would expect nothing less from someone in love with a second rate footie squad. Talk about drinking from Jim Jones' cup. Who evidently has some really pond scum fans, some of the worst in football. I think now I understand why you identify with such tools. At least they're not the most racist, Man U has them beat easily. But they're up there per capita, aren't they?
Footie squad sounds like Rex Ryan (former jet coach) trying to appease his fetish here
 
Bill Parcells was one of the bigger arsholes in the NFL. And I loved the guy.



It only matters what happened recently.

Everybody used to hate the Cowboys. Now they don't care because they aren't that good.

Patriots win, so they become popular, nation-wide. Everyone hates on that. And they hate the constant winning.

Same reason people hate the Warriors et al. For years, everybody hated the Yankees.

This is sports.
Yet even when the Steelers and the 49ers were winning they weren't hated. The Yankees buy championships, but people hate them because of their whining, over expectant fans just as much as their ridiculous 27 titles. People as a rule in this country loved Dallas, win or lose, and loved them when they were winning titles. They are still referred to as America's team. I hate them because their fans are delusional. Seattle was never hated by fans. The Lakers during all their winning years with Magic and with Kobi were loved. The Bulls and Jordan were liked, not loved, but not hated. Yet fans love to hate the Pats. Now, some people hate the Warriors, but the majority of fans in this country love them. So I really think your conceit is wrong.
 
Footie squad sounds like Rex Ryan (former jet coach) trying to appease his fetish here
Yeah, well the brunt of my post knows that in England the game is often referred to as "footie". But I'm well aware of how odd and silly it sounds to us in the colonies.
 
People as a rule in this country loved Dallas, win or lose, and loved them when they were winning titles.

Wha, wha, wha what?????????? I lived in Denver during much of their winning run, and i can assure you, the Cowboys were despised in a HUGE way during that time. The hate was palpable, widespread, and incessant - virtually nobody out there was a Cowboy fan. They were roundly mocked as "America's team" by all, me included.
 
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Yet even when the Steelers and the 49ers were winning they weren't hated. The Yankees buy championships, but people hate them because of their whining, over expectant fans just as much as their ridiculous 27 titles. People as a rule in this country loved Dallas, win or lose, and loved them when they were winning titles. They are still referred to as America's team. I hate them because their fans are delusional. Seattle was never hated by fans. The Lakers during all their winning years with Magic and with Kobi were loved. The Bulls and Jordan were liked, not loved, but not hated. Yet fans love to hate the Pats. Now, some people hate the Warriors, but the majority of fans in this country love them. So I really think your conceit is wrong.

First of all, it's not a universal rule (there are none). It's just far more likely.

Secondly, America and sports have changed socio-culturally from way back in the day. The level of focus on sports/culture (and negativity) was not in play. Winners were lauded and revered. Which is why guys like Lombardi and Wooden were heroes. It was a far simpler time. Things started to change in the late 80s I'd say. We now live in a very envious, jealous culture.

Winning too much causes a team to be front and center all the time. Too much media. Everybody always says "I so SICK of the 'fill in the blank'. Wish they would just lose already." They find reasons to hate the team. It doesn't matter what that reason is.

I'm not sure where your social cultural measurements are coming from, but from the internet and irl, you're off about a lot of those.

Yankees: it doesn't matter why people hate them. It's that they hate them. If they didn't win, nobody would care.
Dallas: Maybe you live in Dallas? Everywhere else they were disliked. Too many bandwagoners. Only Dallas fans and people who like to quote stuff from 30 years ago call them "America's team" anymore. People think their owner is a loser, their culture kinda toxic, and their fans annoying. If they weren't winning at the time nobody would care.
Lakers: Kobi was one of the most universally hated basketball stars. And nobody liked those Lakers except when Shaq was on them because Shaq is in his own universe.
Warriors: then you know entirely different (smallish) set of people. Most NBA fans are rooting for the Warriors to lose, because they "killed the NBA". Quick sample of the mens board it's probably about a 98% hate to love ratio. If they weren't winning nobody would care.
Seattle?: We talking Seahawks? They didn't win enough. But nobody liked their fans. The 12th man BS.
Alabama: College football fans love to hate Alabama. They win too much.
Duke: Most hated team in MCBB. They won too much.

