OT: What changes are you and family making to your lifestyle due to coranavirus?

[Chin Diesel]

Because someone elsewhere used Florida data to suggest young people aren’t dying, which is dangerously false.

NPR station in Florida has noted issues with Florida’s count:There's Something Strange About Florida's Coronavirus Data.

You can use any data you want across the US. Younger people, for discussion, say under 45, are not dying at large rates from the corona? Catch it? Yes? Require hospitalization? Some, but not many. Dying from it? Very few. Dying from it at higher rates in large metro areas with significant public transportation? Absolutely. But still nothing to cripple the country and drive it to a halt.

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[Kitaman]

Dead people getting stimulus. I would hope a widow or widower would be able to keep the money, or even a parent. Hell I guess if someone died from the virus the check should be treated like an insurance payment check (beneficiary).

Dead people getting paid

 

[Kitaman]

Animals lovin the virus!

 

[NJHusky]

I trust no one source for completely accurate information, but here is one for Florida residents. Yes, some youngin's are catching the corona but they aren't dying from it.


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And I wonder what % of those under 55 had some pre-existing condition?

 

[browndog319]

Good Call!

It was such a good call that it was up 16% today.
but did I buy???? NO, I didn’t, because I’m an idiot.
I hope you did. If it flakes a bit tomorrow I might go in. I think it’s going up more because the study locking this month.
I don’t work for Gilead. This isn’t insider! This is all public info! I do work for industry and read industry stuff a bit, but I’m not taking you down the Martha Stewart path...

 

[Kitaman]

Here's a professional face to put with the virus:

 

[Kitaman]

This is not the flu:

 

[8893]

 

[auggie22]

I don't know what the number is but there's no way Florida's numbers are that low, I don't even think they're reporting nursing home deaths in any data.

the Yale research about the effects of heat and humidity on flu infection and mortality could explain this.

 

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The highlighted blue band is going to be excruciating. And for how longgggggg

 

[8893]

The highlighted blue band is going to be excruciating. And for how longgggggg

11/3/20

 

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11/3/20

That’s my birthday

 

[8893]

That’s my birthday

Whoa. Spooky.

 

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Whoa. Spooky.

 

[8893]

Interesting read for other outdoor runners and/or brisk walkers: initial studies show that safe distancing to avoid air droplets in your wake is more like 15 to 30 feet:

For Runners, Is 15 Feet the New 6 Feet for Social Distancing?

 

[Chin Diesel]

Interesting read for other outdoor runners and/or brisk walkers: initial studies show that safe distancing to avoid air droplets in your wake is more like 15 to 30 feet:

For Runners, Is 15 Feet the New 6 Feet for Social Distancing?

Seems to make sense. As a few others have noted on corona threads when you are running or exerting yourself you tend to breathe heavier and force droplets out of your mouth a greater distance than sitting at a desk or on a couch.

 

[8893]

Seems to make sense. As a few others have noted on corona threads when you are running or exerting yourself you tend to breathe heavier and force droplets out of your mouth a greater distance than sitting at a desk or on a couch.

Agreed. I haven't been wearing a mask when I run or go for brisk walks or hikes, but now I'm thinking I should be (to protect others in my wake). All I have right now are a handful of surgical masks and I don't think those would be good for running, so I'm going to have find something for that.

 

[HuskyHawk]

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Yeah, except that's not what we are seeing. The curve isn't bell shaped. Take it about 1/3 to 1/2 the way to the bottom and then make it horizontal. Essentially, it does not go back to zero at all.

I'm not sure when it happened, but "flatten the curve" became misconstrued. Think of two curves one steep, one flatter, but with the same volume under each. That's closer to the reality. Reducing the steepness of the curve helps avoid overloading the ICU capacity we have, but the same number of people actually get the virus. They just do it over a longer period of time, and fewer die because the hospitals can keep up.

Now several people think we can just stay quarantined forever and wait this out. Not possible. That wasn't the goal. It can't be the goal.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Agreed. I haven't been wearing a mask when I run or go for brisk walks or hikes, but now I'm thinking I should be (to protect others in my wake). All I have right now are a handful of surgical masks and I don't think those would be good for running, so I'm going to have find something for that.

I can tell you that even walking with the fabric masks fogs up my glasses instantly. Those quite severely restrict your air intake. You can probably pull it off if you leave your nose exposed, but I don't think you can realistically run covering both.

 

[8893]

Yeah, except that's not what we are seeing. The curve isn't bell shaped. Take it about 1/3 to 1/2 the way to the bottom and then make it horizontal. Essentially, it does not go back to zero at all.

I'm not sure when it happened, but "flatten the curve" became misconstrued. Think of two curves one steep, one flatter, but with the same volume under each. That's closer to the reality. Reducing the steepness of the curve helps avoid overloading the ICU capacity we have, but the same number of people actually get the virus. They just do it over a longer period of time, and fewer die because the hospitals can keep up.

