When the history of Big East Basketball is written....

[Huskies4ever]

Cuse has been the most consistent, not ever the best. I don't think you can name a decade Cuse was ever the best.

They have been consistently 2nd, 3rd or 4th though.

In terms of national perception. UConn falls just behind Duke, UK, KU, UNC, UCLA and Indiana in terms of being elite in men's basketball, perception. Cuse is slightly lower, behind MSU, UL and maybe one or two others, but clearly somewhere 10-15 at the worst.

In terms of conference, UConn spotted Cuse 10 years and still has more conference titles (combined, tied for regular season and 2 ahead for tournament). Cuse was never the face of the BE.

Cuse, consistently good, one time/year great, never truly elite.

There is a huge gap between programs that have won zero NC and 1, there is a big gap between those that have 1 and 2. There is even a bigger gap between those who have won 2 and those who have 3+.

^This. One is truly elite, the other is a tier below. The ultimate hardware speaks volumes.

 

[Adios]

at the end of the day, no one gives an F. like it or not, syracuse was the face of the conference and now the conference is dead. that's it. move on and write whatever you want about it.

You certainly give a F. Look at the deluded perceptions you come up with.

 

[zls44]

at the end of the day, no one gives an F. like it or not, syracuse was the face of the conference and now the conference is dead. that's it. move on and write whatever you want about it.

I am swayed by the overwhelming evidence presented.

 

[RS9999X]

You have to consider NIT appearances
Seton Hall and PC had 7 & 9 respectively. Compare that to the incoming CUSA-7. ECU has none and stole the NCAA autobid twice

 

[mauconnfan]

SYRACUSE: Where players become D League Legends!!

 

[babysheep]

Yeah I love how Cuse fans are all "well, if we win our second this year..."

Seriously, what, at all, gives any Cuse fan any indication that this season will end any differently than the other ones? They're always talented, but have hardly done anything with it. Take out one player, and you don't even have one NC.

 

[upstater]

Even UConn fans, though, need to rewind and look at UConn's first few years in the league. They were near the top of the conference.

 

[jleves]

Even UConn fans, though, need to rewind and look at UConn's first few years in the league. They were near the top of the conference.

Top of the conference? In 80 they were the 4 seed in a 7 team conference, won over 5 seed BC then lost to Cuse by 31. 81, 5 seed in an 8 team conference lost to 4 seed Nova. 82, 6 seed in 8 team conference, lost first round to SJU. 83, 7 seed in 9 team conference lost to Nova. 84, 7 seed in 9 team conference lost to Cuse. 85, 7 seed lost to GT in 9 team conference. 86, 8th seed in 9 team conference and lost to 9 Seton Hall. 87, 9th in 9 team conference and lost to BC (8). 88 9th, beat 8, lost to Pitt (1). 89, 7th and lost in the first round we played in to Seton Hall.

In the first 10 years, we were middle once (the first year) and then went downhill from there. They were never near the top of the conference in the first few years. The won two BET games in the first 10 years.

1990 changed everything.

 

[Huskies4ever]

Yeah I love how Cuse fans are all "well, if we win our second this year..."

Seriously, what, at all, gives any Cuse fan any indication that this season will end any differently than the other ones? They're always talented, but have hardly done anything with it. Take out one player, and you don't even have one NC.

I like how Cuse fans have crawled back into the hole they crawled out of.
"well, if we win our second this year..."
Who cares. If they win their second this year, they will still be behind us.

 

[upstater]

Top of the conference? In 80 they were the 4 seed in a 7 team conference, won over 5 seed BC then lost to Cuse by 31. 81, 5 seed in an 8 team conference lost to 4 seed Nova. 82, 6 seed in 8 team conference, lost first round to SJU. 83, 7 seed in 9 team conference lost to Nova. 84, 7 seed in 9 team conference lost to Cuse. 85, 7 seed lost to GT in 9 team conference. 86, 8th seed in 9 team conference and lost to 9 Seton Hall. 87, 9th in 9 team conference and lost to BC (8). 88 9th, beat 8, lost to Pitt (1). 89, 7th and lost in the first round we played in to Seton Hall.

