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Who would be your First Pick,Taurasi,Maya,Parker or Delle Donne?

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RSHERMVIKES said:
If you're talking picking them in their prime, I'd go DT, Maya, & EDD! Maya's the better ATHLETE but DT will cut your throat to win!
I wouldn't want Parker to wear my team's uniform or sit in my gym! She's the Kobe of the women's game, watch me dunk, watch me not them I'm the best ever! Can't you see how great I am? After she does a dunk or something fancy the first thing she does is look to mug for the cameras!
Geno called DT the greatest WINNER in the history of WBB! That's good enough for me!
As stated above in other posts, paraphrasing, DT & Maya would kill to win! EDD has to show she has the grit to take over on offense and defense to will her team to victory!
I go back to the UCONN Captain's pre-practice where EDD was walking or jogging up and down the court and Kalana Greene basically said "Move your a-s Bi--ch, if you think you're going to do that with Geno & CD you're nuts!" At 6am the next morning EDD was in a car going home to Delaware! She didn't want that pressure every day at UCONN! Greene was called on the carpet by Geno & CD, but the other players backed Kalana and said, Geno you would have gone insane! EDD is a lot better now but she's never been pushed like Geno Auriemma can push!
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That Kalana Greene is one tough cookie, but that exemplifies why UConn is where it is.
 
Wally East said:
Neither did Ted Williams.
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Neither did any other Red Sox player between 1918 and 2004 (1918 was their last series win of the 20th century and they did it with the help of a true with a true superstar - Babe Ruth. The series wins followed the superstar, BTW :D)
 
j66kicker said:
Neither did any other Red Sox player between 1918 and 2004 (1918 was their last series win of the 20th century and they did it with the help of a true with a true superstar - Babe Ruth. The series wins followed the superstar, BTW :D)
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So, Paul O'Neill and Bernie Williams were better than Ted Williams?
 
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Wally East said:
So, Paul O'Neill and Bernie Williams were better than Ted Williams?
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No, Ted was a great hitter, but he apparently didn't have enough 'umph' to get them over the hump. Or he wasn't focused in that direction.

Ted considered himself a hitting 'scientist.' Mickey Mantle said every year at the All Star game Ted would sit next to him in the dugout and coach him on the science of hitting (like Mickey needed that). Mickey said then he wouldn't get a hit for 2 weeks after the all Star game - was thinking about it too much. Mickey didn't think about it, or try to count the stitches on the ball - he just did it. No evidence Ted was obsessed with applying all his greatness to winning, vs. his batting average.

But he was a great hitter. Maybe Ted was the EDD of baseball - great stats/no championships.
 
j66kicker said:
No, Ted was a great hitter, but he apparently didn't have enough 'umph' to get them over the hump. Or he wasn't focused in that direction.
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This is exactly the sentiment that doesn't make any sense. Aside from the fact that in baseball hitting leads directly to scoring runs (well, more precisely, getting on base leads to scoring runs), there's half of the game Ted had no input in, had nothing to do with -- pitching. He had no control over how the Sox picthed. But, you know, he didn't have enough "umph" to will his pitchers to win games? :rolleyes:

The same principle applies across team sports. Each player can only do so much. Michael Jordan didn't win any championships until he was surrounded with good teammates. D won rings in '03 and '04 because along with being a fantastic player, her teammates were really pretty good (including a high school NPOY). Delaware didn't have players like that, not even close. Everyone needs teammates.

And Ted was a much better hitter than Mantle no matter how you measure it.
 
Wally East said:
1) D won rings in '03 and '04 because along with being a fantastic player, her teammates were really pretty good (including a high school NPOY). Delaware didn't have players like that, not even close. Everyone needs teammates.

2) And Ted was a much better hitter than Mantle no matter how you measure it.
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1) D wins rings because that is an absolute MUST for her, and she has the 'umph' to pull it off - high school, college, WNBA, Europe, Olympics, wherever she goes. Just lucky, I guess.

2) What did it matter if Ted was a better hitter if he didn't win? (Herm Edwards impression: "You play to win the game.") Mickey wasn't all that bad of a hitter, IIRC. I'd rather be Mickey and have the rings.
 
j66kicker said:
1) D wins rings because that is an absolute MUST for her, and she has the 'umph' to pull it off - high school, college, WNBA, Europe, Olympics, wherever she goes. Just lucky, I guess.

