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OT: What changes are you and family making to your lifestyle due to coranavirus?

Jaker said:
I hear they are locking down spring break in Florida, kids getting out og control.
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I’m in Florida on vacation. Fort Myers downtown was very quiet last weekend before they shut bars down this week. Spring Break kids definitely partying though and acting like it’s a joke or they’re immortal from what I’ve seen. Not a good mix, considering all the elderly here who can be infected.
 
I forget if it was this thread or not, but a while back I mentioned that a man in Japan had tested positive for coronavirus and then posted that he would intentionally spread it to people. He subsequently went to various restaurants with the intention of exposing people.

It was announced that he died today. He already had cancer before getting coronavirus.
 
metsfan2323 said:
I get airlines closing because of the close proximity issue, but why interstates? That seems completely absurd.
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It won't really matter anyway - more and more states / cities are going to go to "shelter in place" lockdown so it will be come a police state pretty quickly.
 
Jaker said:
I hear they are locking down spring break in Florida, kids getting out og control.
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Anecdotally, no. Beaches are open and plenty of people are there. However............it's mostly locals and people within driving distance. My daughter has been at the beach with her friends everyday since Saturday. The recommendation is to keep in groups of 10 or less but I don't ever remember going to beaches in groups of more than 10- and that includes when I was a college student on spring break. Hanging out in open air and in salt water isn't a good means to transmit the corona.

Bars and clubs (Defined by the state as 50% or more sales through alcohol) closed yesterday at 5pm for 30 days. Restaurants can stay open but must reduce capacity and keep tables at least 6' apart. Some local breweries are having drive through or window sales of growlers and canning beers. I'll do my best to support them as possible.
 
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Letsgohuskies11 said:
a family friend who is a dentist isnt accepting teeth cleanings but only doing cavities and that sort of stuff.
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In Mass and RI they were forced to close. It wasn't voluntary.
 
husky8273 said:
www.wsj.com

A Generational War Is Brewing Over Coronavirus

Scientists and government officials fighting the pandemic say they have a problem: Carefree youths, partying from Berlin to Princeton in defiance of social-distancing rules.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
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We live in a weird society where a majority of the people got the opinion that health related epidemics/pandemics are expected to uniformly affect all age groups, genders, races, economic status, previous health conditions, geographic location......…….....equally. The history of major health crisis says otherwise.

This one is affecting older people and people with existing conditions way harder than healthy youth. I'd put more emphasis on isolating and helping those who are at high risk rather than blanket policies. Good for the kids. Go out, have fun. Be social. Just don't go back home to granny or gramps and tell them about it. Send 'em a text or video message.
 
superjohn said:
You won't be going on any college visits anytime soon.

People still don't seem to grasp what's going on here. My buddy told me CT. had 10,000 people apply for unemployment yesterday. During the 2008 recession it was 5,000 a week.

We are so late on this and still not doing the necessary things. The way I see it, we have a choice to make. We continue with half measures and have to be comfortable with dealing with this for like a year, having our health system overrun and have like 500,000 to 1-2 million (mostly old people die) or we shut everything down right now like other countries have already done.

Certain parts of America will be shutting everything down within 48 hours I think.
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Massachusetts is pretty much shut down. Has been since late last week. 20,000 unemployment claims here.

There are no good choices. None. Shutting things down will cause irreparable short and long term damage to tens of millions of people's lives in the United States. Many of them the youngest. And most of the elderly will live. That's where we are. It truly sucks. This isn't half measures. This is extreme measures already.

The only outcome we can hope for is a vaccine within the next 2-3 weeks. Beyond that we are in uncharted waters. The city of Philadelphia just said it's not arresting people anymore for burglary, theft, etc. If you don't think that's a recipe for wide scale public violence I don't know what is.
 
