What I learned today watching WCBB

[DefenseBB]

I had a chance to watch the 2nd half of both Tenn/Texas and Oregon/Mich St and I saw 3 teams with lots of talent, 1 team without their best player out and another limited in minutes and who looked the best? Mich State as they executed a good coaching plan and maintained composure. Kudos to Karen and Kelly for getting talent on their teams and then making Holly Warlick look like a coaching savant by comparison. Seriously, they both are doing less with more. CHW certainly is no x’s and o’s Expert, yet today she was John Wooden when matched with Aston.
Good for Suzy Merchant and her program and an appearance should be forthcoming Top 25 tomorrow.
The good news for Texas, other than Baylor, the Big 12 should pose no other threats.
The bad news for Oregon is their coaching was exposed today as they possessed little offensive discipline when they needed it (ie coaching) and in the strong PAC12 they will be tested by 4/5 teams.

 

[Pre-3]

Didn't see but a little of the Marquette game. What I saw was some very athletic players that could run, shoot, catch and pass better than most.

 

[TitleTown]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier, I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

 

[victor64]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier, I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

I understand the wanting to be close to home but I immediately thought from the basketball standpoint, she is not going to develop in Austin. She looked out of shape, weaker than ONO and not nearly as smooth as ONO. Still would really like it if she was a Husky though. You can't teach tall.

 

[MoJeff FAN]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier. I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

So what? Old news. Who cares?

 

[Bayareahusky]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier, I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

Perhaps Collier made a great decision to go to Texas.... if she is just pedestrian in her approach to hoops then she shouldn't be good fit at UConn....

Aston didn't win points for coaching today.... but I will not speak highly of Holly either.... what was her scheme on the offensive end anyway.....

Meme Jackson..... a wonderful singular performance.... good for her

 

[TitleTown]

So what? Old news. Who cares?

Really? You have been around for like 5 minutes and you are going to start making posts like this? This is a UConn women's basketball forum, Collier was a UConn women's basketball commit. This is a thread discussing the team that Collier now plays for, get it?

 

[SJF]

What I took away from today is that there is a ton of talent player wise in the women's game! More than ever! The problem is because of the abundance of talent bad Coaches can win lots of games! But there are still only 4 real Coaches and UCONN, ND, Miss. St. and Stanford has them!

 

[TitleTown]

Perhaps Collier made a great decision to go to Texas.... if she is just pedestrian in her approach to hoops then she shouldn't be good fit at UConn....

Aston didn't win points for coaching today.... but I will not speak highly of Holly either.... what was her scheme on the offensive end anyway.....

Meme Jackson..... a wonderful singular performance.... good for her

Obviously the talent is there with Collier, I just think that Aston is not very good at developing/coaching that talent. She has routinely underachieved with rosters that were absolutely stacked with extremely talented players.

 

[Dillon77]

I had a chance to watch the 2nd half of both Tennw/Texas and Oregon/Mich St and I saw 3 teams with lots of talent, 1 team without their best player out and another limited in minutes and who looked the best? Mich State as they executed a good coaching plan and maintained composure. Kudos to Karen and Kelly for getting talent on their teams and then making Holly Warlick look like a coaching savant by comparison. Seriously, they both are doing less with more. CHW certainly is no x’s and o’s Expert, yet today she was John Wooden when matched with Aston.
Good for Suzy Merchant and her program and an appearance should be forthcoming Top 25 tomorrow.
The good news for Texas, other than Baylor, the Big 12 should pose no other threats.
The bad news for Oregon is their coaching was exposed today as they possessed little offensive discipline when they needed it (ie coaching) and in the strong PAC12 they will be tested by 4/5 teams.

In regards to the MSU-Oregon game, I agree that Coach Suzy Merchant put an excellent game plan in place, but I've got to point out that Jenna Allen was on fire: 11-14, including 3 of 4 from three-point land. And she was fearless in taking the lead for her team, which is always great to see. She performed admirably against ND last year and this game was (more than) a bit of an exclamation point. Along with Iowa's Gustafson and Michigan's Thome, she's another big that should remembered in B1G land.

