Wichita St. to AAC Next Year (Officially Official)

[TRest]

The complaining on this board shows how out of touch and the lack of perspective in today's society.

UConn fans - "We want into the Big East"
Big East fan base - "You guys will drag us down, and just be another mouth to feed"
UConn fans - "We have a great fan base and history of success - we will bring money to your conference, get better ratings for your TV deals and put more butts in seats"

WSU fans - "We want into the AAC"
UConn fans - "You guys will drag us down, and just be another mouth to feed"
WSU fans - "We have a great fan base and history of success - we will bring money to your conference, get better ratings for your TV deals and put more butts in seats"

people on the board using the excuse about more mouths to feed, yet complain when big east fans give us the same reasoning to keep us out of the big east...bottom line, WSU will be a top 25 team consistently, which will sell more tickets, get the casual fan to turn on the tv, and if we put another team in the NCAA tournament, the conference will make more money. And if Marshall leaves in 5 years and WSU is not the same powerhouse it came in as, we will be right back in the same situation we are in right now. There will be no negative outcome to UConn's relevance.

I've never seen a BE fan claim that, unless drunk or angry.

 

[noeynox]

Aresco needs to focus on getting us a better tv contract. How does this help? By adding another mid-major, UConn is slowly becoming one. Pretty remarkable when you think about how strong our brand was 5 years ago.

How does this move hurt it? I suspect Aresco knows what he is doing with TV/Streaming.

What Aresco does or doesn't do has nothing to do with where our brand is today versus 5 years ago.

WSU may be a flash in the pan, but they pay their coach real well. I suspect he will get poached to a big job at some point, but they pay well they may attract another good coach.

We just added a possible top 10 team to our conference next year. It helps with the RPI immediately. Are they a slam dunk add? No, but there are no slam dunks this conference can add.

 

[ctchamps]

Nothing helps UConn more than getting UConn's bb and football to their respectable norms.

The AAC is not configured around academics so the lower academic standards WSU brings is only an issue with regards to a competitive advantage they have in getting players with lower academic standards.

Football is not an issue because the AAC is actually a decent non P5 conference football wise. UConn drags it down. WSU is a non football factor and as currently stands there is no need to bump up football.

In the AAC bb has been disappointing but that relates more because UConn and Memphis have been below their recent historical history and less because of USF, Tulane and ECU. Those schools hurt but if UConn and Memphis had success in the OOC schedule the issue is neutralized.

It comes down to short term versus long term gains and those are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
The population demographics for WSU is an issue locally. This can be offset by the national audience that WSU can bring particularly if it's schedule is not buried in a mid major conference. However this is dependent on WSU being a top 25 team. If they stay at that level then it's a win for the AAC. If they don't it's a big loss for the AAC.

Chances increase for WSU staying in the top 25 in a conference like the AAC over the Missouri Valley. If they have big boosters they can afford to pay for a decent coach even if Marshall leaves. But there are no guarantees.

Given the fragile nature of our bb program this is a net positive if KO can turn around the program in two seasons. If not, even if WSU stays top 25, it could hurt more than help.

 

[spudzj6]

I've never seen a BE fan claim that, unless drunk or angry.

You must not have been around the Villanova board during the days of UConn to big east in everything but football rumor time...

But yes, the majority of the arguing against us was from PC fans, always drunk and always angry..at UConn...for no reason...cuz they are PC.

 

[RUSS56]

We HAVE to demand that we play Cincy, Wichita State, Memphis, SMU, and Temple twice every year.

Are you serious? You act like Uconn runs the conference. Last time I looked we have never finished higher than 4th in the regular season. Please tell me why Uconn makes all the decisions? ....is it because that is what you want? As presently constituted, we are off a losing season, and have 5 open scholarships for next year, and a team with a roster that includes big's with 0 minutes experience, yeah, we are in the dictator's chair.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

The complaining on this board shows how out of touch and the lack of perspective in today's society.