Patriots are hated because of too much winning and the annoying fans that go along with that. People loved the Patriots at the start of the dynasty. They were new and fresh.

After awhile, they are just front and center too often. Their fans become annoying. Their head coach is a grouch. Their quarterback has everything: money, fame, rings, supermodel wife, perfect everything.

Ultimately, people are jealous. We love to hate nowadays.

I'll ask you again, if they weren't winning so much, would anyone care?

No. They wouldn't.
 
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Wha, wha, wha what?????????? I loved in Denver during much of their winning run, and i can assure you, the Cowboys were despised in a HUGE way during that time. The hate was palpable, widespread, and incessant - virtually nobody out there was a Cowboy fan. They were roundly mocked as "America's team" by all, me included.
Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe I over sold the Dallas likability thing a bit. They are still more liked than the Pats.
 
Wha, wha, wha what?????????? I loved in Denver during much of their winning run, and i can assure you, the Cowboys were despised in a HUGE way during that time. The hate was palpable, widespread, and incessant - virtually nobody out there was a Cowboy fan. They were roundly mocked as "America's team" by all, me included.
Yeah, you got it right! Cowboys did rot and I still root for whomever they play. I did have great respect for Landry and feel he got a raw deal, upon departure. I did like Staubach, being a Navy vet. Beyond respect for those 2, I couldn't stomach the rest of the team.
 
First of all, it's not a universal rule (there are none). It's just far more likely.

Secondly, America and sports have changed socio-culturally from way back in the day. The level of focus on sports/culture (and negativity) was not in play. Winners were lauded and revered. Which is why guys like Lombardi and Wooden were heroes. It was a far simpler time. Things started to change in the late 80s I'd say. We now live in a very envious, jealous culture.

Winning too much causes a team to be front and center all the time. Too much media. Everybody always says "I so SICK of the 'fill in the blank'. Wish they would just lose already." They find reasons to hate the team. It doesn't matter what that reason is.

I'm not sure where your social cultural measurements are coming from, but from the internet and irl, you're off about a lot of those.

Yankees: it doesn't matter why people hate them. It's that they hate them. If they didn't win, nobody would care.
Dallas: Maybe you live in Dallas? Everywhere else they were disliked. Too many bandwagoners. Only Dallas fans and people who like to quote stuff from 30 years ago call them "America's team" anymore. People think their owner is a loser, their culture kinda toxic, and their fans annoying. If they weren't winning at the time nobody would care.
Lakers: Kobi was one of the most universally hated basketball stars. And nobody liked those Lakers except when Shaq was on them because Shaq is in his own universe.
Warriors: then you know entirely different (smallish) set of people. Most NBA fans are rooting for the Warriors to lose, because they "killed the NBA". Quick sample of the mens board it's probably about a 98% hate to love ratio. If they weren't winning nobody would care.
Seattle?: We talking Seahawks? They didn't win enough. But nobody liked their fans. The 12th man BS.
Alabama: College football fans love to hate Alabama. They win too much.

Patriots are hated because of too much winning and the annoying fans that go along with that. People loved the Patriots at the start of the dynasty. They were new and fresh.

After awhile, they are just front and center too often. Their fans become annoying. Their head coach is a grouch. Their quarterback has everything: money, fame, rings, supermodel wife, perfect everything.

Ultimately, people are jealous.

I'll ask you again, if they weren't winning so much, would anyone care?

No. They wouldn't.
I disagree. You know, they took a poll last year and of course, the Pats were most hated. Do you know who was top 5? The Jets. A mediocre, irrelevant team that won a single Super Bowl back in 1969. Hated more than the Giants. So obviously, people care.

Yeah, Kobi was hated, and the people hated his team after Shaq. But not with Shaq, and people loved the Magic teams. Now they're liked, not hated.