 

[pvdoggy]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier, I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

and yet somehow she was nominated to the preseason list for top power forward, Katrina McClain Award before she even played a single minute of college basketball.

 

[Bigboote]

Yeah, great performance by Michigan State. I'm wondering if Oregon is over-hyped.

I really enjoyed seeing Marquette. Hiedeman at 5-8 with 15 rebounds. I think they'll be a tough out in March.

 

[uconnever]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier, I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

I was thinking the same thing while watching her today.....although its early in her career. The thought I had was......we always seem to have good luck with players that we end up with. Maybe if Collier stays, no ONO. Looks like we dodged one. Collier I'm sure will have a great career, but I think we got the better player for sure.

 

[bbfanLA]

What I took away from today is that there is a ton of talent player wise in the women's game! More than ever! The problem is because of the abundance of talent bad Coaches can win lots of games! But there are still only 4 real Coaches and UCONN, ND, Miss. St. and Stanford has them!

I agree but I think you can add Oregon State. Once Rueck starts getting more highly ranked recruits, they should be a force. He’s already done more with less as shown by a Final Four appearance along with an Elite Eight last year with no or virtually no high school All Americans.

 

[mudcat]

What I took away from today is that there is a ton of talent player wise in the women's game! More than ever! The problem is because of the abundance of talent bad Coaches can win lots of games! But there are still only 4 real Coaches and UCONN, ND, Miss. St. and Stanford has them!

Don't forget Rueck at OSU-West. I think he deserves to be up there with the other four.

 

[bbfanLA]

Don't forget Rueck at OSU-West. I think he deserves to be up there with the other four.

Ha! I said the same thing in the post right before yours.

 

[nwhoopfan]

with no or virtually no high school All Americans

With Slocum eligible this season is the first McDonald's All American Rueck has had at OSU. I'm not positive, but most likely none of his players have made the Parade All American list either.

 

[Bayareahusky]

I think you are right with this being the first All American..... Rueck is very good

He had to advertise in the student paper to get players only a few years ago

 

[todbo]

I have not been impressed at all by Charli Collier, I think she is going to regret not going to UConn. In the 3 games that she has played vs legitimate Division 1 teams(Michigan, Miss St., and Tenn) Collier has played a total of 44 minutes and produced a mere 10 points on 2 for 11 shooting. 7 rebounds, and 2 blocks.

You never know how a kid will ultimately fit in elsewhere. Courtney Ekmark at ASU had a 21-point day (in 22 minutes, with six threes) for the 17th ranked Sun Devils...

 

[BobbyJ]

and yet somehow she was nominated to the preseason list for top power forward, Katrina McClain Award before she even played a single minute of college basketball.

Shows you how much those "Internet Gurus" know. And some of those sites actually have people paying to read them.

 

[BobbyJ]

Obviously the talent is there with Collier, I just think that Aston is not very good at developing/coaching that talent. She has routinely underachieved with rosters that were absolutely stacked with extremely talented players.

I agree that Aston isn't much of a developer but slow feet plus slow reactions is never a good match.

 

[gamer]

Good Lord, Charli Collier has played in 7 or 8 games and it is already decided that Karen Aston should have developed her talent by now?

 

[shiverz45]

What I took away from today is that there is a ton of talent player wise in the women's game! More than ever! The problem is because of the abundance of talent bad Coaches can win lots of games! But there are still only 4 real Coaches and UCONN, ND, Miss. St. and Stanford has them!

That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen posted on here! In all of women college basketball you are saying that there are only 4 real coaches! I hope you are not making that assessment on the fact that those coaches have beaten UConn over the last several years. If so, that is a very shallow way of assessing someone's coaching ability.

 

[Jmsdawg]

Yeah, great performance by Michigan State. I'm wondering if Oregon is over-hyped.

I really enjoyed seeing Marquette. Hiedeman at 5-8 with 15 rebounds. I think they'll be a tough out in March.

Marquette is a really good team but you live by the 3 you will usually die by the 3 that night when the shots are just not falling.

