OT: With Bill Belichick Some Things Are Constants

[intlzncster]

Well as a Pats fan you have had your bias confirmed. I choose to confirm my bias with this:

Spygate to Deflategate: Inside what split the NFL and Patriots apart

The widespread perception that Spygate was worse than was ever made public turned Deflategate into what one owner terms a "makeup call" by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and his league.

www.espn.com

...and this:

Specter’s Floor Statement on New England Patriots Videotaping (Published 2008)

www.nytimes.com

Plus plenty of anecdotal evidence from players on many teams. So, as with you, my bias is confirmed.

I'm just looking at facts. That's all I want (and believe you me, most fans of opposing teams aren't interested). Anecdotal evidence is worthless. This is used to explain away their own failure and ineptitude, while justifying their bitterness.
And I point out people's hypocrisy with things they do.

If people looked at facts, they would have seen that deflategate was a load of nonsense. MIT, Harvard, and various and sundry professors and academics proved this scientifically. But since it's the Patriots, people choose to ignore reality. It is what it is. Goes with the territory.

Those ESPN articles (there's one printed every year) boil down to 90% innuendo and supposition; it's always "people say the Patriots do this" yada yada You don't think these teams would turn the Pats in to the League office if they had any proof?? They don't because most of it is BS. I love the one where "our headsets don't seem to work in Foxboro"; what they fail to mention is the NFL itself controls the headsets, not the home team! Saying the NFL favors the Pats would be laugh out loud funny.


ESPN "amazingly" and "coincidentally" releases these things right before the playoffs every time. It's comedy. The thing I do have a prolem with is that ESPN erroneously stated 'facts' (which were not remotely true) at the time about both spygate and deflategate which fanned the flames, and made them both out to be much more than they actually were. People still talk about a supposed taped Rams Superbowl walk through; unfortunately, they left out the fact that such tape or taping never existed. The writer who broke the story almost lost his career over publishing the false claim. The NFL has stated as much as well. ESPN was forced to retract, but it doesn't matter.

People still believe it, when It literally never happened. They prefer the ghost in the machine. This is what I know: Bill Belichick is in every coach and owners head. They ascribed 'mystical' circumstances because they can't beat him on the field.

And Arlen Spector was a diehard Philadelphia fan! After we had recently beat them in the Superbowl. lmao Just another bitter fan trying to rationalize getting pantsed.

 

[JordyG]

I'm just looking at facts. That's all I want (and believe you me, most fans of opposing teams aren't interested). Anecdotal evidence is worthless. This is used to explain away their own failure and ineptitude, while justifying their bitterness.
And I point out people's hypocrisy with things they do.

If people looked at facts, they would have seen that deflategate was a load of nonsense. MIT, Harvard, and various and sundry professors and academics proved this scientifically. But since it's the Patriots, people choose to ignore reality. It is what it is. Goes with the territory.

Those ESPN articles (there's one printed every year) boil down to 90% innuendo and supposition; it's always "people say the Patriots do this" yada yada You don't think these teams would turn the Pats in to the League office if they had any proof?? They don't because most of it is BS. I love the one where "our headsets don't seem to work in Foxboro"; what they fail to mention is the NFL itself controls the headsets, not the home team! Saying the NFL favors the Pats would be laugh out loud funny.


ESPN "amazingly" and "coincidentally" releases these things right before the playoffs every time. It's comedy. The thing I do have a prolem with is that ESPN erroneously stated 'facts' (which were not remotely true) at the time about both spygate and deflategate which fanned the flames, and made them both out to be much more than they actually were. People still talk about a supposed taped Rams Superbowl walk through; unfortunately, they left out the fact that such tape or taping never existed. The writer who broke the story almost lost his career over publishing the false claim. The NFL has stated as much as well. ESPN was forced to retract, but it doesn't matter.

People still believe it, when It literally never happened. They prefer the ghost in the machine. This is what I know: Bill Belichick is in every coach and owners head. They ascribed 'mystical' circumstances because they can't beat him on the field.

And Arlen Spector was a diehard Philadelphia fan! After we had recently beat them in the Superbowl. lmao Just another bitter fan trying to rationalize getting pantsed.

Toe-MAH-toe.

 

[intlzncster]

Toe-MAH-toe.

Nah. Just looking for facts. There are many opinions, but only one fact.

 

[JordyG]

Nah. Just looking for facts. There are many opinions, but only one fact.

The facts as you see it. I see the facts differently. Hence Toe-MAH-toe.