People rooted against the Warriors, but they never hated them. In fact, their players were loved, and they still are.
 
Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe I over sold the Dallas likability thing a bit. They are still more liked than the Pats.

Well if it makes you feel any better..... I hate the Cowboys more than.the Pats, though I strongly dislike the Pats.... and the Jets, throw in the Eagles and the Redskins. I used to dislike the Giants... though that has changed in the past few months and I will be buying some Giant merchandise in the next few days.
 
I disagree. You know, they took a poll last year and of course, the Pats were most hated. Do you know who was top 5? The Jets. A mediocre, irrelevant team that won a single Super Bowl back in 1969. Hated more than the Giants. So obviously, people care.

Yeah, Kobi was hated, and the people hated his team after Shaq. But not with Shaq, and people loved the Magic teams. Now they're liked, not hated.

People rooted against the Warriors, but they never hated them. In fact, their players were loved, and they still are.

I didn't say it's the only reason teams are hated and liked, just the most powerful one.
  • Jets: the reason they were voted there is because Pats and Giants fans happen to be two of the most engaged fanbases on the internet. And they both hate the Jets. I'm willing to bet that poll was 60% Pats fans].
  • Warriors: who are you talking to? Draymond Green is one of the most hated players in the league. Durant is universally mocked as soft. Curry is considered an obnoxious prima donna. Nobody likes Boogie Cousins. Klay is universally loved because Klay is cool.
Again, if the Pats weren't winning so much, they wouldn't be hated. Nobody would care. Most fans I talk to say, "I don't hate the Pats players. Just the team. The fans. The head coach." And yes some say the QB. But it's usually because he's ripped their hearts out.

But you've also gotta take the Patriots in context. Modern day NFL is America's most popular sport, with the most passionate fans. It's built to be a meritocracy, where 'Dynasty's' are short lived.

What the Patriots have done in today's day and age is patently absurd. It's just too much over too long a period for anyone not their fans. So people hate them for all sorts of reasons. They just got lucky with two of (if not THE) best to ever do it as QB/HC.

But THIS is the main reason. It's simply not fair.

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Well if it makes you feel any better..... I hate the Cowboys more than.the Pats, though I strongly dislike the Pats.... and the Jets, throw in the Eagles and the Redskins. I used to dislike the Giants... though that has changed in the past few months and I will be buying some Giant merchandise in the next few days.
Yes I feel much better. You seem to have a thing against the Eastern Conference, Eastern Division teams. Although how anyone could hate the Jets, a team where the phrase under performed would be a complement, puzzles me. But it seems you're not alone. Perhaps people despise substandard play. Yet, the Browns aren't hated as much. A puzzlement for sure.
 
I didn't say it's the only reason teams are hated and liked, just the most powerful one.
  • Jets: the reason they were voted that is because Pats and Giants fans happen to be two of the most engaged fanbases on the internet. And they hate the Jets. I'm willing to bet that poll was 60% Pats fans].
  • Warriors: who are you talking to? Most people in the NBA dislike Draymond Green. Durant is universally mocked as soft. Curry is considered an obnoxious prima donna. Nobody likes Boogie Cousins. Klay is universally loved because Klay is cool.
Again, if the Pats weren't winning so much, they wouldn't be hated. Nobody would care. Most fans I talk to say, "I don't hate the Pats players. Just the team. The fans. The head coach." And yes some say the QB. But it's usually because he's ripped their hearts out.

But you've also gotta take the Patriots in context. Modern day NFL is America's most popular sport, with the most passionate fans. It's built to be a meritocracy, where 'Dynasty's' are short lived.

What the Patriots have done in today's day and age is patently absurd. It's just too much over too long a period for anyone not their fans. So people hate them for all sorts of reasons. They just got lucky with two of (if not THE) best to ever do it as QB/HC.