In the first 10 years, we were middle once (the first year) and then went downhill from there. They were never near the top of the conference in the first few years. The won two BET games in the first 10 years.

1990 changed everything.

I wrote first few years. Not several years. I was referring to 80 thru 82. But I see now it was only the first 2 years that they held their own, before going into a 7 year funk. I guess my point is that UConn had a couple decent years under Perno, before falling off the map.

 

[corduroyg]

lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.

 

[DaveHuskiesFan]

lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good.

3-1.

Eat .

 

[Gurleyman]

lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.

You can't complain about us beating Butler. Butler went to two straight Final Fours by knocking out the one seed in their bracket. First year, it was Syracuse. Second year, it was Pitt. That Butler team frickin' owned the Big East. At least until they ran into us, then we made them look like the mid-majors they are. Put them back in their place.

The Butler games are in many ways a metaphor for the whole history of the Big East. Whereas other supposedly better teams failed to get it done, we had to come along and pick up the pieces to restore the league's reputation.

You're welcome.

(P.S. - we beat SDSU and Arizona in California to get to the Final Four. You went through Albany for your one little title)

 

[Mike Honcho]

lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.

lol. the 2011 team went undefeated in tournament play. 14-0 if I recall correctly. perhaps you may remember the five games preceding the NCAAs, at the Big East Tournament. the mediocre team you speak about beat Depaul, then #22 Georgetown, then #3 Pittsburgh, then #11 Syracuse, then #14 Louisville in five consecutive days. Was that also an easy draw?

by the way, in the NCAA tournament, those teams were a 6 seed (georgetown), a 4 seed (louisville), a 3 seed (syracuse) and a 1 seed (pittsburgh). so shut your mouth.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Since 1990, Syracuse has advanced to 3 Elite 8s.

 

[Ricky1Moore]

And if tourney success is your one sole criteria, then I concede, UConn has been better.

But, if I choose to factor in overall success within the conference in my criteria, then the ONLY factor keeping UConn ahead of SU is 3 to 1. If, and that is a huge IF, we were fortunate enough to win a second NC this year then (and only then) SU's overall success in the conference is enough to push the Orange ahead of the Huskies, imho.

And that is not an unreasonable stance to take.

Cheers,
Neil

3-2 is still 3-2. And, you know even more than us, Cuse isn't winning the championship. Won't sniff final four.

It'll be 4-1 before its 3-2, regardless of how conferences shake out

 

[corduroyg]

cuse are 28-1 in their last 29 big east games, no team has ever had a run like that. they also have the most wins and highest winning % in big east history.

 

[Mike Honcho]

cuse are 28-1 in their last 29 big east games, no team has ever had a run like that. they also have the most wins and highest winning % in big east history.

we're talking about regular season again, right? lol. move along

 

[corduroyg]

all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.


i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.

 

[Gurleyman]

cuse are 28-1 in their last 29 big east games, no team has ever had a run like that. they also have the most wins and highest winning % in big east history.

We went 49-5 in the Big East over a span of three full seasons. It's a lower winning percentage, but was sustained over longer time. We were probably around 25-1 in the middle of it.

 

[Gurleyman]

all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha.

Cute. Maybe you can make another t-shirt out of aggregate standings.

 

[Ts5034]

all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227

uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.


i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.

If people want to start playing the "what if" game, this could go both ways. I will give it to you that you were a Keith Smart missed shot from having 2 championships and got a tough matchup in 96. But we have had our share of bad luck and tough draws as well.

UConn was one missed Laetner shot away from adding at LEAST another Final Four to its history. Two of UConns very close Elite 8 losses came to the eventual National Champion (UCLA-95, MD-02). If Jerome Dyson were healthy in 2009 they probably beat MSU and give North Carolina a better game then the Spartans did...and im not even getting into all the times where UConn got stuck basically playing road games in the tournament because our opponents were playing in their home state.

