Welp, ACC stays together with a new agreement (LINK)

[Blades]

We aren’t Rutgers. We have a much better fan base. Not sure if you were around during our Big East football days, but it was fantastic. I’m in Florida and I am in a family of Florida and FSU fans. I’ve been to a lot of games. UConn would show out just fine in a P2. Our fans simply want to play football at a championship level. That’s what happens when you pile up natties in other sports. If we play big time football, we will have a big time fan experience. The Duke game showed you everything you need to know. Send a competitive team out to play a decent brand name competitor and the stadium is near full and the crowd is great. Give us a steady diet of that and we’ll be sold out all the time.

YEP......Facts.......
Games/Avg Per Game /Capacity % 40,000 seat stadium /record
2003- 6/ 37059 92.6% (First year at Rentschler Field- Independent 9-3 )
2004- 7/ 39304 98.3% (8-4, joins BE early w/ loss of Va Tech, Miami & BC to ACC )
2005- 6/ 40000 100% (5-6)
2006- 7/ 38939 97.3% (4-8)
2007- 7/ 38205 95.5% ( Co-Big East Champion 9-4 )
2008- 6/ 39331 98.3% (8-5)
2009- 6/ 38229 95.6% (8-5)
2010- 6/ 38248 95.6% ( Big East Champion 8-5)
First 8 year avg. = 38,664 ---97% capacity

(BE starts to crumble and below .500 but still ave close to 36K)
2011- 7/ 36668 91.7% 5-7 record
2012- 6/ 34672 86.6% (Last year of BE/5-7 record)

 

[WrenchFan69]

It's time for the ACC to add UConn. They need to do something for their 9 game football schedule and I don't believe there's a better or more serious option.

We beat their football champ straight up. Beat BC. Should have beaten Syracuse. Have more wins over ACC opponents in the last two years than Florida State. Then we made a great hire and continued to invest in the sport. All without real media revenue. Plus basketball, baseball, and soccer success. And the geographic footprint works.

ESPN allegedly already agreed to pay pro rata to add us to their portion of the B12 deal and they should be drooling at the opportunity to get our men's and women's basketball teams back on their networks full time.

 

[JVN]

Didn't the ACC recently give FSU and Clemson de facto veto power to keep them from bolting? What makes us think they are suddenly going to welcome us to the league as long as they remain members?

 

[UConnTrumbull]

Didn't the ACC recently give FSU and Clemson de facto veto power to keep them from bolting? What makes us think they are suddenly going to welcome us to the league as long as they remain members?

UConn is not being added until/unless those two leave. Or any combination of UNC/UVa/Miami

 

[CTBballfan243]

Also, if UConn does get added they will want us to take the same deal as SMU. Precedence has been set.

 

[uconnyankee]

Also, if UConn does get added they will want us to take the same deal as SMU. Precedence has been set.

Would be interesting if that was proposed. I don’t think UConn takes a backwards step financially

 

[SU1968]

Would be interesting if that was proposed. I don’t think UConn takes a backwards step financially

Does the $$ UConn get from nBE equal or less than an ACC basketball share? If so, that might make a SMU deal more viable.

 

[ZooCougar]

It's time for the ACC to add UConn. They need to do something for their 9 game football schedule and I don't believe there's a better or more serious option.

We beat their football champ straight up. Beat BC. Should have beaten Syracuse. Have more wins over ACC opponents in the last two years than Florida State. Then we made a great hire and continued to invest in the sport. All without real media revenue. Plus basketball, baseball, and soccer success. And the geographic footprint works.

ESPN allegedly already agreed to pay pro rata to add us to their portion of the B12 deal and they should be drooling at the opportunity to get our men's and women's basketball teams back on their networks full time.

JMU says hello.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

If they offered us full share for all sports except football (which i imagine has to be more than our BE revenue) and a reasonable (maybe 20% of a full share) football payout, gradually increasing to a full share over a certain number of years or further realignment, whichever comes first, we should jump at it.

 

[How Sway?!]

JMU says hello.

They don't have a big enough brand / alumni base.

 

[buddy]

It's time for the ACC to add UConn. They need to do something for their 9 game football schedule and I don't believe there's a better or more serious option.

