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Plebe said:
I never said her claim was implausible. But if she's making a claim, she bears the burden of proof, not me.

Just because no one formally asked "why Notre Dame" or formally asked for interviews Notre Dame folks doesn't prove anything about whether the destination school was a factor in the process. Unless she can **prove** that the people considering her request were unaware of which school she had transferred to, she hasn't proven anything. Only stated her belief. Her belief may be a plausible one, but it hasn't been proven.
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Unless you have some concrete evidence to think Notre Dame mattered (and I haven't heard any), deciding to think much less of Shepard (your original conclusion) simply for asserting what she found was relevant and not relevant to her waiver application process - in her first-hand experience - seems unreasonable to me. I can't disprove that Beyonce didn't call the NCAA and ask for them to grant Shepard's waiver, but unless someone furnishes evidence that Beyonce did, the need for Shepard to offer evidence to disprove that Beyonce's involvement seems totally bizarre to me. How can she disprove the existence of any and all manner of black swans?

ETA: A moderator seems to have edited out my non-partisan reference to a politician in a geographically-relevant hypothetical, but the omission completely obliterated the point I was trying to make, so hopefully this time it can stay...?
 
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CocoHusky said:
No I don't think she would start at the wing over senior Megan Walker nor 6'3" freshman Aaliyah Edwards.
Evina through HS, AAU and at TN was a combo guard. Playing on the wing would required her to switch position and she would have to improve her perimeter defense drastically.
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Good comment. Except Gabby Williams was a guard in hs and played under the basket at UConn. I trust that Geno will figure out how to best use her skills.
 
VA Huskie said:
Good comment. Except Gabby Williams was a guard in hs and played under the basket at UConn. I trust that Geno will figure out how to best use her skills.
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However Geno has said pretty clearly that he doesn't really have a grasp of what her skills are because of her injury. He's also said he hadn't been treating her completely as if she was part of this years squad because of the waiver situation.
 
I think they should just play her. Every game. When they take away all their wins, UConn will be the first 0-29 team to get an at large bid:p
 
Does this mean Evina has to hide out in the locker room during tomorrow's exhibition? Or can she at least sit on the side with her team?
 
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hoopsfan22 said:
Does this mean Evina has to hide out in the locker room during tomorrow's exhibition? Or can she at least sit on the side with her team?
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She’ll be on the bench in street clothes. Same thing for all the home games, but she won’t be able to travel with the team to away games until she’s deemed eligible to play.
 
BobbyJ said:
Good luck. I hope you're not a lawyer.
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No, that’s why I ran it by a Harvard Contracts attorney who said if you took it to a judge he or she would view a scholarship offer a contract and all you would need is standing and UConn would have standing.
 
TheFarmFan said:
I can't disprove that Beyonce didn't call the NCAA and ask for them to grant Shepard's waiver, but unless someone furnishes evidence that Beyonce did, the need for Shepard to offer evidence to disprove that Beyonce's involvement seems totally bizarre to me. How can she disprove the existence of any and all manner of black swans?

ETA: A moderator seems to have edited out my non-partisan reference to a politician in a geographically-relevant hypothetical, but the omission completely obliterated the point I was trying to make, so hopefully this time it can stay...?
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OK that’s it! Does JZ owe anyone here a solid? If so we just ask Beyoncé to call the NCAA on Westbrook’s behalf, and we’re in!
 
Argonaut said:
She’ll be on the bench in street clothes. Same thing for all the home games, but she won’t be able to travel with the team to away games until she’s deemed eligible to play.
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Or pays her own way
 
CocoHusky said:
You are simultaneous lashing out at something Jessica said and ND because of a perceived benefit that the NCAA gave to ND. All of that is misdirected. Your target needs to be the NCAA.
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Hey hey now - as a Boneyard member Plebe has the right to lash out at ND and/or any of their present or former players for any reason whatever, at his sole discretion.
 
j66kicker said:
Hey hey now - as a Boneyard member Plebe has the right to lash out at ND and/or any of their present or former players for any reason whatever, at his sole discretion.
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You are right!
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DEFCONN1 said:
Is anyone aware if Azura Stevens case was appealed ?
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Evina’s waiver request was UConn’s first. I read that they hadn’t requested one before as they didn’t feel that Stevens and Camara’s reasons for transfer warranted one.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Incidentally, I looked for the transfer waiver form and couldn't find it on a quick google, but I did find the description of the process, and the key question is whether the transfer was necessitated by "documented mitigating circumstances outside the student-athlete's control."

I would not be shocked if in EW's situation, given that she and her family members were dousing kerosine on the fan fire at times, and that EW essentially called for Holly to be fired days before she was, that any argument that she had to transfer because of fan hostility or the coaching change would not be considered "mitigating circumstances outside the student-athlete's control."