2) What did it matter if Ted was a better hitter if he didn't win? (Herm Edwards impression: "You play to win the game.") Mickey wasn't all that bad of a hitter, IIRC. I'd rather be Mickey and have the rings.
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What about the years DT didn't win a championship. It wan't a must for her those years?
 
j66kicker said:
1) D wins rings because that is an absolute MUST for her, and she has the 'umph' to pull it off - high school, college, WNBA, Europe, Olympics, wherever she goes. Just lucky, I guess.
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So, in 2005, when Phoenix was 16-18? Or 2008 when they were 16-18? Or 2010 when they were 15-19? What about those years? Not a must for D in those years? In the 10 seasons she played most of the team's games, Phoenix only made the playoffs 6 times, let alone win a title and they've only won three titles What happened?

2) What did it matter if Ted was a better hitter if he didn't win? (Herm Edwards impression: "You play to win the game.")
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Because winning on a team isn't up to just one person and Williams contributed more to his team than Mantle did (and, actually, almost everyone else ever) That is literally the entire point of what I'm saying.

Mickey wasn't all that bad of a hitter, I'd rather be Mickey and have the rings.
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Yeah, but to get those rings, Mickey also needed Whitey Ford, Bill Stafford, and Ralph Terry.

You know who wins on their own? Serena Williams. Usain Bolt. Paula Radcliffe. Tiger Woods.

You know doesn't win on their own? Joe Montana. Reggie Jackson. Tom Brady. Kobe Bryant.

And Diana Taurasi.
 
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calpedaler said:
What about the years DT didn't win a championship. It wan't a must for her those years?
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Shoot for the moon and you'll never end up with a handful of dust. Can't win 'em all, but for some it does seem to be a regular habit.
 
Well it's hard to have lived through the Dee era at Uconn and not consider her to be the in a class by herself and therefore worthy of the first pick. Maya has the most skill, and coming out of college Parker certainly seemed to be destined to be a great pro.

I'm surprised with the lack of love that EDD is getting. The fact that she led Delaware to its two best seasons ever means something to me. Championships are won by teams and no one player can carry a team all the way to the trophy, unless her name is Taurasi.

The four candidates are all impact players but I'd go DT, Maya, EDD and then Parker based on their ability to take over a game, and because of it, to inspire by example.
 
Willie E.Gold said:
I would take Maya first,close between she and D.T.but I consider Maya a better re-bounder and all-around defender.I agree with Coach Geno that Parker is the most talented,but I look at her as another ,Barkley/Malone type,Super Star but lack the grit and leadership to reach the Promise Land even though she has the most talented supporting cast. Delle Donne reminds me of Carmelo,exceptional shooter ,improved re-bounder and defensive player but something is missing.Must prove she has the heart of a Champion.The only one in the group that has Never won a Championship at the College or Pro level.Led a talented cast to the finals last year but pulled a Skylar at crunch time.Turn loose.
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I understand this is a UConn board so their is a natural bias there but you've got to be kidding saying Parker has had the most talented supporting cast...

DT hasn't won a title without Cappie Pondexter or Brittney Griner and Moore plays with THREE other Olympians plus Brunson who should've been on the team over Cash or Jones but that's another story. I realize Fowles wasn't there for her titles but Minnesota has had the most stacked roster until Phoenix tanked for Griner.

The best player Parker has played with is a retiring Lisa Leslie followed by Nneka who plays the same position.

The only player who has led her team to a title with a worse supporting cast than Parker is Catchings and that's a credit to her.

For the record: Parker, DT, EDD, Griner, Moore
 
Wally East said:
So, in 2005, when Phoenix was 16-18? Or 2008 when they were 16-18? Or 2010 when they were 15-19? What about those years? Not a must for D in those years? In the 10 seasons she played most of the team's games, Phoenix only made the playoffs 6 times, let alone win a title and they've only won three titles What happened?



Because winning on a team isn't up to just one person and Williams contributed more to his team than Mantle did (and, actually, almost everyone else ever) That is literally the entire point of what I'm saying.



Yeah, but to get those rings, Mickey also needed Whitey Ford, Bill Stafford, and Ralph Terry.

You know who wins on their own? Serena Williams. Usain Bolt. Paula Radcliffe. Tiger Woods.

You know doesn't win on their own? Joe Montana. Reggie Jackson. Tom Brady. Kobe Bryant.