We beat their football champ straight up. Beat BC. Should have beaten Syracuse. Have more wins over ACC opponents in the last two years than Florida State. Then we made a great hire and continued to invest in the sport. All without real media revenue. Plus basketball, baseball, and soccer success. And the geographic footprint works.

ESPN allegedly already agreed to pay pro rata to add us to their portion of the B12 deal and they should be drooling at the opportunity to get our men's and women's basketball teams back on their networks full time.

Bingo! ESPN controls everything. They have been antiUConn from the start of CR. They have not changed their tune, and Ct politicians put no pressure on them.

 

[ScottVib]

Bingo! ESPN controls everything. They have been antiUConn from the start of CR. They have not changed their tune, and Ct politicians put no pressure on them.

If you believe the various articles that came out in the 2011 expansion, UConn was the preferred partner of ESPN with Syracuse. When BC didn't want UConn they asked ESPN if there was anyone else that could generate the same payout. Pitt generated the same payout and UConn was pushed aside (Pitt then helped to vote down the Big East's TV deal with ESPN that was in discussion at the same time).

 

[upstater]

If you believe the various articles that came out in the 2011 expansion, UConn was the preferred partner of ESPN with Syracuse. When BC didn't want UConn they asked ESPN if there was anyone else that could generate the same payout. Pitt generated the same payout and UConn was pushed aside (Pitt then helped to vote down the Big East's TV deal with ESPN that was in discussion at the same time).

Pitt also headed the lawsuit against the ACC that Blumenthal was involved with. Oddly, the story goes that the ACC has a vendetta against UConn for the lawsuit. But they let Pitt in?

 

[buddy]

If you believe the various articles that came out in the 2011 expansion, UConn was the preferred partner of ESPN with Syracuse. When BC didn't want UConn they asked ESPN if there was anyone else that could generate the same payout. Pitt generated the same payout and UConn was pushed aside (Pitt then helped to vote down the Big East's TV deal with ESPN that was in discussion at the same time).

ESPN could have insisted that they take UConn. They did not. ESPN is not a friend.

 

[buddy]

Pitt also headed the lawsuit against the ACC that Blumenthal was involved with. Oddly, the story goes that the ACC has a vendetta against UConn for the lawsuit. But they let Pitt in?

I happened to watch Pitt get beat by Hofstra today. Their gym looked like Conte forum. Empty.

 

[ScottVib]

ESPN could have insisted that they take UConn. They did not. ESPN is not a friend.

They're not supposed to be a friend, they're a business. If the dollars make sense they'd support pushing Louisiana-Monroe to the SEC, but they're not going to act contrary to its financial interest. In 2011 they felt that if the ACC expanded to build inventory made sense in a TV negotiation where the ACC was seeking to increase its own revenues. Syracuse was their first option (thinking it delivered the NY market); ESPN suggested UConn as a partner, the ACC asked if there were alternatives and ESPN responded... the business to them was to get the deal done with as much value as possible, not to prop up the state university where they were headquartered, and if the potential partner was balking and you could get (nearly) the same value from a substitution, you make the substitution.

Would it be nice if UConn got some ancillary benefits from ESPN's facilities being located in Bristol... for us as fans, it sure would. ESPN got tax breaks, but that was about the state getting them to increase employment levels and as a result the number of state income tax-payers to pay back those benefits, not something with a quid pro quo attached.

Pitt also headed the lawsuit against the ACC that Blumenthal was involved with. Oddly, the story goes that the ACC has a vendetta against UConn for the lawsuit. But they let Pitt in?

Blumenthal was the person who filed the lawsuit in Connecticut court (with Pitt, WVU, Rutgers & UConn as plaintiffs), then ran in front of every TV camera and microphone he could find. The then sued them again, once BC was added separately from Miami/Virginia Tech (and of course named the school and conference officials individually in the lawsuit). As a result, UConn became the poster-child for the lawsuit.

 

[superjohn]

They're not supposed to be a friend, they're a business. If the dollars make sense they'd support pushing Louisiana-Monroe to the SEC, but they're not going to act contrary to its financial interest. In 2011 they felt that if the ACC expanded to build inventory made sense in a TV negotiation where the ACC was seeking to increase its own revenues. Syracuse was their first option (thinking it delivered the NY market); ESPN suggested UConn as a partner, the ACC asked if there were alternatives and ESPN responded... the business to them was to get the deal done with as much value as possible, not to prop up the state university where they were headquartered, and if the potential partner was balking and you could get (nearly) the same value from a substitution, you make the substitution.

