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Welp, ACC stays together with a new agreement (LINK)

One of the comments is "UConn does not have the financial resources" - as if we haven't been doing more with less and ignoring that entering a power conference would finally give us financial resources? Not a serious bunch over there
no, not the sharpest tools. but some do acknowledge the advantages that UConn does have

"It's a bit ridiculous to confidently assert that UConn couldn't compete in the ACC due to a lack of resources. (i) If they joined the ACC, they'd have more revenue and media access to invest in their programs, (ii) Other schools have joined "power" conferences from "lesser" ones and done fine, (iii) Even if UConn never had a winning season in football, they make up for it in other sports (Mens/Womens Basketball, namely). That would provide more value to the conference than plenty of other schools do currently."
 
One of the comments is "UConn does not have the financial resources" -
One other thing regarding resources. IIRC, AD Dave tweeted out a few months back that, Uconn, had a record setting total of around $51 million in donation for athletics, alone, in the last fiscal year.
 
One of the comments is "UConn does not have the financial resources" - as if we haven't been doing more with less and ignoring that entering a power conference would finally give us financial resources? Not a serious bunch over there
Sadly this is such a common take about us.There's a Clemson fan on the ACC subreddit I often interact with because the only thing I ever see him comment about is UConn, and how they don't belong in the ACC. His main argument is that UConn Athletics runs a deficit, citing the state subsidies, and that we don't generate the money needed to create value for the ACC

...he seems to be forgetting the obvious facts that 1). If UConn were in the ACC, we wouldn't need to rely on such heavy subsidies, because obviously our media payout would be supplanting it (also Memphis and USF, other top candidates are also heavily subsidized but nobody ever critiques them like us), and 2). We use the subsidy to maintain a P4-level AD. Take any school out of the ACC and make them independent; they would also be running a deficit and require subsidies to be competitive

The argument that UConn shouldn't join the P4 because they don't bring enough money/resources is kind of like shoving your grandma down the stairs and then complaining about how she's crippled. Completely moronic
 
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They're not supposed to be a friend, they're a business. If the dollars make sense they'd support pushing Louisiana-Monroe to the SEC, but they're not going to act contrary to its financial interest. In 2011 they felt that if the ACC expanded to build inventory made sense in a TV negotiation where the ACC was seeking to increase its own revenues. Syracuse was their first option (thinking it delivered the NY market); ESPN suggested UConn as a partner, the ACC asked if there were alternatives and ESPN responded... the business to them was to get the deal done with as much value as possible, not to prop up the state university where they were headquartered, and if the potential partner was balking and you could get (nearly) the same value from a substitution, you make the substitution.

Would it be nice if UConn got some ancillary benefits from ESPN's facilities being located in Bristol... for us as fans, it sure would. ESPN got tax breaks, but that was about the state getting them to increase employment levels and as a result the number of state income tax-payers to pay back those benefits, not something with a quid pro quo attached.


Blumenthal was the person who filed the lawsuit in Connecticut court (with Pitt, WVU, Rutgers & UConn as plaintiffs), then ran in front of every TV camera and microphone he could find. The then sued them again, once BC was added separately from Miami/Virginia Tech (and of course named the school and conference officials individually in the lawsuit). As a result, UConn became the poster-child for the lawsuit.
The second paragraph is somewhat confusing. What ancillary benefits could they give? They have gone out of their way to screw UConn for the last decade plus. ESPN could have easily funded UConn to the ACC and told the Conference that it is UConn or no deal. They did not do that and won't do it seems.
 
It's time for the ACC to add UConn. They need to do something for their 9 game football schedule and I don't believe there's a better or more serious option.

We beat their football champ straight up. Beat BC. Should have beaten Syracuse. Have more wins over ACC opponents in the last two years than Florida State. Then we made a great hire and continued to invest in the sport. All without real media revenue. Plus basketball, baseball, and soccer success. And the geographic footprint works.

ESPN allegedly already agreed to pay pro rata to add us to their portion of the B12 deal and they should be drooling at the opportunity to get our men's and women's basketball teams back on their networks full time.
I don't fault your logic, but given that Clemson and FSU have veto power over admissionsand that neither one of us have been in favor of us as a admission target in the past, in all likelihood nothing's happening until there are at least some defections from the ACC. Hopefully those two ass hats.
 
If they offered us full share for all sports except football (which i imagine has to be more than our BE revenue) and a reasonable (maybe 20% of a full share) football payout, gradually increasing to a full share over a certain number of years or further realignment, whichever comes first, we should jump at it.
Agree if the invite was today. If the invite was after a significant loss of existing membership, we might have more leverage.
 
If you believe the various articles that came out in the 2011 expansion, UConn was the preferred partner of ESPN with Syracuse. When BC didn't want UConn they asked ESPN if there was anyone else that could generate the same payout. Pitt generated the same payout and UConn was pushed aside (Pitt then helped to vote down the Big East's TV deal with ESPN that was in discussion at the same time).
When you say Pitt generated the same payout, I think what you're saying is ESPN agreed to pay a full share for Connecticut or Pittsburgh. Given that the ACC could continue to expand and damage its main rival, which always was the point of expansion, and not dilute its payout, it was easy for the other schools to acquiesce to Boston College's request that UConn not be given an invite.