 

[triaddukefan]

Has the thread starter Rocky even posted back in this thread? Has he even witnessed what this thread has become? Classic hit and run posting

 

[MainefanSC]

Has the thread starter Rocky even posted back in this thread? Has he even witnessed what this thread has become? Classic hit and run posting

Yes, hit and run. But the fall out has been very entertaining. In this long UConnWBB off season, I enjoy such banter. I must say, the writers have been respectful of one another, making it enjoyable.

 

[meyers7]

The facts as you see it. I see the facts differently. Hence Toe-MAH-toe.

Now that's the first thing you've said I agree with. You don't see truth as truth, you see falsehoods as truth.

 

[intlzncster]

The facts as you see it. I see the facts differently. Hence Toe-MAH-toe.

You're certainly welcome to be a creationist if you choose, but it doesn't make you correct.

 

[JordyG]

Now that's the first thing you've said I agree with. You don't see truth as truth, you see falsehoods as truth.

This from a serial reductionist, contrarian and borderline misanthrope, that perhaps hides the mirrors in his house.

You're certainly welcome to be a creationist if you choose, but it doesn't make you correct.

Ditto. I think better, toe-MAY-toe. I perhaps fail to believe in your conspiracy of league owners, league players, the media and the commisioner all aligned to malign your Pats. That seems all an unsupported house of cards to me

 

[McFly]

I doubt that there is necessarily a conspiracy. Goodell, and the other teams' owners and players are acting in their own self interest. Goodell doesn't want a dynasty, and the others want one of their own. What they have in common is the desire to end New England's dominance.

As far as cheating is concerned, it appears to be endemic to professional sports, and far more widespread in amateur sports than we care to admit. The fact that names like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens appear on MLB's HOF ballot suggests that cheating is even becoming acceptable.
Here are a couple of maxims, at least one of which has been attributed to NASCAR, but which pertain to sports in general:
#1 - It ain't cheating if you don't get caught.
#2 - If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

 

[Biff]

I doubt that there is necessarily a conspiracy. Goodell, and the other teams' owners and players are acting in their own self interest. Goodell doesn't want a dynasty, and the others want one of their own. What they have in common is the desire to end New England's dominance.

As far as cheating is concerned, it appears to be endemic to professional sports, and far more widespread in amateur sports than we care to admit. The fact that names like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens appear on MLB's HOF ballot suggests that cheating is even becoming acceptable.
Here are a couple of maxims, at least one of which has been attributed to NASCAR, but which pertain to sports in general:
#1 - It ain't cheating if you don't get caught.
#2 - If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

I actually don't have a meaningful reply to your post other than to say I am in full agreement with the assessment in your first paragraph.

I just thought it was appropriate for Biff to acknowledge McFly.

 

[JordyG]

I doubt that there is necessarily a conspiracy. Goodell, and the other teams' owners and players are acting in their own self interest. Goodell doesn't want a dynasty, and the others want one of their own. What they have in common is the desire to end New England's dominance.

As far as cheating is concerned, it appears to be endemic to professional sports, and far more widespread in amateur sports than we care to admit. The fact that names like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens appear on MLB's HOF ballot suggests that cheating is even becoming acceptable.
Here are a couple of maxims, at least one of which has been attributed to NASCAR, but which pertain to sports in general:
#1 - It ain't cheating if you don't get caught.
#2 - If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

I am in mild to lukewarm agreement with your assessment. I am also in agreement that all teams cheat to some extent. As I've said, I believe that Belichick has just been better at it than the others...and still is. I also believe he did it a lot and perhaps more than others, and does it most effectively at the most important times.

 

[chrissaran]

Most teams have questionable players on their rosters.

NFL player arrests database: Records since 2000 | USA TODAY Databases | USA TODAY NETWORK

These are arrests, charges and citations of NFL players for crimes more serious than common traffic violations. Almost all of the players belonged to an NFL roster at the time of the incident. In rare cases, a free agent is included only if that player later signs with an NFL team. The data...

www.usatoday.com

Most teams don't have murderers on their rosters.

 

[meyers7]

This from a serial reductionist, contrarian and borderline misanthrope, that perhaps hides the mirrors in his house.

I was pretty accurate huh? As are you, thank you. Except for the mirrors. But considering my lack of physical beauty, maybe I should.

 

[meyers7]

Most teams don't have murderers on their rosters.

Agree, point?

 

[JordyG]

I was pretty accurate huh? As are you, thank you. Except for the mirrors. But considering my lack of physical beauty, maybe I should.

You are probably the most likable/dislikable cad I ever met, bar nuns. Yes, when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I'm right and when I'm left, I'm right. My arrogance is my blind side. One of my old significants used to say working on me is a trial where the jury needs weapons.