Thats why you have to just take things for what they are and the numbers dont lie. I could make a case for UConn having 5 National Championships but it just didnt work out. Many teams in the past can make a case for themselves "if this happened" or "if that didnt happen". In a single elimination tournament, anything can happen.

 

[mauconnfan]

all time big east standings

syracuse 361-185
uconn 318-227
uconn is only 43 games behind syracuse, if only the big east would stick around for another 40 years maybe you'd catch us.

oh but right, 3-1 is the only thing that matters, gotcha. and you act like 3-1 is this monumental difference. we're a keith smart missed shot from having 2, and in our "cinderella" run in '96 we ran into 1 of the greatest college hoops team of all time in kentucky who had like 9 pros in the championship game. in your cinderella run in '11 you got an 8 seed in the championship game.
i got no problem listing uconn #1, but the lack of respect you guys show syracuse is a joke. we started this league. uconn wasnt being shown on big monday in the early days, it was syracuse. syracuse-st johns, syracuse-gtown, syraucse-uconn, syracuse-pitt, now syracuse-louisville.....what do all the biggest rivalries in the big east over the years have in common? SYRACUSE. uconn-pitt had a nice little rivalry in the mid 2000s, other than that all syracuse. you can run off all the postseason accolades all you want, uconn has been truly an elite program the last 20 years, but theyre not the face of the big east confernece, syracuse was, is and always will be.

"corduroy" first of all F Syracuse and thanks for your interest in UConn basketball....as far as the lack of respect crap you sling, keep it on your board where it has laways been a lack of respect. I know I have lost any respect for your program due to your fans not at all due to the ACC change. I think if you look around the Boneyard you will find the same thing happening with many of our fans, all solid Big East fans for year and years. Always supported the Cuse in the tourney no matter how indescribably lame the high % of you fan base was. Took it with a grain of salt despite the immaturity of the consistency in post hammering Calhoun and UConvict......somehow as soon as the ACC change was made public it has grown worst if that was possible. It is now where 98% of your fan base, which is uneducated in basketball anyway, is now so arrogant and moronic it is unbearable.

This Orange program, due to all of your pals, has made its way to the depths of Duke and Kentucky in a few months. You f'ers can't lose enough!!

Having said that The Cuse is the better program in terms of wins for the history of the program. Problem for you is UConn left your sorry a**es in the dust for the last 23 years and won outside of the BE in ways you guys have no clue. Thanks for carrying the BE banner with GTwon and the Johnnies for a few early years and then handing off to a team who found success in the NCAA tourney, something you guys know very little of.

 

[upstater]

lets be honest, you guys got ridiculously lucky in 2011. you got 2 legitimate titles and 1 that was gift wrapped. they should put an asterisk next to 2011.

uconn ncaa titles: 1999, 2004, 2011*

*lucked out with an incredibly easy draw, we have to list them as national champs since they beat the teams in front of them, but in reality they were a mediocre team that got hot at the right team and beat a 5 seed, 4 seed, and 8 seed to win the championship. they also got the weakest #2 seed in san diego st, who needed double ot just to get to the sweet 16. in a normal tournament this is a sweet 16 team at best, but sometimes its better to be lucky than good. the national championship game was so god awful and such an embarassing display of basketball between 2 less than stellar teams that we wish we could erase it from the record books completely.

OK, so take Cuse 2003 championship as well.

2 to 0.

And now Nova and G'town leapfrogged you in the standings.

And by the way, the teams UConn beat (Arizona and Kentucky) annihilated the 1 seeds in their games. Zone and Duke wasn't even close. Kentucky also derailed 1 seeds. So really, what are you talking about? It was a very hard road for UConn.

If you want to talk about easy, look at the 2004 UConn team. They had a cakewalk through the tourney.

But you're a fool to try to take away national championships.

 

[7774]

at the end of the day, no one gives an F. like it or not, syracuse was the face of the conference and now the conference is dead. that's it. move on and write whatever you want about it.

Man, you know you really have no facts to back up your argument when you have to resort to comments like this.