And Diana Taurasi.
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Bill Stafford and Ralph Terry???? Of all the outstanding players Mantle played with, you came up with Bill Stafford and Ralph Terry????
 
tnvolfan65 said:
I understand this is a UConn board so their is a natural bias there but you've got to be kidding saying Parker has had the most talented supporting cast...

DT hasn't won a title without Cappie Pondexter or Brittney Griner and Moore plays with THREE other Olympians plus Brunson who should've been on the team over Cash or Jones but that's another story. I realize Fowles wasn't there for her titles but Minnesota has had the most stacked roster until Phoenix tanked for Griner.

The best player Parker has played with is a retiring Lisa Leslie followed by Nneka who plays the same position.

The only player who has led her team to a title with a worse supporting cast than Parker is Catchings and that's a credit to her.

For the record: Parker, DT, EDD, Griner, Moore
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Don't agree what you're saying.

You give a convenient excuse with Parker and Nneka why they haven't been successful.

What happens if someone plays same position as DT? She can play the other guard position.

What happens with Maya?-- she is a 2/3/4. She can go anywhere.

DT and Maya are ahead of Parker. These aren't one-on-one games. Nowadays the ability to shoot and score from three is huge and it spreads the floor thus indirectly it makes other teammates better. Parker NEEDS shooters. Her outside shot is okay but not much better than that. All Maya needs is a simple pick. DT doesn't.

For the record, EDD doesn't belong on here. She was out basically for the whole year in 14-15 and it is questionable what she can lead. Why did Chicago's center leave after a couple of years? Not EDD's fault but wasn't able to convince to stay for a title either. he may still be an injury prone player. We'll see.
 
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Buzzyboy said:
Bill Stafford and Ralph Terry???? Of all the outstanding players Mantle played with, you came up with Bill Stafford and Ralph Terry????
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Yes, because they were really good pitchers.
 
Its Diana and its not even close. She had a flair for the dramatic at the most critical times especially in big games on the big stage. She made those around her better and scored when she had to. She could put the team on her back and run the show. There isn't a player in WBB that can do what she can do. There is only one number 1 and its Diana.
 
DT is very simply the best player of all time so she is first in this draft! After her I'll go Maya, Parker and EDD. It is possible that EDD will take over third and maybe even second place if we do this draft in 3-4 years and see what she can do at her peak.
 
tnvolfan65 said:
The best player Parker has played with is a retiring Lisa Leslie followed by Nneka who plays the same position.

The only player who has led her team to a title with a worse supporting cast than Parker is Catchings and that's a credit to her.

For the record: Parker, DT, EDD, Griner, Moore
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For the record, I tallied up the votes in this thread (up to now of course). Did it 2 ways:

1) I included every post that could be counted as a 'vote', except I only counted one per poster (sorry Eric). I interpreted ambiguous posts as follows:
- Counted "For the player in her prime" over "But as of right now..."
- Counted the first player mentioned in the post for other multiple #1 choices, i.e. "This player for that, that player for this..."
Results:
DT 22 (76%)
Maya 2 (7%)
Parker 2 (7%) (Both form TN fans)
EDD 1 (3%)
Stewie 1 (3%) (write-in)
Shannon Bobbitt 1 (3%) (write-in)

2) Then, to eliminate subjective analytical bias from moi, I threw out my arbitrary assignment of the votes for "Prime vs. right now" posts and "This for that, that for this" posts, and only counted the definitive votes. I also excluded the write-ins and considered only the candidates from the OP's original poll question.
Results:
DT 19 (83%)
Parker 2 (9%)
Maya 1 (4%)
EDD 1 (4%)

Not sure how many precincts remain to report, but I'm calling DT in the biggest landslide ever.
 
Geno has the deciding vote IMO and he has voted on this many times, always the same. Most recently he pointed out a fact that he considered definitive: that DT took over a brand new starting 5 in her junior year and produced 2 Nat'l Championships with it. I'll go with the Coach. Second place is irrelevant.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Geno has the deciding vote IMO and he has voted on this many times, always the same. Most recently he pointed out a fact that he considered definitive: that DT took over a brand new starting 5 in her junior year and produced 2 Nat'l Championships with it. I'll go with the Coach. Second place is irrelevant.
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2nd place is irrelevant when the 1st place candidate gets 4X as many votes as all the other candidates combined.
 