Jaker said:
I hear they are locking down spring break in Florida, kids getting out og control.
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So it appears it's up to the local communities what to do with the beaches. Some South Florida beaches are closing. Makes sense. Others, are staying open. Also makes sense.

www.pnj.com

Pensacola Beach, Navarre Beach stay open, officials call for groups no larger than 10

Both Pensacola Beach and Navarre Beach will remain open, officials said Tuesday, though people are asked to stay in groups of 10 or less.
www.pnj.com www.pnj.com
 
Chin Diesel said:
We live in a weird society where a majority of the people got the opinion that health related epidemics/pandemics are expected to uniformly affect all age groups, genders, races, economic status, previous health conditions, geographic location......…….....equally. The history of major health crisis says otherwise.

This one is affecting older people and people with existing conditions way harder than healthy youth. I'd put more emphasis on isolating and helping those who are at high risk rather than blanket policies. Good for the kids. Go out, have fun. Be social. Just don't go back home to granny or gramps and tell them about it. Send 'em a text or video message.
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What about kids that live with grandparents?
 
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J187Money said:
It won't really matter anyway - more and more states / cities are going to go to "shelter in place" lockdown so it will be come a police state pretty quickly.
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The cynic in me thinks they've been itching to practice this for a while now. Now they will have an excuse to test and later perfect. Hope I'm just being paranoid.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Massachusetts is pretty much shut down. Has been since late last week. 20,000 unemployment claims here.

There are no good choices. None. Shutting things down will cause irreparable short and long term damage to tens of millions of people's lives in the United States. Many of them the youngest. And most of the elderly will live. That's where we are. It truly sucks. This isn't half measures. This is extreme measures already.

The only outcome we can hope for is a vaccine within the next 2-3 weeks. Beyond that we are in uncharted waters. The city of Philadelphia just said it's not arresting people anymore for burglary, theft, etc. If you don't think that's a recipe for wide scale public violence I don't know what is.
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Vaccines take at least a year... better chance is that they discover a medicine or cocktail of medicines that reduce symptoms and shorten incubation. I have modest hope that’s coming within a few weeks.

The only real hope we have right now is people staying home. South Korea got hit on a similar timeline as us and is already looking up while we haven’t come close to seeing the worst because they took social isolation seriously. If people would really take staying seriously we’d have a chance against this but THIS IS MURICA AND ITS MY RIGHT TO SPREAD INFECTIOUS DISEASE DERPY DURRRR
 
HuskyHawk said:
There are no good choices. None. Shutting things down will cause irreparable short and long term damage to tens of millions of people's lives in the United States. Many of them the youngest. And most of the elderly will live. That's where we are. It truly sucks. This isn't half measures. This is extreme measures already.
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There is something about the math doesn't add up for me. Look at the NBA. 7 players? And 4 are not showing any symptoms. The only reason we know they have it is because they tested everyone in the NBA. We all know how difficult it is to make it to the NBA. With 330,000,000 people in the US, the probability of being an NBA player in the US is ~ .00001% With 4K Coronavirus cases in the US, the probability of having the virus is ~ .0001%. So the probability of being both and NBA player AND have the virus? And there are 7??? The math does not add up. Hundreds of thousands of people probably have it now or have had it or have/had it and are showing no symptoms. If we take that into account, the % of severe case is much lower. There is no way to totally isolate it out. We need a solid plan of what we are doing for the next few weeks/month. I agree with what we are doing now but we cannot sustain it. We flatten the curve over the next few weeks and better prepare for the extreme cases. And then we start encouraging people to get back to normal. If we try to wait it out until this all goes away, it will be well into the summer and there will still people contracting it. The damage of closing down the country probably will outweigh the damage of the virus. This is all, of course assuming we do not find a treatment/vaccine.
 