 

[TitleTown]

Good Lord, Charli Collier has played in 7 or 8 games and it is already decided that Karen Aston should have developed her talent by now?

No, Aston's history of not developing talent or winning with rosters that are loaded with talent is the reason why Collier will regret her choice in going to Texas.

 

[mbr33ct]

Great game by the "Spartans", eight of them managed to live for another day.

In the Tenn/Texas game, I will give Tenn a partial due but what offense do they run? in a game they score 88 points they only manage 8 assists? Meme Jackson had a breakout game of 33 points in 40 minutes of play with 0 assists. The Lady Vols "offense" was Jackson and Westbrook, you would think Aston would try to stop one of them?

 

[HuskyNan]

I saw most of the Oklahoma-DePaul game. Neither team distinguished itself. In the first half, Oklahoma looked bewildered and lost, played almost no defense, and couldn’t make a shot. DePauls greatest challenge was avoiding defenders that were standing around with confused looks on their faces.

The second half was better for OK as DePaul exposed all of its weaknesses. Sherri Coale switched her team defense to a zone (I couldn’t identify what OK was trying to do in the first hal) and DePaul was missing its threes. DePaul panicked when its 27 point lead was cut and OK was able to get the difference down to 6 before DePaul got its collective head together.

Oklahoma plays hard but it has the look of a team that’s still a work in progress.

 

[Dillon77]

Yeah, great performance by Michigan State. I'm wondering if Oregon is over-hyped.

I really enjoyed seeing Marquette. Hiedeman at 5-8 with 15 rebounds. I think they'll be a tough out in March.

Marquette is a really good team but you live by the 3 you will usually die by the 3 that night when the shots are just not falling.

Enjoyed both of your observations. Somewhere on the 'yard, I've posted some thoughts on Marquette, having watched ND (barely) survive an OT game against them last year (at home no less).

- They are relentless and do best when the game is in a helter-skelter mode.
- If the game comes down to a three-point bombfest, as pointed out, you thrive by the three, but it can bring you back to earth really fast if they're not falling.
- They're susceptible to bigs and/or bigs' sidekicks as Miami (of Florida) and Mississippi State have proven this season. Beatrice Mompremeier had a double double of 20 points and rebounds against Marquette!

It's hard to exert energy in pushing tempo, shooting threes and then dealing with teams that are bigger than you. Exciting has heck, but it can lead to an early exit in tourneys if you have a well-coached team that knows how to withstand the pressure and/or one that just dominates the paint.

p.s. that said, I'm not looking forward to the ND-Marquette rematch just before Xmas in Milwaukee. So, MM had to have an Arike homecoming game against Marquette? (Why not Milwaukee?)

 

[IrishTiger]

Enjoyed both of your observations. Somewhere on the 'yard, I've posted some thoughts on Marquette, having watched ND (barely) survive an OT game against them last year (at home no less).

- They are relentless and do best when the game is in a helter-skelter mode.
- If the game comes down to a three-point bombfest, as pointed out, you thrive by the three, but it can bring you back to earth really fast if they're not falling.
- They're susceptible to bigs and/or bigs' sidekicks as Miami (of Florida) and Mississippi State have proven this season. Beatrice Mompremeier had a double double of 20 points and rebounds against Marquette!

It's hard to exert energy in pushing tempo, shooting threes and then dealing with teams that are bigger than you. Exciting has heck, but it can lead to an early exit in tourneys if you have a well-coached team that knows how to withstand the pressure and/or one that just dominates the paint.

p.s. that said, I'm not looking forward to the ND-Marquette rematch just before Xmas in Milwaukee. So, MM had to have an Arike homecoming game against Marquette? (Why not Milwaukee?)

It’s good to be challenged. Facing Milwaukee would do no good.

 

[CocoHusky]

You never know how a kid will ultimately fit in elsewhere. Courtney Ekmark at ASU had a 21-point day (in 22 minutes, with six threes) for the 17th ranked Sun Devils...

I am secretly hoping that ASU is a 3-4 seed in the Albany bracket come tournament time and that Courtney gets to end her career playing against UCONN.