UConn fans - "We want into the Big East"
Big East fan base - "You guys will drag us down, and just be another mouth to feed"
UConn fans - "We have a great fan base and history of success - we will bring money to your conference, get better ratings for your TV deals and put more butts in seats"

WSU fans - "We want into the AAC"
UConn fans - "You guys will drag us down, and just be another mouth to feed"
WSU fans - "We have a great fan base and history of success - we will bring money to your conference, get better ratings for your TV deals and put more butts in seats"

people on the board using the excuse about more mouths to feed, yet complain when big east fans give us the same reasoning to keep us out of the big east...bottom line, WSU will be a top 25 team consistently, which will sell more tickets, get the casual fan to turn on the tv, and if we put another team in the NCAA tournament, the conference will make more money. And if Marshall leaves in 5 years and WSU is not the same powerhouse it came in as, we will be right back in the same situation we are in right now. There will be no negative outcome to UConn's relevance.

LOL. Yes, because a 4 Time National Champion that was an original member of the league and in the region is the same as adding a team on a recent 5 year hot streak in Wichita, Kansas.

I love the responses too. What do you want them to do!?

Answer: NOTHING!

I didn't want ECU, I didn't want Tulsa, I didn't want Tulane and I don't want Wichita State.

The American should have been a 9 team football league: UConn, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Temple, SMU, Houston, Memphis and Navy. 4 home, 4 away.

For hoops, you have 8 teams and I think you could have put feelers on a VCU, Dayton or at that point a Wichita State.

We're too far expanded at this point and adding teams for the sake of adding them doesn't make sense to me.

I guess it's not so much the add of WSU that is bothersome, it's just the logic some of you guys have (lack).

 

[CTMike]

I understand the logic and how it stands to benefit UConn RPI wise. The decision is rational, at least with their current state of success.

Like it? No.

 

[Fishy]

If UConn isn't available, the American never forms.

Don't bother me with anything about last year's record, blah, blah, blah.

If UConn isn't around, all of these monkeys are in Conference USA.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

I understand the logic and how it stands to benefit UConn RPI wise. The decision is rational, at least with their current state of success.

Like it? No.

This is basically where I'm basically at. Just summed up a lot more succinctly by Mike.

Side bar: It's been said before, but I can't watch South Park anymore and see Randy Marsh and not immediately associated him with you. Not sure what that says about me or the amount of posts I have on here....

 

[IMind]

I just don't see getting bent out of shape about adding them when we already have Tulsa, etc.

 

[UConNation]

This is basically where I'm basically at. Just summed up a lot more succinctly by Mike.

Side bar: It's been said before, but I can't watch South Park anymore and see Randy Marsh and not immediately associated him with you. Not sure what that says about me or the amount of posts I have on here....

@CTMike's response makes sense, and if that's what you're trying to get at, then yes I understand. I don't think anyone here likes the fact that we have to add WSU to make our conference better. I don't think anyone likes the fact that we have to travel to KS, OK, and TX to play teams that we have no history with... but fact is that with the current state of affairs (conference wise), WSU helps us in the immediate future. I don't think Gregg Marshall is leaving anytime soon, and if/when he does, hopefully we'll be in a new home. Until that happens though, I think this is a good basketball move.

 

[djct1999]

No. Those 2 things are not equal. First, by having them in the conference, you get them twice a year instead of once. Second, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, having them in the conference boosts the RPI of every other team in the conference - even if they lose to WSU. That also benefits UConn... because now when we play ECU/Tulsa/USF et al the RPI is much higher. So in summary, no, you're wrong, UConn would not be better suited signing a 6 year home and home.

Seems logical. Lets add an additional small market mouth to an already meager tv contract because Wichita State provides a bump in RPI while Gregg Marshall remains coach. I like how you think. To bad Warde wasn't still around, you could be his understudy. Just curious, do you like donuts?

