What I Learned on the Boneyard Today

[J187Money]

What I learned on the Boneyard today:

If we had unleashed IADPP when we had the chance, we would be in the ACC.

 

[Waquoit]

What I learned on the Boneyard today:

If we had unleashed IADPP when we had the chance, we would be in the ACC.

Doubtful. His one initiative was mandating the Pledge of Allegience be recited at basketball games.

 

[huskeynut]

With all the chatter - we need another bourbon thread!

This board can drive one to drink at times.

 

[storrsroars]

You gonna stand for that kind of disrespect @storrsroars?

If there are such things as "Dead Snowflakes", I found them.

I do know that 8893 has eclectic tastes as he claims, substantiated by other posts where he likes the same stuff and I do, so he's not nearly as bad as some.

As for disrespecting me, you've already done enough today.

 

[Scalito]

If there are such things as "Dead Snowflakes", I found them.

I do know that 8893 has eclectic tastes as he claims, substantiated by other posts where he likes the same stuff and I do, so he's not nearly as bad as some.

As for disrespecting me, you've already done enough today.

Not my fault you are thick-headed.

 

[8893]

Dead Snowflakes

That would be a great band name.

NB: "Snowflakes," as you intend the term, connotes offense. I am not offended by your jokes; I just think they are tired and lame, i.e., I've heard them all before. Ironically, it seems that you are the one offended by that.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you assume most Deadheads have similar, narrow and uninteresting musical tastes. You need to get out more.

I'm currently around 20 hours into the 30-plus hour audiobook of Dennis McNally's unabridged Long Strange Trip, which is a Ken Burns or David McCullough-level treatment of the history of the band in terms of detail, breadth, depth and historical context. I think you would be fascinated to learn how off your assumptions are. As I type this, I am chuckling picturing you trying to make your case to Phil Lesh. I don't think you would be prepared to handle his response, and the extent to which it would lay bare your naïveté.

 

[storrsroars]

That would be a great band name.

NB: "Snowflakes," as you intend the term, connotes offense. I am not offended by your jokes; I just think they are tired and lame, i.e., I've heard them all before. Ironically, it seems that you are the one offended by that.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you assume most Deadheads have similar, narrow and uninteresting musical tastes. You need to get out more.

I'm currently around 20 hours into the 30-plus hour audiobook of Dennis McNally's unabridged Long Strange Trip, which is a Ken Burns or David McCullough-level treatment of the history of the band in terms of detail, breadth, depth and historical context. I think you would be fascinated to learn how off your assumptions are. As I type this, I am chuckling picturing you trying to make your case to Phil Lesh. I don't think you would be prepared to handle his response, and the extent to which it would lay bare your naïveté.

First off, I don't know why you're even arguing this point. You want to make a point about my using "snowflakes" as a perjorative, fine. The reaction to my criticism of the Dead is very similar to Carl's or 's or OTP's reaction if I were to criticize the Big Orange Fartbag. Circle the wagons and attack back. Defend at all costs. Start talking about how I don't understand the big picture. Heck, use cultish references while you're at it.

It's freaking creepy to me. You don't see this kind of reaction when someone criticizes the Beatles or Who.

Now, as to the rest of your assumptions, why would you think I'd even challenge an actual band member about their influences? Any band created in the 60s had Mississippi blues, jazz and probably even big band and Texas/Nashville country influences because that was all they'd be able to hear. There were no jam bands, because there weren't any at the time. I imagine Lesh and bandmates listen to all sorts of stuff that his followers wouldn't conceive of putting on a turntable.

And that's not all that different from any other good musician. Frampton was influenced by Django Rhinehart. Artists as disparate as John Fogarty and Dave Davies both cite Duane Eddy as a huge influence. Duane Allman was influenced by Miles Davis and Coltrane.

None of that has anything to do with the respective fanbases. I seriously doubt many concertgoers who've seen Frampton, Fogarty or the Allmans have given a listen to Django, Eddy, Davis or Coltrane.

Btw, I think I've mentioned I own American Beauty and a "greatest hits" compilation. And there was a time in either 87 or 88 where my girlfriend and I actually stayed home one NYE and watched a Dead NYE show on HBO. And I bought tix to a show in NH once, although Jerry was too, um... ill... to perform so they cancelled. I've tried, man. I've given them plenty of opportunity.

I'd think you - as someone who listens to The Loft and Meg Griffin - and perhaps at some point listened to other freeform jocks like Vin Scelsa and the late Pete Fornatale - would get this better than the average schmuck who mostly listens to stuff in his/her own silo because while those algorithms on Spotify and Pandora can dissect musical DNA, they can't make the emotional connections that a great freeform DJ could make.

