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HuskyHawk said:
The Celtics have a lot of options. Danny is savvy. He brought in Ray to lure Garnett, and got a championship. Morris wants to come back. Al said it depends on what Ainge does with the rest of the roster.

Double Down: Trade Tatum, Brown, Picks to Pelicans for Davis. Kyrie resigns. Al comes back. Hayward returns to form. Morris returns. That's a solid team.

Go Young: If that Kings pick is top 5-6, grab a PG in the draft. Especially if it is #2. Let Kyrie walk. Try to trade Hayward for a piece or keep him. Roll with the young guys plus Al, Smart and Morris. Hope Williams develops into a legit C so you can play Al at the 4.

There are a lot of variations here. I like the go young approach. Get a young point guard, add a cheap veteran PG, give Williams a chance and maybe Yabusele even develops.
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I like all of your points minus your final Yabusele bit.

The dancing bear ain't developing anymore than he already has....
 
Rocktheworld said:
Lol I’m sure there are tons of teams lining up to take Hayward’s contract.
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Yeah the odds of him regaining form are low, but the return for him in trade would basically be nothing and we’d eat most of the money. No point.
 
HuskyHawk said:
The Celtics have a lot of options. Danny is savvy. He brought in Ray to lure Garnett, and got a championship.
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Then he got too clever by half and traded away Kendrick Perkins (and a 2nd champioship) for literally nothing.
 
Dogdeacon said:
No basketball reasons for that, but hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies [you hope].
He who enters here loses all hope
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There’s definitely basketball reasons. The Celtics are primed to be stuck in basketball purgatory. Where they’re “good” but not “good enough” to seriously challenge for a title(think the joe Johnson Hawks). The Knicks have a legitimate chance to go into next season with 2 top 15 players and a lottery pick. Now is that a lot of “ifs”? Absolutely. But I’ll take our “ifs” over Boston’s definite mediocrity
 
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AntG168 said:
There’s definitely basketball reasons. The Celtics are primed to be stuck in basketball purgatory. Where they’re “good” but not “good enough” to seriously challenge for a title(think the joe Johnson Hawks). The Knicks have a legitimate chance to go into next season with 2 top 15 players and a lottery pick. Now is that a lot of “ifs”? Absolutely. But I’ll take our “ifs” over Boston’s definite mediocrity
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And if it’s say Morant, you definitely go all in for brow.

Just keep Mitchell.

Those 4 are already a title core.
 
UConnStats said:
Yeah the odds of him regaining form are low, but the return for him in trade would basically be nothing and we’d eat most of the money. No point.
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The only reason there is any chatter about Hayward is because other teams think they can dump their bad contracts on the Celtics to take an undervalued Hayward. The Celts are better off keeping him.

I hate Kyrie, and I think this departure and maybe picking up a serviceable point guard like George Hill will be a net positive for the Celtics next season.

I like Tatum and Brown, They had a bad season but Kyrie is poison and Hayward was still working back into the rotation. I think both young players will bounce back next season.

Keep Horford. He still has some miles left in him.

They should probably need to try and re-sign Morris.

If they got someone like George Hill, they could let Rozier go. I feel bad for IT, but his time has past. Denver was a quarter away from going down 0-2 to the Spurs at home in the first round, and they still wouldn't play him. He is done.
 
They should stay the course with their young core and do a mini-rebuild.
- Let Kyrie walk.
- Don't pursue AD, he doesn't fit their timeline and would require too many assets to acquire.
- Keep Tatum, Brown, Smart, and all their picks.
- Keep Horford and let him expire next summer. Maybe move him near the trade deadline next year.
- If you can trade Hayward without taking back equally bad salary, then great. I missed the Cavs article from last month that they were interested. I would be surprised if he was moved but well see. There are plenty of stupid front offices out there.

It's nearly impossible to sign Kemba, even if Kyrie walks and by some miracle Horford opts out they'd be short on cap space. They'd have to trade Hayward as well. I can't see both of those things happening with Horford and Hayward.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Lol I’m sure there are tons of teams lining up to take Hayward’s contract.
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Not a ton but a couple that would trade salaries.

Back to Utah for Ingles?? Or Korver and Crowder.