But THIS is the main reason:

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Pats fans hate the Jets? That's like hating that single ant you stepped on while you're walking to work. That's just silly. Now, if you said Pats fans hated the Giants, I got you. Yet, if the Pats and Giants are such "engaged" teams, on the internet, why aren't they the most liked in the country. Silly.
 
Pats fans hate the Jets? That's like hating that single ant you stepped on while you're walking to work. That's just silly. Now, if you said Pats fans hated the Giants, I got you. Yet, if the Pats and Giants are such "engaged" teams, on the internet, why aren't they the most liked in the country. Silly.

Dude, we don't like the Jets. And their fans. Even though we beat all over them. It's been a long term thing. It comes from being a divisions rival, having both our head coaches going from one to the other (Parcells/BB). They take all the players we cut. You just build up animosity over time.

Pats don't play the Giants enough. Hard to build up that hate if you don't. Although there are plenty still bitter about two Superbowls.

The Jets thing has waned a bit in recent years, due to their ineptitude, but the fans would ding the hell out of a poll like the one you mentioned, just for yuks. We still take great pleasure in their every failing*. But if they start winning, look out.

The Yanks and Red Sox hated each other, even when the Sox hadn't won crap for 85 years. Sox were the ugly step brother. It's simply a NY Boston thing.

*Ironically, the Jets are responsible for our greatest triumph. Mo Lewis knocking out Drew Bledsoe to usher in the Tom Brady era (early) was a coup for us.
 
But I'd still have flayed him for cheating. I'd still call him a butthole with the press. I'd still call him arrogant. You seem to forget, we NY fans are brutally honest (except for Yankee fans) about coaches and players, and the press is fearless. Pat fans and the media have rose colored glasses about this guy, we NY-ers would not. In fact, Pats fans have far more in common with Yankee fans than they do with any other type of sports fan in the country. Dallas fans are delusional, and they don't count.
Looks like I've got a trifecta! Bigtime Yankees, Cowboys and Patriots fan, and proud of it. The 5 teams I have set for notifications on ESPN.com:

UConn WBB (lived in CT for 20 years during the rise of Geno, 1st NC, through the DT years)
Oklahoma Football (alma mater)
Cowboys (born & raised in Oklahoma - closest NFL team)
Patriots (started following when Chuck Fairbanks left Oklahoma to coach the Pats, then lived in New England for 20 years)
Yankees (first MLB game @ 9 years old got to see Oklahoma hero Mickey Mantle play, plus saw Maris hit 2 of his 61)

I don't hate back much though. (Exceptions: I hate Texas and Tennessee)
 
Looks like I've got a trifecta! Bigtime Yankees, Cowboys and Patriots fan, and proud of it. The 5 teams I have set for notifications on ESPN.com:

UConn WBB (lived in CT for 20 years during the rise of Geno, 1st NC, through the DT years)
Oklahoma Football (alma mater)
Cowboys (born & raised in Oklahoma - closest NFL team)
Patriots (started following when Chuck Fairbanks left Oklahoma to coach the Pats, then lived in New England for 20 years)
Yankees (first MLB game @ 9 years old got to see Oklahoma hero Mickey Mantle play, plus saw Maris hit 2 of his 61)

I don't hate back much though. (Exceptions: I hate Texas and Tennessee)
Lucky you. Waiter, check!
 
I would expect nothing less from someone in love with a second rate footie squad. Talk about drinking from Jim Jones' cup. Who evidently has some really pond scum fans, some of the worst in football. I think now I understand why you identify with such tools. At least they're not the most racist, Man U has them beat easily. But they're up there per capita, aren't they?
That 2nd rate squad that's never been relegated? That 2nd rate squad with the most FA titles? That 2nd rate squad with the 3rd most League Championship titles? The only EPL club ever to go a season undefeated? That 2nd rate club??? Yea, there's reasons to love them.

As for racist? Nah, their fan base is pretty diverse. Probably should actually look into that before spouting off a bunch of bull. ;)
 
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That 2nd rate squad that's never been relegated? That 2nd rate squad with the most FA titles? That 2nd rate squad with the 3rd most League Championship titles? The only EPL club ever to go a season undefeated? That 2nd rate club??? Yea, there's reasons to love them.

