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lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good.
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3-1.

Eat .
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.
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You can't complain about us beating Butler. Butler went to two straight Final Fours by knocking out the one seed in their bracket. First year, it was Syracuse. Second year, it was Pitt. That Butler team frickin' owned the Big East. At least until they ran into us, then we made them look like the mid-majors they are. Put them back in their place.

The Butler games are in many ways a metaphor for the whole history of the Big East. Whereas other supposedly better teams failed to get it done, we had to come along and pick up the pieces to restore the league's reputation.

You're welcome.

(P.S. - we beat SDSU and Arizona in California to get to the Final Four. You went through Albany for your one little title)
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.
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lol. the 2011 team went undefeated in tournament play. 14-0 if I recall correctly. perhaps you may remember the five games preceding the NCAAs, at the Big East Tournament. the mediocre team you speak about beat Depaul, then #22 Georgetown, then #3 Pittsburgh, then #11 Syracuse, then #14 Louisville in five consecutive days. Was that also an easy draw?

by the way, in the NCAA tournament, those teams were a 6 seed (georgetown), a 4 seed (louisville), a 3 seed (syracuse) and a 1 seed (pittsburgh). so shut your mouth.
 
omniorange said:
And if tourney success is your one sole criteria, then I concede, UConn has been better.

But, if I choose to factor in overall success within the conference in my criteria, then the ONLY factor keeping UConn ahead of SU is 3 to 1. If, and that is a huge IF, we were fortunate enough to win a second NC this year then (and only then) SU's overall success in the conference is enough to push the Orange ahead of the Huskies, imho.

And that is not an unreasonable stance to take.

Cheers,
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3-2 is still 3-2. And, you know even more than us, Cuse isn't winning the championship. Won't sniff final four.

It'll be 4-1 before its 3-2, regardless of how conferences shake out
 
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cuse are 28-1 in their last 29 big east games, no team has ever had a run like that. they also have the most wins and highest winning % in big east history.
 
corduroyg said:
cuse are 28-1 in their last 29 big east games, no team has ever had a run like that. they also have the most wins and highest winning % in big east history.
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we're talking about regular season again, right? lol. move along
 
all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.


i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.
 
corduroyg said:
cuse are 28-1 in their last 29 big east games, no team has ever had a run like that. they also have the most wins and highest winning % in big east history.
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We went 49-5 in the Big East over a span of three full seasons. It's a lower winning percentage, but was sustained over longer time. We were probably around 25-1 in the middle of it.
 
corduroyg said:
all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.


i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.
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If people want to start playing the "what if" game, this could go both ways. I will give it to you that you were a Keith Smart missed shot from having 2 championships and got a tough matchup in 96. But we have had our share of bad luck and tough draws as well.

UConn was one missed Laetner shot away from adding at LEAST another Final Four to its history. Two of UConns very close Elite 8 losses came to the eventual National Champion (UCLA-95, MD-02). If Jerome Dyson were healthy in 2009 they probably beat MSU and give North Carolina a better game then the Spartans did...and im not even getting into all the times where UConn got stuck basically playing road games in the tournament because our opponents were playing in their home state.

Thats why you have to just take things for what they are and the numbers dont lie. I could make a case for UConn having 5 National Championships but it just didnt work out. Many teams in the past can make a case for themselves "if this happened" or "if that didnt happen". In a single elimination tournament, anything can happen.
 
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corduroyg said:
all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227
uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.
i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.
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"corduroy" first of all F Syracuse and thanks for your interest in UConn basketball....as far as the lack of respect crap you sling, keep it on your board where it has laways been a lack of respect. I know I have lost any respect for your program due to your fans not at all due to the ACC change. I think if you look around the Boneyard you will find the same thing happening with many of our fans, all solid Big East fans for year and years. Always supported the Cuse in the tourney no matter how indescribably lame the high % of you fan base was. Took it with a grain of salt despite the immaturity of the consistency in post hammering Calhoun and UConvict......somehow as soon as the ACC change was made public it has grown worst if that was possible. It is now where 98% of your fan base, which is uneducated in basketball anyway, is now so arrogant and moronic it is unbearable.

This Orange program, due to all of your pals, has made its way to the depths of Duke and Kentucky in a few months. You f'ers can't lose enough!!

Having said that The Cuse is the better program in terms of wins for the history of the program. Problem for you is UConn left your sorry a**es in the dust for the last 23 years and won outside of the BE in ways you guys have no clue. Thanks for carrying the BE banner with GTwon and the Johnnies for a few early years and then handing off to a team who found success in the NCAA tourney, something you guys know very little of.;)
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.
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OK, so take Cuse 2003 championship as well.

2 to 0.

And now Nova and G'town leapfrogged you in the standings.