 

[spudzj6]

LOL. Yes, because a 4 Time National Champion that was an original member of the league and in the region is the same as adding a team on a recent 5 year hot streak in Wichita, Kansas.

I love the responses too. What do you want them to do!?

Answer: NOTHING!

I didn't want ECU, I didn't want Tulsa, I didn't want Tulane and I don't want Wichita State.

The American should have been a 9 team football league: UConn, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Temple, SMU, Houston, Memphis and Navy. 4 home, 4 away.

For hoops, you have 8 teams and I think you could have put feelers on a VCU, Dayton or at that point a Wichita State.

We're too far expanded at this point and adding teams for the sake of adding them doesn't make sense to me.

I guess it's not so much the add of WSU that is bothersome, it's just the logic some of you guys have (lack).

You're right, UConn and WSU are very far apart in terms of success, never going to argue against that. My point was more geared to those on the board saying that adding a successful program to a crappy conference will not be good because they think one more team splitting the already low profit margins will mean less money for UConn, when they were the same people who argued to big east fans that adding UConn to the big east will only bring more money to the table.

I too don't like that we have to add WSU to improve our basketball stock. But it makes sense. Someone else pointed out that adding the comparison of Creighton and Xavier to the Big East. They are now both widely regarded as top tier competition. I just hope WSU plays out the same way.

 

[ctchamps]

@CTMike's response makes sense, and if that's what you're trying to get at, then yes I understand. I don't think anyone here likes the fact that we have to add WSU to make our conference better. I don't think anyone likes the fact that we have to travel to KS, OK, and TX to play teams that we have no history with... but fact is that with the current state of affairs (conference wise), WSU helps us in the immediate future. I don't think Gregg Marshall is leaving anytime soon, and if/when he does, hopefully we'll be in a new home. Until that happens though, I think this is a good basketball move.

I like how you think.

 

[Com'rGordon]

As a Uconn fan living in Nebraska, Ive always wanted them to be in a conference with Nebraska, Creighton, or Iowa State because then I could go watch a game finally.. Now this isnt exactly what I expected, but itll do.

 

[UConNation]

Seems logical. Lets add an additional small market mouth to an already meager tv contract because Wichita State provides a bump in RPI while Gregg Marshall remains coach. I like how you think. To bad Warde wasn't still around, you could be his understudy. Just curious, do you like donuts?

Cool story, bruh. I love internet message boards where internet warriors like yourself immediately try to make personal attacks rather than address the actual issue with a logical argument. I'm not going to take the bait, but I will respond, like a reasonable person would -

It is a logical move if you consider the fact that our TV contract rights are up for negotiation soon and Wichita can likely get us more money in that negotiation. If you want to argue how much, fine, because neither one of us know how much that will be. But I would counter with saying we should wait and see what their share of the pie is going to be, because I doubt that it'll be as much as the football members. I think financially it'll be a wash (at worst) under the new contract, and that's before you factor in WSU's tourney credits.
But from a basketball perspective it's even more logical to add them. Like I said a before, adding WSU to the conference helps our conference with tourney credits and all of the associated RPI metrics for the entire conference.
We don't have to like the fact that they're being added, or like the fact that adding WSU helps our conference, but it doesn't make it any less logical whichever way you look at it.

 

[djct1999]

Cool story, bruh. I love internet message boards where internet warriors like yourself immediately try to make personal attacks rather than address the actual issue with a logical argument. I'm not going to take the bait, but I will respond, like a reasonable person would -

It is a logical move if you consider the fact that our TV contract rights are up for negotiation soon and Wichita can likely get us more money in that negotiation. If you want to argue how much, fine, because neither one of us know how much that will be. But I would counter with saying we should wait and see what their share of the pie is going to be, because I doubt that it'll be as much as the football members. I think financially it'll be a wash (at worst) under the new contract, and that's before you factor in WSU's tourney credits.
But from a basketball perspective it's even more logical to add them. Like I said a before, adding WSU to the conference helps our conference with tourney credits and all of the associated RPI metrics for the entire conference.
We don't have to like the fact that they're being added, or like the fact that adding WSU helps our conference, but it doesn't make it any less logical whichever way you look at it.

yeah, ok bruh. remember, warde likes boston creme.