Would it be nice if UConn got some ancillary benefits from ESPN's facilities being located in Bristol... for us as fans, it sure would. ESPN got tax breaks, but that was about the state getting them to increase employment levels and as a result the number of state income tax-payers to pay back those benefits, not something with a quid pro quo attached.


Blumenthal was the person who filed the lawsuit in Connecticut court (with Pitt, WVU, Rutgers & UConn as plaintiffs), then ran in front of every TV camera and microphone he could find. The then sued them again, once BC was added separately from Miami/Virginia Tech (and of course named the school and conference officials individually in the lawsuit). As a result, UConn became the poster-child for the lawsuit.

ESPN is a disaster as are BC, Pitt, Syracuse.

 

[NE Football]

The ACC is not adding any team unless ESPN puts up huge money. It’s ND or Big 12 teams or a merger with the B12. A merger between the ACC and the B12 would give them clout versus the B1G and the SEC. They could form divisions based on geographic proximity. The combined conference would own a lot of content to get a better TV deal.

Our Avenue to the CFP is through a G5 conference. That’s a plausible path to the CFP for us given the competition. Look at Tulane and JMU.

 

[ScottVib]

The ACC is not adding any team unless ESPN puts up huge money. It’s ND or Big 12 teams or a merger with the B12. A merger between the ACC and the B12 would give them clout versus the B1G and the SEC. They could form divisions based on geographic proximity. The combined conference would own a lot of content to get a better TV deal.

Our Avenue to the CFP is through a G5 conference. That’s a plausible path to the CFP for us given the competition. Look at Tulane and JMU.

That'll be closed down to a max of one team from a G5 after this season. If this were next year... Duke would've taken out JMU and Notre Dame would've taken out Miami. (ACC champ is guaranteed, as is Notre Dame if they are in the top-12)

 

[NE Football]

The playoff will be expanded to at least 16 teams and maybe 24 teams. Even with only 1 G5, that’s easier than going through a P2 or P4 conference

 

[UConnTrumbull]

 

[upstater]

Blumenthal was the person who filed the lawsuit in Connecticut court (with Pitt, WVU, Rutgers & UConn as plaintiffs), then ran in front of every TV camera and microphone he could find. The then sued them again, once BC was added separately from Miami/Virginia Tech (and of course named the school and conference officials individually in the lawsuit). As a result, UConn became the poster-child for the lawsuit.

I still don't buy it. Pitt's Nordenburg was vilifying BC and the ACC in the media. He was calling them outright liars. Some schools that ended up in the ACC did even worse, personally accosting the BC President at academic events.

 

[upstater]

The ACC is not adding any team unless ESPN puts up huge money. It’s ND or Big 12 teams or a merger with the B12. A merger between the ACC and the B12 would give them clout versus the B1G and the SEC. They could form divisions based on geographic proximity. The combined conference would own a lot of content to get a better TV deal.

Our Avenue to the CFP is through a G5 conference. That’s a plausible path to the CFP for us given the competition. Look at Tulane and JMU.

They want the NCAA money. They are going to break from the NCAA.

This means that they will have to create a new structure.

One could argue the expansion of conferences has been a deliberate attempt to weaken the concept of conferences in the first place.

Once they take the bball tourney away from the NCAA they will reorganize the entire thing.

 

[ScottVib]

I still don't buy it. Pitt's Nordenburg was vilifying BC and the ACC in the media. He was calling them outright liars. Some schools that ended up in the ACC did even worse, personally accosting the BC President at academic events.

Keep in mind BC's fear of sharing a market magnified their concerns the fear + prior bad acts (even if the fear is the actual motivation and the lawsuit the justification). They had been passed by UConn basketball with relative ease, if football was on equal footing they feared that next (UConn actually won more Big East titles (two) than BC, which won one, as one of four co-champions in 2004; despite BCs much longer tenure in the conference, let alone its longer tenure as a major college program). Even without that advantage UConn continues to out-draw BC in Boston for basketball and the Fenway Bowl.

 

[Kolumbo]

even bcu fans are starting to see the writing on the wall

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