And by the way, the teams UConn beat (Arizona and Kentucky) annihilated the 1 seeds in their games. Zone and Duke wasn't even close. Kentucky also derailed 1 seeds. So really, what are you talking about? It was a very hard road for UConn.

If you want to talk about easy, look at the 2004 UConn team. They had a cakewalk through the tourney.

But you're a fool to try to take away national championships.
 
orangehomer said:
at the end of the day, no one gives an F. like it or not, syracuse was the face of the conference and now the conference is dead. that's it. move on and write whatever you want about it.
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Man, you know you really have no facts to back up your argument when you have to resort to comments like this.
 
specialisthusky said:
Cuse lost to an 11 seed in 2011 and this dope is telling uconn fans we had an easy walk to a NC? What's in the water up there some of these people are delusional.

F cuse
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Hey, nothing says terrible like winning 10 NCAA tournament games over the course of 2 years.
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.
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Sounds like sour grapes. That UConn team had a post season run the likes of which few have ever had (5 games in 5 days, NCAA title). Certainly a greater accomplishment than anything a Syracuse team has done or will ever do. Waaaah! Now go find your pacifier.

3-1
 
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corduroyg said:
all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.
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See, we spotted you a decade, so those numbers are inflated. What would they be over the last 20 years? You guys have longevity, which is great. Syracuse has a longer history. But not a better one. That is why 3-1 matters.
One program has a longer history, the other is ELITE.
 
corduroyg said:
all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.


i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.
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I am sure you "missed" this, but please try to explain how you are ahead given:


NCAA success? Uconn
Big east tournament titles? Uconn
Big east regular season titles? Tied
Weeks ranked #1? Uconn
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*
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This is just plain stupid. Lucky draw my anal crevice. In Cuse's championship year they played UConn twice and never had a lead. Not even 2 to nothing. The latest in the either game where it was tied was 8-8. Cuse's best year ever and UConn owned them. If you are giving out asterisks, start at home.
 
omniorange said:
UConn was clearly the best team in the conference in the 90s, with Syracuse clearly second.
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This is misleading. The correct answer is UConn and .... The Big East took turns lining up behing UConn that decade. It was UConn and Nove for a big chunk. And UConn and St. Johns. And UConn and G'Town. And yes, UConn and Cuse.

Saying UConn and Syracuse were the two best teams of the 90's reminds me of when Bob Montgomery said that he and "Carlton Fisk were the best catching tandem in the American League."
 
Jerry1714 said:
I am sure you "missed" this, but please try to explain how you are ahead given:


NCAA success? Uconn
Big east tournament titles? Uconn
Big east regular season titles? Tied
Weeks ranked #1? Uconn
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And, of course, factor in All-Americans and NBA players, and it's a landslide.

And if you're a Cuse fan who wants to belittle the 2011 title (which is ignorance and jealousy), we have 2 other title teams that could trump anything a Cuse team has ever done.
 
Syracuse was the face of the conference? Not really. I'd say definitely UConn and possibly Georgetown. I mean, if you put Syracuse in a conference like the America East, they'd probably finish mid-pack due to their lackluster results against mid-major teams in big-time games.
 
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In the 45+ years I've watched Championship basketball in March, there have been occasions that a fluke team, rather than one of the Nations finest, won the NC. Carmelo Anthony & that march through the Big 8/12 certainly qualifies. Not a dominant team at all. So, when you are addressing a UConn 2011 - which beat darn fine San Diego State, Arizona & Kentucky teams, you are seriously in quicksand not mentioning the bizarre SU path through Albany.

Face of the Conference? My lasting memory is all the SU fans rushing out of MSG after their BET losses. They weren't hoop fans; they're like these mopes who bandwagon once in awhile only to disappear when their team of thugs goes down.
 
corduroyg said:
lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.
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So, you're three seed with a transcendent player--which did not win the BET championship but did tie for the regular season--playing in Boston and Albany, counts, and is legitimate, and UConn's three seed with a transcendent player--which did not win the regular season but did win the BET championship--playing in D.C. and Anaheim, doesn't count, and is illegitimate.

Good to see how your rules go.
 
tzznandrew said:
So, you're three seed with a transcendent player--which did not win the BET championship but did tie for the regular season--playing in Boston and Albany, counts, and is legitimate, and UConn's three seed with a transcendent player--which did not win the regular season but did win the BET championship--playing in D.C. and Anaheim, doesn't count, and is illegitimate.

Good to see how your rules go.
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These are Syracuse fans. Their best years were the 70's, 80's, 1 NCAA Championship, and 3 Elite Eights over the last 20+ years. They don't match up with us, although they find any ludicrous way to try to inflate their chests, which makes them look silly.
 
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LOL at you guys comparing 2011 to 2003. In 2003 we beat a 1 seed, 1 seed, and 2 seed (that was the most dominant team in the tourny at the time and who nobody thought cuse would beat) to win the title. you beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed. COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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