 

[joober jones]

Yes, there are sources that report such stuff and many who believe it.

Contemporary issues aside, are you familiar with what he did in his teenage years and how unrepentant he remains about it?

 

[UConNation]

yeah, ok bruh. remember, warde likes boston creme.

Another sound argument. Well done, sir, well done.

 

[djct1999]

Another sound argument. Well done, sir, well done.

Oh, so you do know the concept of a sound argument. Here is an idea.......make one and get back to me. Because the silliness before about RPI or Wichita adding value to the next tv deal just isn't sound.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Final Ken Pom Ratings for Wichita State since 2002 (oldest records of the rating).

Admittedly, better than I expected. Though I will say even though SOS is adjusted in Ken Pom, still tough to compare playing in the MVC to even the AAC.

2002 - 151
2003 - 132
2004 - 57
2005 - 47
2006 - 28
2007 - 65
2008 - 155
2009 - 134
2010 - 64
2011 - 27
2012 - 11
2013 - 17
2014 - 6
2015 - 13
2016 - 13
2017 - 8

 

[ctchamps]

Final Ken Pom Ratings for Wichita State since 2002 (oldest records of the rating).

Admittedly, better than I expected. Though I will say even though SOS is adjusted in Ken Pom, still tough to compare playing in the MVC to even the AAC.

2002 - 151
2003 - 132
2004 - 57
2005 - 47
2006 - 28
2007 - 65
2008 - 155
2009 - 134
2010 - 64
2011 - 27
2012 - 11
2013 - 17
2014 - 6
2015 - 13
2016 - 13
2017 - 8

Kudos to you for doing some research.

It's a positive for conference bb. No other way to spin it.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Contemporary issues aside, are you familiar with what he did in his teenage years and how unrepentant he remains about it?

First off, I think hell is a fictional place without a basketball team or a coach who is still alive. My comment was to disparage those who would report such news and those who would believe it.

As to what I would or would not have done to survive (and, yes, they'd have been after me), after reading "Man's Search for Meaning," I don't know. I doubt it would have been pretty or justifying healthy pride.

I'm offering no defense of awful stuff, but instead acknowledging that there is so much that I don't know, that I tend to discount self-righteous self-certainty on complex issues where I'm not an observer.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

Are you serious? You act like Uconn runs the conference. Last time I looked we have never finished higher than 4th in the regular season. Please tell me why Uconn makes all the decisions? ....is it because that is what you want? As presently constituted, we are off a losing season, and have 5 open scholarships for next year, and a team with a roster that includes big's with 0 minutes experience, yeah, we are in the dictator's chair.

If you don't understand UConn worth to the AAC by now I suspect a detailed financial statement isn't going to help.
But I"ll give you a brief overview:
The media deal as bad as it is,was contingent in the us giving up thier 3 rights
worth well in excess of our media return.
UConn's women BB has probably made more money for our media partners than the rest if the keague combined.

The AAC had a huge war chest of NCAA tourney money much of which was earned by UConn. Money from 2014 will continue until 2020. Thst was worth over $10,000,00o to the conference.
Our second round exit last year will bring the league anotherb $1,500,000
Like it or not UConn is the AAC cash cow.
UConn fans have supported the conference tournament in s very disproportionate number when compared to the rest if the league.
Why do you think it was held in Hsrtford .
If UConn performed to preseason expectations the
AAC tourney probably would have been in the black.
My take on the WSU add is it was a step to increase the BB visibility if the aAC in part to appease UConn.

 

[huskymedic]

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