Now several people think we can just stay quarantined forever and wait this out. Not possible. That wasn't the goal. It can't be the goal.

Yes, I am very well aware that you have been in the "we overreacted" camp from the get-go. I didn't think I needed to add a note that the graph is not to scale, but I think it made the point--and so did you.

 

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[HuskyHawk]

Yes, I am very well aware that you have been in the "we overreacted" camp from the get-go. I didn't think I needed to add a note that the graph is not to scale, but I think it made the point--and so did you.

Honestly, I support the limited closures and stay at home. I oppose what I am seeing now, which is a bunch of people who are living in mortal terror of ever leaving the house again.

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

Yeah, except that's not what we are seeing. The curve isn't bell shaped. Take it about 1/3 to 1/2 the way to the bottom and then make it horizontal. Essentially, it does not go back to zero at all.

I'm not sure when it happened, but "flatten the curve" became misconstrued. Think of two curves one steep, one flatter, but with the same volume under each. That's closer to the reality. Reducing the steepness of the curve helps avoid overloading the ICU capacity we have, but the same number of people actually get the virus. They just do it over a longer period of time, and fewer die because the hospitals can keep up.

Now several people think we can just stay quarantined forever and wait this out. Not possible. That wasn't the goal. It can't be the goal.

I feel like we are in a perilous middle ground. Didn’t flatten the curve soon enough. Did just enough to avoid the steepest curve but in doing so we’re stretching it out and don’t have the “benefit” of it passing through quickly. Trying to make up for the halfmeasures by extending them forever and canceling everything people love is the worst of both possibilities.

 

[Palatine]

Reopening will produce some spikes that will leave some dead. And that will make some people nuts.

But the real macro-picture here is that if the US economy sinks into a depression which is possible with an unlimited lockdown, then it will very likely become a world depression. The results of a world depression are truly catastrophic. We're talking starvation, riots, and even the breakdown of civil society in some countries. And that is NOT an exaggeration.

We have to pay the piper one way or the other. There is no easy way out. So the disease will have another bite at the apple. Let's hope we're well prepared. But we have to end the lockdown or the cure will be much worse than the disease.

 

[8893]

I can tell you that even walking with the fabric masks fogs up my glasses instantly. Those quite severely restrict your air intake. You can probably pull it off if you leave your nose exposed, but I don't think you can realistically run covering both.

I have a balaclava type mask that is great for skiing because it has a hinged covering for the mouth and nose that lets you pull it up and down with ease, but it also covers the head and neck, so not ideal for running. I still may give that a try tomorrow though. Unfortunately the weather looks nasty enough that the extra covering probably won't be an issue, but I don't expect that I'll be able to make much use of it when it warms up again.

ETA: This is what I have (in a different color, but same model)

 

[Kitaman]

Honestly, I support the limited closures and stay at home. I oppose what I am seeing now, which is a bunch of people who are living in mortal terror of ever leaving the house again.

I'm seeing some adjustments but still using safe distancing. Sitting on car trunks, people talking to neighbors from their driveways (to porch), people doing drive-bys for wellness checks. Most importantly I am witnessing people politely and patiently abiding by the distancing rules at stores even waiting outside until its their turn to enter.

My daughter lives 200 miles away and her birthday is May 2nd. My wife and I will be doing a drive-by (wellness check) that Saturday to drop off gifts and put our minds at ease. Sadly no touching, yet I suspect I'll have to restrain my wife since we haven't seen her since January.

I think we will learn how to visit friends without putting either one of us at risk. Its basically the more we learn the more we are able to adapt. A lot of people seem conscious of safe distancing/practices and wearing protection. Personal isolation is slowly changing, but still no crowds which is forbidden.

Just saying all this mitigation people are doing will help transition us into the 'new normal' when the restrictions are lifted (in part or in full).

Back to work, however is a whole different matter.

 

[HuskyHawk]

I feel like we are in a perilous middle ground. Didn’t flatten the curve soon enough. Did just enough to avoid the steepest curve but in doing so we’re stretching it out and don’t have the “benefit” of it passing through quickly. Trying to make up for the halfmeasures by extending them forever and canceling everything people love is the worst of both possibilities.

Sort of. We failed to flatten the curve in a few hard hit locations like metro NYC and Boston. I think most of the country has flattened it just fine. Like you, I believe the density and reliance on public transit materially increase risk of transmission. It is pretty clear that community spread hit different places at different times. It was spreading in NYC well before lockdown. It probably wasn't spreading in say, Omaha, before lockdown, even if that came later. Boston got clobbered by that damned Biogen conference.

 

[Waquoit]

Reopening will produce some spikes that will leave some dead. And that will make some people nuts.

Ya think? You first.

 

[superjohn]

I saw someone eating toilet paper at the store, people are definitely starting to lose it.

 

[mussels]

I saw someone eating toilet paper at the store, people are definitely starting to lose it.

That's crazy. I generally wait till I get home.