You've been exposed to a lot of different kinds of music as was I. You like the Dead, I kinda don't all that much. And I'll add that in my own personal experience, if I'm looking at the record collection of a Deadhead, I've got a pretty good idea what I'm going to find (Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and what I'm not (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello). That's basically all I'm getting at.

 

[JMick]

First off, I don't know why you're even arguing this point.

Why would you think I'd even challenge an actual band member about their influences? Any band created in the 60s had Mississippi blues, jazz and probably even big band and Texas/Nashville country influences because that was all they'd be able to hear. There were no jam bands, because there weren't any at the time. I imagine Lesh and bandmates listen to all sorts of stuff that his followers wouldn't conceive of putting on a turntable.

And that's not all that different from any other good musician. Frampton was influenced by Django Rhinehart. Artists as disparate as John Fogarty and Dave Davies both cite Duane Eddy as a huge influence. Duane Allman was influenced by Miles Davis and Coltrane.

None of that has anything to do with the respective fanbases. I seriously doubt many concertgoers who've seen Frampton, Fogarty or the Allmans have given a listen to Django, Eddy, Davis or Coltrane.

Btw, I think I've mentioned I own American Beauty and a "greatest hits" compilation. And there was a time in either 87 or 88 where my girlfriend and I actually stayed home one NYE and watched a Dead NYE show on HBO. And I bought tix to a show in NH once, although Jerry was too, um... ill... to perform so they cancelled. I've tried, man. I've given them plenty of opportunity.

I'd think you - as someone who listens to The Loft and Meg Griffin - and perhaps at some point listened to other freeform jocks like Vin Scelsa and the late Pete Fornatale - would get this better than the average schmuck who mostly listens to stuff in his/her own silo because while those algorithms on Spotify and Pandora can dissect musical DNA, they can't make the emotional connections that a great freeform DJ could make.

You've been exposed to a lot of different kinds of music as was I. You like the Dead, I kinda don't all that much. And I'll add that in my own personal experience, if I'm looking at the record collection of a Deadhead, I've got a pretty good idea what I'm going to find (Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and what I'm not (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello). That's basically all I'm getting at.

it's been really easy to get on 8893's bad side lately. I hope he's ok

 

[Fishy]

The Grateful Dead is terrible.

I also blame them for Phish.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

None of that has anything to do with the respective fanbases. I seriously doubt many concertgoers who've seen Frampton, Fogarty or the Allmans have given a listen to Django, Eddy, Davis or Coltrane. . . .
if I'm looking at the record collection of a Deadhead, I've got a pretty good idea what I'm going to find (Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and what I'm not (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello). That's basically all I'm getting at.

This is a strange hill to die on. In my experience it's not remotely true. People are more interesting than you give them credit for. You just sound like an uninformed snob. You must be a blast at parties.

 

[Yardigan]

First off, I don't know why you're even arguing this point. You want to make a point about my using "snowflakes" as a perjorative, fine. The reaction to my criticism of the Dead is very similar to Carl's or 's or OTP's reaction if I were to criticize the Big Orange Fartbag. Circle the wagons and attack back. Defend at all costs. Start talking about how I don't understand the big picture. Heck, use cultish references while you're at it.

It's freaking creepy to me. You don't see this kind of reaction when someone criticizes the Beatles or Who.

Now, as to the rest of your assumptions, why would you think I'd even challenge an actual band member about their influences? Any band created in the 60s had Mississippi blues, jazz and probably even big band and Texas/Nashville country influences because that was all they'd be able to hear. There were no jam bands, because there weren't any at the time. I imagine Lesh and bandmates listen to all sorts of stuff that his followers wouldn't conceive of putting on a turntable.

And that's not all that different from any other good musician. Frampton was influenced by Django Rhinehart. Artists as disparate as John Fogarty and Dave Davies both cite Duane Eddy as a huge influence. Duane Allman was influenced by Miles Davis and Coltrane.

None of that has anything to do with the respective fanbases. I seriously doubt many concertgoers who've seen Frampton, Fogarty or the Allmans have given a listen to Django, Eddy, Davis or Coltrane.

Btw, I think I've mentioned I own American Beauty and a "greatest hits" compilation. And there was a time in either 87 or 88 where my girlfriend and I actually stayed home one NYE and watched a Dead NYE show on HBO. And I bought tix to a show in NH once, although Jerry was too, um... ill... to perform so they cancelled. I've tried, man. I've given them plenty of opportunity.