As for racist? Nah, their fan base is pretty diverse. Probably should actually look into that before spouting off a bunch of bull. ;)
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At least I own it.
 
I've already consumed more popcorn reading this thread than an average bear eats in, errrm.... a month of Sundays. I'm sure Howard Cosell and Frank and Dandy Dan
would have had fun doing the play-by-play.

I have no passion for or against the Pats, though I live in Maine, and thus am surrounded by rabid, often obnoxious fans who curiously refer to our southern neighbors as "Massholes" when discussing anything other than sports.

I am left with a question. It is one that most any red-blooded UConn WBB fan should be happy to tackle with vigor and vim and strong language.

What do we call a very talented, successful, skilled basketball player who has no need to play dirty, yet does so?
(Psst! Initials are A. O.)

Following along those lines, what do we call a very talented, skilled and successful NFL coach who has no need to skate outside the lines of propriety, yet does so?

How can some of us have deep—and I would argue, appropriate—disdain for the former, while letting the latter off with a wink and a nod? Expiring minds want to know.
 
I've already consumed more popcorn reading this thread than an average bear eats in, errrm.... a month of Sundays. I'm sure Howard Cosell and Frank and Dandy Dan
would have had fun doing the play-by-play.

I have no passion for or against the Pats, though I live in Maine, and thus am surrounded by rabid, often obnoxious fans who curiously refer to our southern neighbors as "Massholes" when discussing anything other than sports.

I am left with a question. It is one that most any red-blooded UConn WBB fan should be happy to tackle with vigor and vim and strong language.

What do we call a very talented, successful, skilled basketball player who has no need to play dirty, yet does so?
(Psst! Initials are A. O.)

Following along those lines, what do we call a very talented, skilled and successful NFL coach who has no need to skate outside the lines of propriety, yet does so?

How can some of us have deep—and I would argue, appropriate—disdain for the former, while letting the latter off with a wink and a nod? Expiring minds want to know.

Totally different games, but I'll play.
  • Because he's not trying to physically hurt anybody.
  • The NFL rules are constructed in such a way, that you try to push the limits of what's possible.
  • Half of the game itself is trying to trick the other team by whatever means necessary.
  • If you know the rules better, you can manipulate them better.
  • What Belichick does in general pretty light weight compared to much of what goes on in the league, from owners on down. Especially outside the game.
 
I've already consumed more popcorn reading this thread than an average bear eats in, errrm.... a month of Sundays. I'm sure Howard Cosell and Frank and Dandy Dan
would have had fun doing the play-by-play.

I have no passion for or against the Pats, though I live in Maine, and thus am surrounded by rabid, often obnoxious fans who curiously refer to our southern neighbors as "Massholes" when discussing anything other than sports.

I am left with a question. It is one that most any red-blooded UConn WBB fan should be happy to tackle with vigor and vim and strong language.

What do we call a very talented, successful, skilled basketball player who has no need to play dirty, yet does so?
(Psst! Initials are A. O.)

Following along those lines, what do we call a very talented, skilled and successful NFL coach who has no need to skate outside the lines of propriety, yet does so?

How can some of us have deep—and I would argue, appropriate—disdain for the former, while letting the latter off with a wink and a nod? Expiring minds want to know.
In these two cases I respect both as performers on the field. I despise Belichick as a person, and I believe to this day he still cheats. I also believe most coaches in the NFL cheat; I believe that most if not all NFL coach skate outside the lines. What defines Belichick is that he does it better than everyone else. He does everything better than everyone else. Everyone is playing "go fish" while he is playing "Go". What do you call him? The Sun-Tzu of football. Despicable and ruthless, but a master.

A.O. on the other hand made some mistakes. She was a child. Given the opportunity odds are she would have done some things differently. I just don't see a pattern of behavior in the things she did. Now Mabrey was a different story. But that's for another time. A.O. did some despicable acts, but I don't see her as a terrible person. I also see her game somewhat immature. Given the opportunity however I believe she will become a great offensive player, not just a scorer and a ball hog. What would I call her? Womanchild.
 