Marbles90 said:
There is something about the math doesn't add up for me. Look at the NBA. 7 players? And 4 are not showing any symptoms. The only reason we know they have it is because they tested everyone in the NBA. We all know how difficult it is to make it to the NBA. With 330,000,000 people in the US, the probability of being an NBA player in the US is ~ .00001% With 4K Coronavirus cases in the US, the probability of having the virus is ~ .0001%. So the probability of being both and NBA player AND have the virus? And there are 7??? The math does not add up. Hundreds of thousands of people probably have it now or have had it or have/had it and are showing no symptoms. If we take that into account that into account, the % of severe case is much lower. There is no way to totally isolate it out. We need a solid plan of what we are doing for the next few weeks/month. I agree with what we are doing now but we cannot sustain it. We flatten the curve over the next few weeks and better prepare for the extreme cases. And then we start encouraging people to get back to normal. If we try to wait it out until this all goes away, it will be well into the summer and there will still people contracting it. The damage of closing down the country probably will outweigh the damage of the virus. This is all, of course assuming we do not find a treatment/vaccine.
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People don't contract the virus by random chance... It's not strange once you have one NBA player with the virus that you would have a bunch.

Never mind the fact that NBA players travel more than the average American, by a great deal.

This video shows how confirmed cases lag behind actual cases, as well.

 
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Chin Diesel said:
This one is affecting older people and people with existing conditions way harder than healthy youth. Just don't go back home to granny or gramps and tell them about it. Send 'em a text or video message.
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My 88 year old father lives alone in his house. I'm itching to do a wellness check (lay eyes on him), even though I'm speaking to him daily. I want to do a fridge check (and store run if necessary) and my wife to cook a lot of meals and freeze. Perhaps do a thorough cleaning (he gets no visitors) of his 9 room house, just for comfort. Come up late afternoon, leave the next morning, after an early morning grocery run.

My wife and I are staying indoors with no exposure other than our mail delivery. I am positive we wouldn't be bringing anything to his house. Its just his age, and the uncertainty if we would be putting him at risk. He's all alone outside of neighbors who do look out for him to a certain extent, but I'm sure not lately.

Not sure if that's wise, advisable or even worth it. Or should we treat him like a one man nursing home.

Being the closest family member 90 miles away, this sucks.
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Vaccines take at least a year... better chance is that they discover a medicine or cocktail of medicines that reduce symptoms and shorten incubation. I have modest hope that’s coming within a few weeks.

The only real hope we have right now is people staying home. South Korea got hit on a similar timeline as us and is already looking up while we haven’t come close to seeing the worst because they took social isolation seriously. If people would really take staying seriously we’d have a chance against this but THIS IS MURICA AND ITS MY RIGHT TO SPREAD INFECTIOUS DISEASE DERPY DURRRR
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Actually, South Korea never took the steps we are taking now. They still haven't. They did not implement what the Imperial College Study calls "suppression" and instead employed something more like "mitigation" plus more strict quarantines of positive tested people and high risk people. It's a smart approach and has reduced the economic impact. We've closed schools despite the fact that those kids aren't really at risk. Certainly they might spread it to more at risk people, but what the Koreans did was isolate those people.
 
Just to lighten this up a little, here's a change in behavior - bread was sold out so I bought a box of Red Lobster Cheddar Biscuit mix. I just made a batch. I don't know what all the fuss is out. Definitely not as satisfying as a crusty loaf of fresh French bread.

Guess I'm going to have to revisit my bread-making skills if there's still flour to be had at the grocer's.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Massachusetts is pretty much shut down. Has been since late last week. 20,000 unemployment claims here.

There are no good choices. None. Shutting things down will cause irreparable short and long term damage to tens of millions of people's lives in the United States. Many of them the youngest. And most of the elderly will live. That's where we are. It truly sucks. This isn't half measures. This is extreme measures already.

The only outcome we can hope for is a vaccine within the next 2-3 weeks. Beyond that we are in uncharted waters. The city of Philadelphia just said it's not arresting people anymore for burglary, theft, etc. If you don't think that's a recipe for wide scale public violence I don't know what is.
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Vaccine within the next 2-3 weeks, what?!??
 
storrsroars said:
Guess I'm going to have to revisit my bread-making skills if there's still flour to be had at the grocer's.
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This is the time for new hobbies, revisiting old hobbies, on-line chess/checkers/backgammon, and fishing right around the corner. My wife and I will be packing picnic baskets and sitting on benches and eating our lunch at the water or some park where we won't get caught.