You may be right as well.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
The only reason there is any chatter about Hayward is because other teams think they can dump their bad contracts on the Celtics to take an undervalued Hayward. The Celts are better off keeping him.

I hate Kyrie, and I think this departure and maybe picking up a serviceable point guard like George Hill will be a net positive for the Celtics next season.

I like Tatum and Brown, They had a bad season but Kyrie is poison and Hayward was still working back into the rotation. I think both young players will bounce back next season.

Keep Horford. He still has some miles left in him.

They should probably need to try and re-sign Morris.

If they got someone like George Hill, they could let Rozier go. I feel bad for IT, but his time has past. Denver was a quarter away from going down 0-2 to the Spurs at home in the first round, and they still wouldn't play him. He is done.
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The talent is there for Brown and Tatum to bounce back. Tatum can really be special if he puts his mind to it. Hayward will be better. Back to the old Hayward? I don't know. Agree that you can't take on an over-priced contract for him. He has a chance to live up to his.

Al said whether he comes back depends on who he'd be playing with. But he's a $30M hit. I really like him as a player, but that's more than he's worth.

Morris loves playing for the Celtics and Stevens. He's the anti- Kyrie, unselfish team player. A glue guy.

Rozier being a RFA means that he's still an asset, even if he won't be on the team. They can trade those rights. Would the Pelicans want him? Might be a nice value PG with upside there in a deal for Davis.
 
HanDurley said:
Yeah cause that back court didn't bring us to game 7 of the conference finals last year or anything
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They should have won. They proved they couldn't get it done.
 
Lefty2one said:
They should stay the course with their young core and do a mini-rebuild.
- Let Kyrie walk.
- Don't pursue AD, he doesn't fit their timeline and would require too many assets to acquire.
- Keep Tatum, Brown, Smart, and all their picks.
- Keep Horford and let him expire next summer. Maybe move him near the trade deadline next year.
- If you can trade Hayward without taking back equally bad salary, then great. I missed the Cavs article from last month that they were interested. I would be surprised if he was moved but well see. There are plenty of stupid front offices out there.

It's nearly impossible to sign Kemba, even if Kyrie walks and by some miracle Horford opts out they'd be short on cap space. They'd have to trade Hayward as well. I can't see both of those things happening with Horford and Hayward.
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I put it earlier in this thread if you wanna read the article.

It would be jr smith and another contract.

So it would be nominal cap room this year but clearing gh and al for next summer could be huge....for a terrible fa class.

Danny really should’ve gone all in for Kawhi.
 
AntG168 said:
There’s definitely basketball reasons. The Celtics are primed to be stuck in basketball purgatory. Where they’re “good” but not “good enough” to seriously challenge for a title(think the joe Johnson Hawks). The Knicks have a legitimate chance to go into next season with 2 top 15 players and a lottery pick. Now is that a lot of “ifs”? Absolutely. But I’ll take our “ifs” over Boston’s definite mediocrity
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There are literally no basketball players on the Knicks right now that have even played in the playoffs (unless you count the millions they are paying to Yoakim Noah), its all 'cap space'. Counting those eggs as chickens, while simultaneously declaring 'Boston's definite mediocrity' show limited grasp of recent history, much less the meaning of definite.

The Knicks have a chance no doubt and I hope they become relevant (as of this writing they are not), yet I still point to EVERY SINGLE THING that has happened under the aforementioned James Dolan as definitive evidence that it'll fall short of expectations.
 
Dogdeacon said:
Why would anyone trade for Hayward right now, he's getting paid 30MM and plays like its $3.5M. I think he's got upside for next year, but high odds that his contract is an albatross - not as bad as John Wall's but top 10-ish for this offseason.
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Small market teams don't have the luxury of getting free agents. The best Pacer FA signing in my lifetime was David West in his early 30s.
 
the Q said:
I put it earlier in this thread if you wanna read the article.

It would be jr smith and another contract.

So it would be nominal cap room this year but clearing gh and al for next summer could be huge....for a terrible fa class.

Danny really should’ve gone all in for Kawhi.
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A. That's not an article, its a fan blog (his credentials I think are following the NBA since he was 9).* The Celtics aren't trading Hayward for JR Smith, even if the former is owed $30MM for 3yrs vs 15M for J.R. for one - J.R. doesn't fit the Celtics or Boston, that would be pure salary dumping and selling at a low.
B. Kawhi wasn't happening either, Celtics would have had to give up Tatum (prob) or Brown (& more) and it would have been for a ONE YEAR rental all-in. Not worth it b/c win or lose everyone knows Kawhi is going to CA next season.