Now, whether or not that's a good reason is totally worth questioning. But I based on the brief description of the criteria I don't think EW has an open-and-shut case based on what I have heard about her reasons for transferring.
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Just going to ignore that she played (just bad doctors? or bad coaches too?) with an injury that needed surgery when she got to UConn?
 
uconnfan68 said:
Just going to ignore that she played (just bad doctors? or bad coaches too?) with an injury that needed surgery when she got to UConn?
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Not ignoring it, but noting that one reason folks here are saying she should get a waiver doesn't really seem to meet the specified criteria. Without know more about why she played with an injury (which, to be honest, I didn't notice based on her on court performance last season), it's also hard to know if that claim would meet the criteria either. There's a lot of speculation around here and almost no real facts. For example, CD also had surgery this off-season to deal with a nagging injury. Is that the result of Geno ignoring it and forcing her to play? Why do we think the circumstances are different? Just because we like Geno and hate the Vols?
 
Dokey said:
The waiver situation with Evina boils down to simple contract law.Rather than appealing the NCAA decision, I would go to the courts seeking a reversal based on violation of contract. It is established knowledge that players pick schools based on a coach’s recruiting. When the coach involved in that recruiting is fired, it relieves the player from said contract, even if such is not stated in scholarship offer. A legal ruling to that effect would immediately simplify the waiver process.
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evina was in the transfer portal before holly was fired, so that is a moot point

there are several very compelling reasons why evinas waiver should have been granted. for one, she was in a toxic environment for which she had no control over. during her two years at tennessee, two players were kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons. holly had lost control of the team and either refused to do anything about it or couldnt do anything about it. not only that but diamond deshields had enough and didnt return her senior year and alexa middleton transferred out. im sure evina didnt expect all this mess when she committed to tennessee nor should she have had to put up with it. also, there were fans who just constantly harrassed her and her mother on facebook. its a shame the ncaa didnt grant her waiver. hopefully she can get this appeal to go thru
 
Boxerpups4me said:
evina was in the transfer portal before holly was fired, so that is a moot point

there are several very compelling reasons why evinas waiver should have been granted. for one, she was in a toxic environment for which she had no control over. during her two years at tennessee, two players were kicked off the team for disciplinary reasons. holly had lost control of the team and either refused to do anything about it or couldnt do anything about it. not only that but diamond deshields had enough and didnt return her senior year and alexa middleton transferred out. im sure evina didnt expect all this mess when she committed to tennessee nor should she have had to put up with it. also, there were fans who just constantly harrassed her and her mother on facebook. its a shame the ncaa didnt grant her waiver. hopefully she can get this appeal to go thru
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1). How much weight does Volnation and FB have when it comes to “harassment”? It’s social media. Block them. 2) If she was in such a toxic situation why didn’t she transfer after her first year at UT? 3). Middleton wanted more playing time, which wasn’t going to happen due to her defense. 4). Many UT fans want what’s best for EW. What makes this all so messy is the politics behind it, especially when “people” throw accusations out that have no factual proof behind them.
 
TheFarmFan said:
Not ignoring it, but noting that one reason folks here are saying she should get a waiver doesn't really seem to meet the specified criteria. Without know more about why she played with an injury (which, to be honest, I didn't notice based on her on court performance last season), it's also hard to know if that claim would meet the criteria either. There's a lot of speculation around here and almost no real facts. For example, CD also had surgery this off-season to deal with a nagging injury. Is that the result of Geno ignoring it and forcing her to play? Why do we think the circumstances are different? Just because we like Geno and hate the Vols?
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TheFarmFan said:
Not ignoring it, but noting that one reason folks here are saying she should get a waiver doesn't really seem to meet the specified criteria. Without know more about why she played with an injury (which, to be honest, I didn't notice based on her on court performance last season), it's also hard to know if that claim would meet the criteria either. There's a lot of speculation around here and almost no real facts. For example, CD also had surgery this off-season to deal with a nagging injury. Is that the result of Geno ignoring it and forcing her to play? Why do we think the circumstances are different? Just because we like Geno and hate the Vols?
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As I understand it, Crystal’s surgery was to correct a problem with the nature of her hip which was something she was born with. She had the exact same surgery with her other hip a year or 2 back. Crystal has been playing with some discomfort all of her life. As far as I know, Evina’s injury occurred at TN, so the two situations are not particularly similar.
 
We've heard about cases in which support (as opposed to no objection) by the original school has helped gain approval of a waiver petition. That was the case with Shepard's petition and has been true in both men's and women's basketball.

 
UConnCat said:
We've heard about cases in which support (as opposed to no objection) by the original school has helped gain approval of a waiver petition. That was the case with Shepard's petition and has been true in both men's and women's basketball.

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On this point, listen to Geno starting at 10:00 mark. He talks about Tenn's neutral position (don't oppose, don't support) versus UConn's position which has been to always support a player's petition to play immediately. He notes the irony of Tenn recently complaining about not getting a waiver for a transfer on its men's team.

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I'd say the odds of the NCAA changing their stance on Westbrook is about 100/1 and that's thinking positively...........................come on NCAA prove me wrong!!!!!
 
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