Love him with the press? Haven't you seen the reaction to the Jets new coach and how people here said he looked insane? He hadn't even coached a day. Parcells was basically the same way with the press as Belichick, and he was called a jerk by fans and the media here so often it became a joke. At least he had a sense of humor. Clearly you don't know the history of how the media and fans here deal with coaches. As for how he explained his cheating, you just keep on believing his reasoning. Remember, it was an ex coach of his, Manzini, that ratted him out, and he said that and other things had been going on for a long time.

I think you forget that Mangini was caught video taping the Patriots first and his camera man removed from the stadium. Mangini attempted the same in retaliation, but got the NFL involved. Lots of teams had been taping for a long time before this all blew up.

Here's an article that discusses the whole spygate issue in more detail. It's not nearly as cut and dried as you like to make out. The Truth About Spygate: Punishing Success and Promoting Parity
 
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I think you forget that Mangini was caught video taping the Patriots first and his camera man removed from the stadium. Mangini attempted the same in retaliation, but got the NFL involved. Lots of teams had been taping for a long time before this all blew up.
Here's an article that discusses the whole spygate issue in more detail. It's not nearly as cut and dried as you like to make out. The Truth About Spygate: Punishing Success and Promoting Parity

And the only reason they blew it up is because the Pats were winning. If another team got 'caught' then, it wouldn't have even registered.

Investigations are pushed by opposing owners, a notoriously jealous and petty bunch.
 
And the only reason they blew it up is because the Pats were winning. If another team got 'caught' then, it wouldn't have even registered.

Investigations are pushed by opposing owners, a notoriously jealous and petty bunch.
Say as you like. Dungy and others had been complaining about the Pats long before Mangini. A thorough article that blames it all on the leagues push to punish success, move toward more parity, and cast aspersions on Dungy, Schottenheimer and Edwards and their practices, with a little hint at a Jet bias by the commissioner. Without proof I might add.
 
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And the only reason they blew it up is because the Pats were winning. If another team got 'caught' then, it wouldn't have even registered.

Investigations are pushed by opposing owners, a notoriously jealous and petty bunch.

100% spot on - and 100% true. Much ado about absolutely nothing.

If other NFL owners feel they can weaken the Patriots in any way, they will take that path in a heartbeat.
 
Say as you like. Dungy and others had been complaining about the Pats long before Mangini.

Dungy and those guys were getting their asses handed to them. He's always been a hypocrite anyway (don't get me started). Football guys like Bill Cowher (one of those who could have complained having directly lost to the Pats) have always thought it nonsense:

“We didn’t lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things,” Cowher said. “I think if they’re guilty of anything, they’re guilty of arrogance, because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does. The only thing they got caught [was] doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that.
“Part of the things we had [were] wristbands that we were using to do it. It’s not even an element anymore because of the communications that take place on the field to the quarterback, to the linebacker. So it’s an element of the game that doesn’t exist, and really, what happened when we lost that game is they outplayed us, and it has nothing to do with stealing signals, or cheating, or anything else. They were a better football team on that day.”

A thorough article that blames it all on the leagues push to punish success, move toward more parity, and cast aspersions on Dungy, Schottenheimer and Edwards and their practices, with a little hint at a Jet bias by the commissioner. Without proof I might add.

There's plenty of articles that pertain to the same stuff. But one thing I do know is that people LOVE to write hit pieces about the Pats. Why? Because they get clicks. People have made careers by doing this.