Celtics had a crappy year, but no sense trying to undo that by saying they should have gone even more all-in the season and given up their continuing good odds via the draft picks. Depending on if Horford stays, they are 1-2 players away from championship contention - but that doesn't mean they should panic and become the Sixers & immediately collect the best parts available vs continuing to play the long game. Now just isn't the time for them to go all-in.

Celtics can still make a great offer for AD especially with future picks or likewise use future picks to potentially entice someone picking earlier than them in this year's draft if there is someone they like.

*Abhinav Seetharaman has been a passionate NBA follower for the last 13 years. He is an ardent Cavs fan who has supported the team since he first fell in love with basketball. While his favorite player is LeBron James, he still reps the Land all day and is incredibly excited to write for Cavaliers Nation. Abhinav received his undergraduate degree from Columbia University in May 2018, and will be returning to Columbia this fall to pursue his Masters. You can follow him at @AbhiSeeTheRamen.
 
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Dogdeacon said:
A. That's not an article, its a fan blog (his credentials I think are following the NBA since he was 9).* The Celtics aren't trading Hayward for JR Smith, even if the former is owed $30MM for 3yrs vs 15M for J.R. for one - J.R. doesn't fit the Celtics or Boston, that would be pure salary dumping and selling at a low.
B. Kawhi wasn't happening either, Celtics would have had to give up Tatum (prob) or Brown (& more) and it would have been for a ONE YEAR rental all-in. Not worth it b/c win or lose everyone knows Kawhi is going to CA next season.

Celtics had a crappy year, but no sense trying to undo that by saying they should have gone even more all-in the season and given up their continuing good odds via the draft picks. Depending on if Horford stays, they are 1-2 players away from championship contention - but that doesn't mean they should panic and become the Sixers & immediately collect the best parts available vs continuing to play the long game. Now just isn't the time for them to go all-in.

Celtics can still make a great offer for AD especially with future picks or likewise use future picks to potentially entice someone picking earlier than them in this year's draft if there is someone they like.

*Abhinav Seetharaman has been a passionate NBA follower for the last 13 years. He is an ardent Cavs fan who has supported the team since he first fell in love with basketball. While his favorite player is LeBron James, he still reps the Land all day and is incredibly excited to write for Cavaliers Nation. Abhinav received his undergraduate degree from Columbia University in May 2018, and will be returning to Columbia this fall to pursue his Masters. You can follow him at @AbhiSeeTheRamen.
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FWIW very little of Smith’s deal is guaranteed. It’s unlikely he’d ever see Celtics training camp.
 
UofCT2009 said:
Small market teams don't have the luxury of getting free agents. The best Pacer FA signing in my lifetime was David West in his early 30s.
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They’d have to let quite a few guys go to make it happen. But the upside is probably worth it.
 
AntG168 said:
I’m a die hard Knicks fan. And for the first time in a long time I’d not trade places with Boston at all. We’re set up beautifully moving foward. No reason for the pessimistic view. The Knicks for once in a long time are not dysfunctional. Scott Perry, Steve Mills, and David Fizdale have shown they have a plan and are doin a great job executing it. We’re coming..
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In theory, yes, the Knicks have a few balls to play this summer. But we're talking about James Dolan's Knickabockers here. They're so poorly run that they're starting to rub off on New York's other sports teams. I've grown to expect disappointment so anything other than that will be very much welcomed. But until it actually happens, I expect to see Durant and Kemba sign anywhere but New York, the Knicks to lose the lottery, and at least one really dumb max contract handed out. Probably two really bad max contracts. Throw in an awful trade and we have ourselves a typical Knicks summer.
 
Rozier needs to realize that the point guard position has a lot of great talent and he's not guaranteed to start at pg for any team that wants him. He can have a nice future with the Celtics if he realizes this.

Bye Bye Kyrie. He is so talented but just a weirdo, a poor leader, has a playing style that negatively influences the rest of the team and is not fun to root for.