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Willie E.Gold said:
I would take Maya first,close between she and D.T.but I consider Maya a better re-bounder and all-around defender.I agree with Coach Geno that Parker is the most talented,but I look at her as another ,Barkley/Malone type,Super Star but lack the grit and leadership to reach the Promise Land even though she has the most talented supporting cast. Delle Donne reminds me of Carmelo,exceptional shooter ,improved re-bounder and defensive player but something is missing.Must prove she has the heart of a Champion.The only one in the group that has Never won a Championship at the College or Pro level.Led a talented cast to the finals last year but pulled a Skylar at crunch time.Turn loose.
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To borrow a phrase from our HOF brother Chris Carter: "C'mon man". :confused: Willie, you just want to start some mess. Asking this question is like asking someone which would they rather have cut off, an arm or a leg.

ALL of these ladies are super stars.

All of these ladies are the best players on their respective teams.

All of these ladies are extremely hard to defend (impossible when they find their rhythm, or they're in a zone).

All of these ladies can fill it up, and bring a different dynamic to the table.

All have a will to win.

All have a high BB IQ.

All are leaders.

There many words that describe these ladies. The one I like best is: Scoring machines

These ladies can walk into a gym (or arena) and enter a game cold (no warm-up) and drop 20.
I've seen ALL of them hit shots with their defensive man draped all over them like a cheap suit, and the ball hits nothing but the bottom of the net.

Except for Della Donne, ALL have won a championship at some level (NCAA, Olympic Gold, etc).
 
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RSHERMVIKES said:
I go back to the UCONN Captain's pre-practice where EDD was walking or jogging up and down the court and Kalana Greene basically said "Move your a-s Bi--ch, if you think you're going to do that with Geno & CD you're nuts!" At 6am the next morning EDD was in a car going home to Delaware! She didn't want that pressure every day at UCONN! Greene was called on the carpet by Geno & CD, but the other players backed Kalana and said, Geno you would have gone insane! EDD is a lot better now but she's never been pushed like Geno Auriemma can push!
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It is sad when someone implies that EDD left UCONN because she wasn't up to the pressure. There has been so much information put out there why she left it is ashamed these kind of comments are made.
 
reno tony said:
It is sad when someone implies that EDD left UCONN because she wasn't up to the pressure. There has been so much information put out there why she left it is ashamed these kind of comments are made.
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Perhaps you were not around then Reno, because the only information coming through at that time was what RSHERMVIKES is mentioning (and similar). It would be inaccurate to suggest that for a player who would later admit to burn out since her junior year in HS that the intensity she encountered on arriving at UConn played no part in her abrupt departure.
 
RockyMTblue2 said:
Perhaps you were not around then Reno, because the only information coming through at that time was what RSHERMVIKES is mentioning (and similar). It would be inaccurate to suggest that for a player who would later admit to burn out since her junior year in HS that the intensity she encountered on arriving at UConn played no part in her abrupt departure.
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That is all fine. But it isn't then, it is now, and we have a lot more information about EDD, her sister and the reasons she left UCONN. Not once did I read anything about any pressure during her one day stay at UCONN. I responded to what appeared to me was someone's reasoning why she left UCONN. Someone yelled at her and called her a bad name. I find it sad that some people still spread that information as fact.
 
reno tony said:
That is all fine. But it isn't then, it is now, and we have a lot more information about EDD, her sister and the reasons she left UCONN. Not once did I read anything about any pressure during her one day stay at UCONN. I responded to what appeared to me was someone's reasoning why she left UCONN. Someone yelled at her and called her a bad name. I find it sad that some people still spread that information as fact.
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"that information" is fact. Greene did jump on her and others were not happy. How it entered the mix for EDD is conjecture and opinion, but it is a respectable opinion; maybe not a PC opinion , but respectable, fact based and entirely logical given what EDD has admitted was her state of mind about basketball at the time.
 
reno tony said:
That is all fine. But it isn't then, it is now, and we have a lot more information about EDD, her sister and the reasons she left UCONN. Not once did I read anything about any pressure during her one day stay at UCONN. I responded to what appeared to me was someone's reasoning why she left UCONN. Someone yelled at her and called her a bad name. I find it sad that some people still spread that information as fact.
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I thought it was Renee...! Guess she was running slow cause she was tired and didn't really wanna play, KG could have put her over the top?
 
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