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Icebear said:
This is simply such a bizarre concept I'm stunned. Name me one other one other legendary major college program among the best of their sport with a multi-million dollar budget that would consider it appropriate to turn over that program to an untested and inexperienced 23 year old because he child of the legendary coach even with a quality support group in place.
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I thought Bobby Knight "anointing" his son when he quit the last time was bizarre. But on a more serious note, wasn't Pat that young when she was hired? And wasn't Tenn a successful program?
The problem with carrying on with the Summitt legacy with one of her protegees is that SHE was the program. Much the same with UConn. It's likely the school hires a Geno assistant or ex-player but they won't be him.
 
Maricel M said:
oh ok......................
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So you also noticed it. I posted as such on a number of sites. Understandably caught hell for that later on the Summet. Was never ment as disrespect- just an observation on a seemingly subtle decline measured against her own standard. As you posted something didn't seem right. Considering her age it made no sense to me until her present condition was revieled.

I would think that her condition shouldn't influence her effectiveness in everyday coaching as much as it would her in game adjustments. Thats the area I noticed was already effected last season. Her staff just needs to take more of an active part in that area now and gradually do the same in the other areas as they become neccessary. It's not going to be easy for them being that she is Icon. There was a thread on the Summet titled "the 300 pound garilla" which touched on the difficulty of the coming situation in relation to a transition. Not much imput at the time, but considering the circumstances of the timing of the adjustment to the shock of the news that was not surprising. All things considered the continuity in any future transition might turn out to more sporatic than smooth, Dicey at best.
 
Alydar said:
I thought Bobby Knight "anointing" his son when he quit the last time was bizarre. But on a more serious note, wasn't Pat that young when she was hired? And wasn't Tenn a successful program?
The problem with carrying on with the Summitt legacy with one of her protegees is that SHE was the program. Much the same with UConn. It's likely the school hires a Geno assistant or ex-player but they won't be him.
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And his son, Pat, was considerably older at 33.
 
Icebear said:
Come on DC you really don't think that is true. TN is as much an old girls network as there is. Even the structure of the athletic department is set that way.
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sooooooooo the AD that's replacing Joan C is a "man"? (yeah I know he's covering both teams etc.) is this true, was it mentioned on this site? (site is a tough read so I dont surf that much)
 
DaddyChoc said:
sooooooooo the AD that's replacing Joan C is a "man"? (yeah I know he's covering both teams etc.) is this true, was it mentioned on this site? (site is a tough read so I dont surf that much)
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Seems to be. A step into the 21st century. Is there much whining about it on the other board?
 
DaddyChoc said:
sooooooooo the AD that's replacing Joan C is a "man"? (yeah I know he's covering both teams etc.) is this true, was it mentioned on this site? (site is a tough read so I dont surf that much)
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Don't bury the lede. The big deal is that they've abandoned the concept of separate Athletic Departments.
 
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Alydar said:
But on a more serious note, wasn't Pat that young when she was hired? And wasn't Tenn a successful program?
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That's funny. I've had the odd experience of telling Tennessee fans how successful the team was before Pat took over and being jumped on for being so wrong. It was truly bizarre. The fact is they were successful as measured by wins and losses, but the program was so different than today, the concept of "night and day" doesn't do it justice. Pat's success was lightning in a bottle. Lest any of the usual idiots misunderstand, that's not a slam, it simply means you can't conclude that you can hire another young, untested coach and repeat the success. UConn can't do it, and Tennessee cannot do it, at least not without any assurance of success. Both programs are likely to pick a replacement with a lot of experience. If they go the untested route, the odds are against them.
 
I believe it can be done if you have a good batch of players already on board and recruits by into the tradition.
If Geno stopped coaching TODAY would UConn chances look slimmer with the same current player and recruits coming in next season.

lets say with Riz coming in as coach (young and untested)
 
Icebear said:
Seems to be. A step into the 21st century. Is there much whining about it on the other board?
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didnt read too deep into what was said, just ran back over here after noticing they hired "a man"
 
Icebear said:
Seems to be. A step into the 21st century. Is there much whining about it on the other board?
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and they blew holes in your theory within weeks (kind of, even tho we were talking about a male LV coach but you went as far as the dept also)
 
Not at all. Pure economics and savings through unified services and vastly different than being asked to coach Pat's team.
 