For another example of the hypocrisy of owners driving this stuff, take John Mara again (when they skated on the walkie talkie scandal):

Source The Giants unwittingly, and ironically, have done plenty in the past two Sundays to exonerate the Patriots for #DeflateGate. Yes, Giants co-owner John Mara is believed to have lobbied (along with others) for unreasonably stiff punishment of the Patriots. … [T]he Giants forced the NFL into a clumsy, awkward spot by complaining about Pittsburgh footballs under circumstances that could have been easily explained by natural deflation on a cold day. The NFL couldn’t say that without indirectly clearing the Patriots, so the NFL initially circled the wagons — and then eventually veered off script with a comment that later had to be described as the product of a misstatement.
As to the walkie-talkie scandal, the looming decision to give the Giants a relative slap on the wrist for a blatant and brazen violation of a known rule shows how bizarre it was to hammer the Patriots for a rule that was, essentially, the exact opposite.

You'll notice how it's openly stated that the owners drive these things? That's a well known secret. Spygate was driven by Jerry Jones, Woody Johnson and a few others.

Here's another example of what I'm talking about. Everybody gets morally objectionable when it comes to others, but deep down, they are all trying to beat the system in their own way. Even 'honorable' legends like Jerry Rice (this one cracks me up):

Rice On Deflategate: “I’m going to be point blank, I feel like it’s cheating. Because you have an edge up on your opponent and it’s unfortunate that it happened. I’ve played in cold weather, I know how hard the football is and you can grip the leather just a little bit better [if a football is deflated].
“I think you have to really put an asterisk on it, because this is going to follow them, you know, for the rest of their lives, because when you look at it, when people go back and they think about the New England Patriots they’re going to think about these controversies,” Rice continued. “I’ve always wanted to do things the right way. I didn’t want to take any short cuts or anything like that.”

At a later date, Rice On His own career: “I know this might be a little illegal, guys, but I just put a little spray, a little stickum on them, to make sure that texture is a little sticky,” Rice said. Talking about his gloves.

Poor Jerry forgetting the fact that stickum was highly illegal at the time.
 
Dungy and those guys were getting their asses handed to them. He's always been a hypocrite anyway (don't get me started). Football guys like Bill Cowher (one of those who could have complained having directly lost to the Pats) have always thought it nonsense:

“We didn’t lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things,” Cowher said. “I think if they’re guilty of anything, they’re guilty of arrogance, because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does. The only thing they got caught [was] doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that.
“Part of the things we had [were] wristbands that we were using to do it. It’s not even an element anymore because of the communications that take place on the field to the quarterback, to the linebacker. So it’s an element of the game that doesn’t exist, and really, what happened when we lost that game is they outplayed us, and it has nothing to do with stealing signals, or cheating, or anything else. They were a better football team on that day.”



There's plenty of articles that pertain to the same stuff. But one thing I do know is that people LOVE to write hit pieces about the Pats. Why? Because they get clicks. People have made careers by doing this.

For another example of the hypocrisy of owners driving this stuff, take John Mara again (when they skated on the walkie talkie scandal):

Source The Giants unwittingly, and ironically, have done plenty in the past two Sundays to exonerate the Patriots for #DeflateGate. Yes, Giants co-owner John Mara is believed to have lobbied (along with others) for unreasonably stiff punishment of the Patriots. … [T]he Giants forced the NFL into a clumsy, awkward spot by complaining about Pittsburgh footballs under circumstances that could have been easily explained by natural deflation on a cold day. The NFL couldn’t say that without indirectly clearing the Patriots, so the NFL initially circled the wagons — and then eventually veered off script with a comment that later had to be described as the product of a misstatement.
As to the walkie-talkie scandal, the looming decision to give the Giants a relative slap on the wrist for a blatant and brazen violation of a known rule shows how bizarre it was to hammer the Patriots for a rule that was, essentially, the exact opposite.

You'll notice how it's openly stated that the owners drive these things? That's a well known secret. Spygate was driven by Jerry Jones, Woody Johnson and a few others.