As for me I am thinking about a quick run to Hobby Lobby and getting one of the model sets to put together (I have no artistic abilities) and maybe even a nice big puzzle.

Cooking is another skill to learn but my wife is home, and she doesn't want food wasted.

My 30+ daughter has made 5 digits on the market this week on puts, which she just took up this month. We can all learn the market and make some money or be prepared to invest soon since their are so many bargains out there.

I guess I'm saying its a great time to learn and do new things, or even attack the honey-to lists (yes plural) because we have no distractions and too much time.
 
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Chin Diesel said:
We live in a weird society where a majority of the people got the opinion that health related epidemics/pandemics are expected to uniformly affect all age groups, genders, races, economic status, previous health conditions, geographic location......…….....equally. The history of major health crisis says otherwise.

This one is affecting older people and people with existing conditions way harder than healthy youth. I'd put more emphasis on isolating and helping those who are at high risk rather than blanket policies. Good for the kids. Go out, have fun. Be social. Just don't go back home to granny or gramps and tell them about it. Send 'em a text or video message.
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There is only one positive from your recommendation. The conference of immunity to this virus in the future population. We're not even sure of that at this point in time.

The most serious negative is those kids just extended the timeline needed for this pandemic to pass by a minimum of two weeks.

Even if we can manage to isolate the most vulnerable (those individuals who will die) the number of people getting severe reactions with a low likelihood of death will be signifiant. 15 to 20% of everyone is a large number of workers who will sub perform or need to not work. That group will still overwhelm our health care systems if not put a severe crimp on societal functioning. It appears that people at risk for death starts with 50 progressing significantly as people are over 80. We've reached the point where the majority of people are not taking chances. So even if the statistics a year or two from now indicate the fear factor was overblown that won't help the emotional state we are in and the economic situation we are currently facing as a result of this crisis.

Immediately (with news from China optimally but certainly when S. Korea, Japan and Italy showed signs) starting testing to isolate the infected and those communities that had reached a certain threshold similar to what was done in S. Korea was the best means of minimizing medical and financial risk. That failure exposed our health and wallets to the worst possible outcome. The kids need to understand this and do their part. After all they are the ones who will need to find jobs in the near future and that is less likely the deeper the recession. The over 80 are not individuals currently working.
 
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What's going to happen when the # of deaths actually explode in the US? The economy has already collapsed.
 
Marbles90 said:
There is something about the math doesn't add up for me. Look at the NBA. 7 players? And 4 are not showing any symptoms. The only reason we know they have it is because they tested everyone in the NBA. We all know how difficult it is to make it to the NBA. With 330,000,000 people in the US, the probability of being an NBA player in the US is ~ .00001% With 4K Coronavirus cases in the US, the probability of having the virus is ~ .0001%. So the probability of being both and NBA player AND have the virus? And there are 7??? The math does not add up. Hundreds of thousands of people probably have it now or have had it or have/had it and are showing no symptoms. If we take that into account, the % of severe case is much lower. There is no way to totally isolate it out. We need a solid plan of what we are doing for the next few weeks/month. I agree with what we are doing now but we cannot sustain it. We flatten the curve over the next few weeks and better prepare for the extreme cases. And then we start encouraging people to get back to normal. If we try to wait it out until this all goes away, it will be well into the summer and there will still people contracting it. The damage of closing down the country probably will outweigh the damage of the virus. This is all, of course assuming we do not find a treatment/vaccine.
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Dr. Matthew Cartter, the Connecticut state epidemiologist, said Tuesday that for every positive test, there are likely many more infected residents.

"There’s at least 100 people out there who have COVID-19 for every single positive, which puts us around 6,000 or so,” Cartter said. "And that might be a low estimate.”
 
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