I think it will happen in the next two years. Even though the disease is a slow burn, you still have to be able to recruit. I remember a small college a few years back in much the same situation. He was still functional but could not remember which players were in which class after only 18 months. He left in mid-season. You also have to look that recruit in the eye knowing that you will not see them graduate or even play. Tough sell.
 
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Ive got to wonder now that we know Pats illness, if the past 3 years underacheivment of the LVs has to do with her forgetfulness. This disease just dosnt happen, it comes along slowly. I dont think this just began to happen. I think there have been signs over the past season. Maybe that is part of the reason Micki DeMoss came back to TN.
 
Tony you're thinking tooooooo deep IMO... it has just been announced so lets see what happens moving forward. Who cares what happened 2, 3 yrs ago.

Im sure others who has/had a family member effected with this illness dont care to figuring out "oh maybe thats why she/he was late for her appointment in '05".

I think others have mentioned that "it doesnt normally happen at such a young age" so why would you think that it started even earlier. Maybe it actually JUST STARTED.

I think even Pat mentions that "they caught it early" (not sure who saw her sit down interview when it was announced)
 
DaddyChoc said:
Tony you're thinking tooooooo deep IMO... it has just been announced so lets see what happens moving forward. Who cares what happened 2, 3 yrs ago.

Im sure others who has/had a family member effected with this illness dont care to figuring out "oh maybe thats why she/he was late for her appointment in '05".

I think others have mentioned that "it doesnt normally happen at such a young age" so why would you think that it started even earlier. Maybe it actually JUST STARTED.

I think even Pat mentions that "they caught it early" (not sure who saw her sit down interview when it was announced)
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Well, clearly you don't care what happened 2-3 years ago with Pat, but just as clearly, others do.
And when you are coaching in a fishbowl, like Pat does, thinking that maybe the teams struggles the last 3 years is certainly something that can be discussed.

Maybe he thinks it started earlier based on what some perceive as unusual behavior by Pat and her teams performance of the last 3 years.

I don't pretend to know a lot about this terrible disease, but I can say that I found her cancelling of the series to be out of character for her. And her halftime speaches were a little bizarre to me.

It certainly is ok to discuss it here whether it interests you or not.
 
doggydaddy said:
Well, clearly you don't care what happened 2-3 years ago with Pat, but just as clearly, others do.
And when you are coaching in a fishbowl, like Pat does, thinking that maybe the teams struggles the last 3 years is certainly something that can be discussed.

Maybe he thinks it started earlier based on what some perceive as unusual behavior by Pat and her teams performance of the last 3 years.

I don't pretend to know a lot about this terrible disease, but I can say that I found her cancelling of the series to be out of character for her. And her halftime speaches were a little bizarre to me.

It certainly is ok to discuss it here whether it interests you or not.
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still... my opinion stands!
 
doggydaddy said:
And her halftime speaches were a little bizarre to me.

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To me, her halftime speeches have been the same for the last 15 years. I did notice last season though that she seemed to be a little out of sorts from time to time on the sideline
 
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DC, the norm from onset of the disease to diagnosis is 3-3.5 years. So Tony's assumption is right in the wheelhouse of that number. Alzheimers is not a disease that comes on overnight. It is a progressive ailment that has a less than linear path that includes periods of seeming remission and, also, times of plateau and then times where larger changes can occur in relatively a short time. The predictability of the illness is that no two cases are alike but that there are large overall patterns. Earlier in the thread I posted links to information including some from the Mayo Clinic where Pat was diagnosed. Unfortunately it is information I have known about for too long since my father-in-law had Alzheimers and died from related issues more than 7 years ago.
 