I'd think you - as someone who listens to The Loft and Meg Griffin - and perhaps at some point listened to other freeform jocks like Vin Scelsa and the late Pete Fornatale - would get this better than the average schmuck who mostly listens to stuff in his/her own silo because while those algorithms on Spotify and Pandora can dissect musical DNA, they can't make the emotional connections that a great freeform DJ could make.

You've been exposed to a lot of different kinds of music as was I. You like the Dead, I kinda don't all that much. And I'll add that in my own personal experience, if I'm looking at the record collection of a Deadhead, I've got a pretty good idea what I'm going to find (Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and what I'm not (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello). That's basically all I'm getting at.

Actually...I love the Dead, and I DO have all of these: "Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello)"...not to mention Big Audio Dynamite, The Replacements, Led Zep, Wang Chung, Madonna, Frank Zappa, The Outlaws, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Heart, Cheap Trick and the B52s among others.....and while not a fan, I really liked Lady Gaga's Bowie tribute....

Can't put all Dead fans in a box...

 

[8893]

And I'll add that in my own personal experience, if I'm looking at the record collection of a Deadhead, I've got a pretty good idea what I'm going to find (Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and what I'm not (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello). That's basically all I'm getting at.

You're wrong.

it's been really easy to get on 8893's bad side lately. I hope he's ok

You're irrelevant.

Can't put all Dead fans in a box...

I was going to write a lot more, but this really captures the essence, and it's not worth the effort if they don't get that.

 

[Fishy]

Can't put all Dead fans in a box...

If I could, I would.

And then I would drop the box in a volcano.

 

[8893]

The Grateful Dead is terrible.

I also blame them for Phish.

This from a man who doesn't like food other than cereal and hot dogs.

 

[jleves]

If I could, I would.

And then I would drop the box in a volcano.

Starting with Bill Walton.

 

[8893]

If I could, I would.

And then I would drop the box in a volcano.

I've been dying to go to Hawaii!

 

[8893]

Starting with Bill Walton.

I can't think of a better way to go than in a volcano with Bill Walton.

 

[Yardigan]

I can't think of a better way to go than in a volcano with Bill Walton.

Only one of the best college hoops announcers ever....

 

[JMick]

I can't think of a better way to go than in a volcano with Bill Walton.

By the time he got done talking I'd be ready to die.

 

[Fishy]

This from a man who doesn't like food other than cereal and hot dogs.

I don't like hot dogs.

 

[storrsroars]

This is a strange hill to die on. In my experience it's not remotely true. People are more interesting than you give them credit for. You just sound like an uninformed snob. You must be a blast at parties.

I am a blast a parties! People think I have the most interesting music... you should come to a chili party where the playlist is heavy on Slim Whitman and Lyle Lovett.

 

[storrsroars]

Actually...I love the Dead, and I DO have all of these: "Steely Dan, CSNY, some prog-rock) and (Bowie, Alice Cooper, Elvis Costello)"...not to mention Big Audio Dynamite, The Replacements, Led Zep, Wang Chung, Madonna, Frank Zappa, The Outlaws, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club, Heart, Cheap Trick and the B52s among others.....and while not a fan, I really liked Lady Gaga's Bowie tribute....

Can't put all Dead fans in a box...

I never put all of any group into a box. I just put most of them in that box.

 

[Yardigan]

I never put all of any group into a box. I just put most of them in that box.

Well...most people that would pt most of a group in a box are...well...you know...

btw...love the avatar....

 

[storrsroars]

Well...most people that would pt most of a group in a box are...well...you know...

Boxers.

 

[8893]

I never put all of any group into a box. I just put most of them in that box.

Still wrong man. Really, really wrong. I know hundreds of Deadheads and your assumptions would be wrong for the vast majority of them.

Going just by the examples you cite, which are pretty pedestrian even by your standards, not only do I and most I know own albums from all of them, but Bowie and Costello would be icons for sure. I've seen both live several times and have actually met Costello. Cooper is a caricature to me for the most part, but what kid didn't love "School's Out"?

I don't have any issue at all with people who don't get the Dead. I expect that most don't. Just as we can't help our musical DNA, we can't help the way that our brains are wired. Some are wired more conservative and some are wired more liberal, and it surprises me none the way that it breaks down here.

The issue I have is when people who don't get it make pejorative assumptions about those who do.

Which brings me back to what I said many posts ago on this subject: good music is whatever moves you. Isn't that what it's supposed to do? If it moves someone else but doesn't move you, why does that bother you, such that you need to cast aspersions on it and the people who like it?

That is something I will simply never, ever get.