Keep the picks and build around tatum and jalen brown. Tatum needs to stop taking so many contested 2's and get to the hoop. Once he started listening to Kobe and imitating Kyrie he regressed. Attack the basket or play less minutes.

Who knows what will happen with Horford and Hayward but I imagine Horford will opt in and be back next season.

Lastly, coach Stevens is a very good coach and has a very good basketball mind....but this season he should've put his foot down a little more. I'm amazed he stayed so calm. Most coaches would have publicly lost their mind a few times dealing with this particular team, which usually isn't good, but a little of that could've possibly shown his team a sense of urgency, which is something they played without.
 
I've seen a lot of dumb comments on here.
-I'd be okay with trading tatum and a pick or two for someone good (that's far fetched though)

I will not call something dumb BUT trading a budding superstar(and I disagree totally with your comments on him- but we all have our opinions) AND a pick or two for SOMEONE GOOD?
Not many in the business would consider Tatum-sub good.
And who is this we you keep referring to? What position do you hold with the Celts? (Just being snarky!!!)

all you who think that Davis will come to Boston without Kyrie still in a Celts uniform are just kidding yourselves. The chances of Kyrie staying are right now less than 10%
 
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gtcam said:
I've seen a lot of dumb comments on here.
-I'd be okay with trading tatum and a pick or two for someone good (that's far fetched though)

I will not call something dumb BUT trading a budding superstar(and I disagree totally with your comments on him- but we all have our opinions) AND a pick or two for SOMEONE GOOD?
Not many in the business would consider Tatum-sub good.
And who is this we you keep referring to? What position do you hold with the Celts? (Just being snarky!!!)

all you who think that Davis will come to Boston without Kyrie still in a Celts uniform are just kidding yourselves. The chances of Kyrie staying are right now less than 10%
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The Celtics best path is still telling Kyrie that the young kids he has issues with will all he traded and brow will be in Boston.

If that doesn’t get a commitment then you ha to hold your chips
 
the Q said:
The Celtics best path is still telling Kyrie that the young kids he has issues with will all he traded and brow will be in Boston.

If that doesn’t get a commitment then you ha to hold your chips
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That was the first of the two main options I laid out. But Irving is so toxic in Boston right now I don't see it happening.

Instead I see Danny trying to do something different, like get Drummond in Boston.
 
Smart is overrated because he's so tough, which is really his biggest plus. But he falls in love with his offense too much and it's not very good at all. Rosier I would love to see stay love his game, attitude and it's too bad they screwed him so he'll be leaving. Too many similar parts who see too much shared time. Tatum, Brown, Morris and Hayward all nice players but can't give them the same amount of time it's time to rely on a couple to break out. To be honest I'd start out with Jaylen Brown and then see who's interested in tatum and hayward if you can get some other pieces. Tatum, really nice player but something missing there for me but hey you guys watch it more than I so tell me what's wrong with my C's!
 
AntG168 said:
I’m a die hard Knicks fan. And for the first time in a long time I’d not trade places with Boston at all. We’re set up beautifully moving foward. No reason for the pessimistic view. The Knicks for once in a long time are not dysfunctional. Scott Perry, Steve Mills, and David Fizdale have shown they have a plan and are doin a great job executing it. We’re coming..
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Dolan
 
HuskyHawk said:
That was the first of the two main options I laid out. But Irving is so toxic in Boston right now I don't see it happening.

Instead I see Danny trying to do something different, like get Drummond in Boston.
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Drummond is the worst fit for the Celts
 
mauconnfan said:
Smart is overrated because he's so tough, which is really his biggest plus. But he falls in love with his offense too much and it's not very good at all. Rosier I would love to see stay love his game, attitude and it's too bad they screwed him so he'll be leaving. Too many similar parts who see too much shared time. Tatum, Brown, Morris and Hayward all nice players but can't give them the same amount of time it's time to rely on a couple to break out. To be honest I'd start out with Jaylen Brown and then see who's interested in tatum and hayward if you can get some other pieces. Tatum, really nice player but something missing there for me but hey you guys watch it more than I so tell me what's wrong with my C's!
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Smart is a really valuable role player, and he’s one of the better players on the team (based on vorp and bpm), but he needs to take another step back offensively (role wise). But his shot is basically broken. He needs some kind of jumper.
 
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