Icebear said:
DC, the norm from onset of the disease to diagnosis is 3-3.5 years. So Tony's assumption is right in the wheelhouse of that number. Alzheimers is not a disease that comes on overnight. It is a progressive ailment that has a less than linear path that includes periods of seeming remission and, also, times of plateau and then times where larger changes can occur in relatively a short time. The predictability of the illness is that no two cases are alike but that there are large overall patterns. Earlier in the thread I posted links to information including some from the Mayo Clinic where Pat was diagnosed. Unfortunately it is information I have known about for too long since my father-in-law had Alzheimers and died from related issues more than 7 years ago.
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I totally understand what you're say Ice, personal experience and research. Others are just "assuming" over and over and over again.
Im just saying lets see what happens going forward... shoot she won 2 titles with this illness if we want to talk about 3-5yrs ago.
Ice thanks for providing me with some facts!
 
I just can't see her making it past this year, especially since her condition is now public. It's heartbreaking. Have you heard about Glen Campbell. He has the same disease and he is out on his "final" tour.
 
DaddyChoc said:
I totally understand what you're say Ice, personal experience and research. Others are just "assuming" over and over and over again.
Im just saying lets see what happens going forward... shoot she won 2 titles with this illness if we want to talk about 3-5yrs ago.
Ice thanks for providing me with some facts!
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My point wasn't about winning and losing. Parker can erase a world of possible bad coaching.

My point was her bizarre and out of character behavior in dropping Uconn, reporting them to the NCAA and weird behavior on the sidelines at times. And certainly this Senior class has underperformed and maybe but just maybe, her illsness had something to do with that.

You can disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a possiblilty.
 
doggydaddy said:
My point wasn't about winning and losing. Parker can erase a world of possible bad coaching.

My point was her bizarre and out of character behavior in dropping Uconn, reporting them to the NCAA and weird behavior on the sidelines at times. And certainly this Senior class has underperformed and maybe but just maybe, her illsness had something to do with that.

You can disagree, but it doesn't change the fact that this is a possiblilty.
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Paranoia is one characteristic of Alzheimers and related dementias. I am not sure, however, if what your suggesting fits or not, but it could well fit, maybe not.
 
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Maybe you didn't see this but it a quote from Kara Lawson that was in the Courant:

"I've spent a great deal of time with Coach the last year and a half, probably five months down in Knoxville," Lawson said Wednesday after a Connecticut Sun practice. "We knew something was wrong. We just didn't know what it was."
 
UConner said:
Maybe you didn't see this but it a quote from Kara Lawson that was in the Courant:

"I've spent a great deal of time with Coach the last year and a half, probably five months down in Knoxville," Lawson said Wednesday after a Connecticut Sun practice. "We knew something was wrong. We just didn't know what it was."
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That is an extremely normal comment from someone close to a person dealing with dementia. It is very telling about the situation. For a long time people simply sense something is off, something is different. Sometimes people chalk it up to the stress of the job or stress of a key relationship, etc. Sometimes it is simply new behaviors, such as personal sloppiness of a usually well kept individual. Things just seem off but often not so off they need addressing.
 
Icebear said:
That is an extremely normal comment from someone close to a person dealing with dementia. It is very telling about the situation. For a long time people simply sense something is off, something is different. Sometimes people chalk it up to the stress of the job or stress of a key relationship, etc. Sometimes it is simply new behaviors, such as personal sloppiness of a usually well kept individual. Things just seem off but often not so off they need addressing.
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exactly... like not winning games or huddles and substitutions.

laying in bed when you should be at an important meeting or calling Kara "Vicki" (not saying she did) is when things should be addressed!
 
It's not that simple, DC, because the sooner it is addressed the better since drugs like Aracept can only slow the progression and the earlier they are used the more maximum mental health they can maintain. Plus like all meds, some help some and not others and some folks have side effects and not others. But the sooner intervention and diagnosis occurs the better.
 
Waquoit said:
Doesn't matter who replaces Pat. They are just another program the minute she hangs it up.
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Let me ask you this, if Geno retired would UCONN become just another program? I think not! UCONN would still be a great program just like Tennessee would still be a great program if Pat retired.
 
connboy77 said:
Let me ask you this, if Geno retired would UCONN become just another program? I think not! UCONN would still be a great program just like Tennessee would still be a great program if Pat retired.
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UConn might be able to continue on, and will obviously try to do so, but the odds ar against it.
 
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