Here's another example of what I'm talking about. Everybody gets morally objectionable when it comes to others, but deep down, they are all trying to beat the system in their own way. Even 'honorable' legends like Jerry Rice (this one cracks me up):

Rice On Deflategate: “I’m going to be point blank, I feel like it’s cheating. Because you have an edge up on your opponent and it’s unfortunate that it happened. I’ve played in cold weather, I know how hard the football is and you can grip the leather just a little bit better [if a football is deflated].
“I think you have to really put an asterisk on it, because this is going to follow them, you know, for the rest of their lives, because when you look at it, when people go back and they think about the New England Patriots they’re going to think about these controversies,” Rice continued. “I’ve always wanted to do things the right way. I didn’t want to take any short cuts or anything like that.”

At a later date, Rice On His own career: “I know this might be a little illegal, guys, but I just put a little spray, a little stickum on them, to make sure that texture is a little sticky,” Rice said. Talking about his gloves.

Poor Jerry forgetting the fact that stickum was highly illegal at the time.

Blasphemous. John Mara is all class.:rolleyes:
 
Dungy and those guys were getting their asses handed to them. He's always been a hypocrite anyway (don't get me started). Football guys like Bill Cowher (one of those who could have complained having directly lost to the Pats) have always thought it nonsense:

“We didn’t lose the game because of any Spygate, because of them having any additional things,” Cowher said. “I think if they’re guilty of anything, they’re guilty of arrogance, because they were told not to do something. But it was something that everybody does. The only thing they got caught [was] doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that.
“Part of the things we had [were] wristbands that we were using to do it. It’s not even an element anymore because of the communications that take place on the field to the quarterback, to the linebacker. So it’s an element of the game that doesn’t exist, and really, what happened when we lost that game is they outplayed us, and it has nothing to do with stealing signals, or cheating, or anything else. They were a better football team on that day.”



There's plenty of articles that pertain to the same stuff. But one thing I do know is that people LOVE to write hit pieces about the Pats. Why? Because they get clicks. People have made careers by doing this.

For another example of the hypocrisy of owners driving this stuff, take John Mara again (when they skated on the walkie talkie scandal):

Source The Giants unwittingly, and ironically, have done plenty in the past two Sundays to exonerate the Patriots for #DeflateGate. Yes, Giants co-owner John Mara is believed to have lobbied (along with others) for unreasonably stiff punishment of the Patriots. … [T]he Giants forced the NFL into a clumsy, awkward spot by complaining about Pittsburgh footballs under circumstances that could have been easily explained by natural deflation on a cold day. The NFL couldn’t say that without indirectly clearing the Patriots, so the NFL initially circled the wagons — and then eventually veered off script with a comment that later had to be described as the product of a misstatement.
As to the walkie-talkie scandal, the looming decision to give the Giants a relative slap on the wrist for a blatant and brazen violation of a known rule shows how bizarre it was to hammer the Patriots for a rule that was, essentially, the exact opposite.

You'll notice how it's openly stated that the owners drive these things? That's a well known secret. Spygate was driven by Jerry Jones, Woody Johnson and a few others.

Here's another example of what I'm talking about. Everybody gets morally objectionable when it comes to others, but deep down, they are all trying to beat the system in their own way. Even 'honorable' legends like Jerry Rice (this one cracks me up):

Rice On Deflategate: “I’m going to be point blank, I feel like it’s cheating. Because you have an edge up on your opponent and it’s unfortunate that it happened. I’ve played in cold weather, I know how hard the football is and you can grip the leather just a little bit better [if a football is deflated].
“I think you have to really put an asterisk on it, because this is going to follow them, you know, for the rest of their lives, because when you look at it, when people go back and they think about the New England Patriots they’re going to think about these controversies,” Rice continued. “I’ve always wanted to do things the right way. I didn’t want to take any short cuts or anything like that.”

At a later date, Rice On His own career: “I know this might be a little illegal, guys, but I just put a little spray, a little stickum on them, to make sure that texture is a little sticky,” Rice said. Talking about his gloves.

Poor Jerry forgetting the fact that stickum was highly illegal at the time.
Well as a Pats fan you have had your bias confirmed. I choose to confirm my bias with this:


...and this:


Plus plenty of anecdotal evidence from players on many teams. So, as with you, my bias is confirmed.
 
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