But here's the thing. If ESPN had said no, we want Connecticut, then we would would have been in the ACC two decades ago. That's hundreds of millions of lost revenue for the school and the state. With the benefit of hindsight, the states should have reached out to ESPN after the initial ACC raid on the big east and indicated that it would appreciate if ESPN would give the university to consideration for any future expansion. That didn't happen and we are where we are.
 
no, not the sharpest tools. but some do acknowledge the advantages that UConn does have

"It's a bit ridiculous to confidently assert that UConn couldn't compete in the ACC due to a lack of resources. (i) If they joined the ACC, they'd have more revenue and media access to invest in their programs, (ii) Other schools have joined "power" conferences from "lesser" ones and done fine, (iii) Even if UConn never had a winning season in football, they make up for it in other sports (Mens/Womens Basketball, namely). That would provide more value to the conference than plenty of other schools do currently."
It also doesn't take into account that, even without a P4 media distribution, Connecticut spends competitively with P4 colleges. It also doesn't take into account that unlike some schools that have made the jump up, Connecticut doesn't need to dramatically upgrade facilities. Think about Rutgers. They had the leverage future payments in order to be even vaguely competitive. The RAC still isn't at the level of a big time university. That's not our situation.

For as much as people complain about Gampel, it is a great on campus venue. People complain about are not having a football stadium on campus, but Renschler field is a terrific venue. There's not a bad seat in the house in the tailgating is excellent. Werth, Shenkman, and Burton are all first class facilities. Likewise, baseball, hockey, soccer, and even softball and volleyball all have terrific venues. We are well positioned to hit the ground running in the P4. All we need is the invite.
 
There's a Clemson fan on the ACC subreddit I often interact with because the only thing I ever see him comment about is UConn, and how they don't belong in the ACC. His main argument is that UConn Athletics runs a deficit, citing the state subsidies, and that we don't generate the money needed to create value for the ACC
For what it's worth, that deficit represents the state and universities commitment to athletics. It's a badge of honor, not a mark of shame. Even without P4 money, the university of Connecticut is committed to competing in athletics at the highest level and has done so successfully in pretty much every sport.

Fully agree with your point, though, that deficit goes away once we have a P4 membership.
 
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For what it's worth, that deficit represents the state and universities commitment to athletics. It's a badge of honor, not a mark of shame. Even without P4 money, the university of Connecticut is committed to competing in athletics at the highest level and has done so successfully in pretty much every sport.

Fully agree with your point, though, that deficit goes away once we have a P4 membership.
100%. For fans of a conference that love to talk about how well regarded they are academically, they sure are stupid
 
It also doesn't take into account that, even without a P4 media distribution, Connecticut spends competitively with P4 colleges. It also doesn't take into account that unlike some schools that have made the jump up, Connecticut doesn't need to dramatically upgrade facilities. Think about Rutgers. They had the leverage future payments in order to be even vaguely competitive. The RAC still isn't at the level of a big time university. That's not our situation.

For as much as people complain about Gampel, it is a great on campus venue. People complain about are not having a football stadium on campus, but Renschler field is a terrific venue. There's not a bad seat in the house in the tailgating is excellent. Werth, Shenkman, and Burton are all first class facilities. Likewise, baseball, hockey, soccer, and even softball and volleyball all have terrific venues. We are well positioned to hit the ground running in the P4. All we need is the invite.
If they looked at the big picture, and maybe they will start to, Clemson and FSU should be happy to have UConn. It SHOULD be another win on their football schedules, at least in the short term. And those wins would look much better than beating bcu. They also get the benefit of playing our Olympic sports and recruiting in the Northeast much closer to NYC than su and cuse.
 
If they looked at the big picture, and maybe they will start to, Clemson and FSU should be happy to have UConn. It SHOULD be another win on their football schedules, at least in the short term. And those wins would look much better than beating bcu. They also get the benefit of playing our Olympic sports and recruiting in the Northeast much closer to NYC than su and cuse.
Maybe, but that's not the way they've seen it, at least to date.
 
"Permanent Damage."

If Inigo Montoya doesn't show up soon to have a word with Bevacqua, I'm going to assume Notre Dame is leaving the ACC.
 
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If they looked at the big picture, and maybe they will start to, Clemson and FSU should be happy to have UConn. It SHOULD be another win on their football schedules, at least in the short term. And those wins would look much better than beating bcu. They also get the benefit of playing our Olympic sports and recruiting in the Northeast much closer to NYC than su and cuse.
Aren’t su and Cuse the same school?
 
Thats a shameACC 0-for-

Syracuse losers to Hofstra
Florida State losers to get this, umess
Pitt losers to Nova
bcu, losers, even though they didn’t play anyone, just losers
Jerry Seinfeld Popcorn GIF by Sheets & Giggles
 
Notre Dame is embarrassing themselves. They have no place to go other than the Big East.
Oh come on zoo, don’t be so exclusionist. Notre Dame has plenty of options…
They can go cry themselves to sleep for being left out.
They can go flip themselves for being like locusts to the Big East and ACC.
They can go screw themselves by scorning the conference that gives them winnable games.
They can go hate themselves for failing to be relevant AGAIN in the CFP.
Or like we normal Catholics like to do,
They can go and repent themselves for their hubris…nevermind, we have a better chance at the Big10 than ND does at showing actual humility.
 
Whatever we think of ND, they can join Big or SEC anytime they want.
It’s not purely money for them.

They don’t want to take a hit financially, but they want the prestige of being Indy as the main priority. They will hold that and fight for that as long as they can.
And anytime they feel people are forgetting who they are, they pull out the ‘we are ND’ card.

But when the Indy path runs its course, ND will have a seat at the big boy table in any conference they choose.
 
Whatever we think of ND, they can join Big or SEC anytime they want.
It’s not purely money for them.

They don’t want to take a hit financially, but they want the prestige of being Indy as the main priority. They will hold that and fight for that as long as they can.
And anytime they feel people are forgetting who they are, they pull out the ‘we are ND’ card.

But when the Indy path runs its course, ND will have a seat at the big boy table in any conference they choose.
They CANNOT join the Big or SEC “any time they want.” Neither of them will accept ND as long as they want to be treated differently than other members.

They can get plenty of games with the individual members but if they want be accepted as members without financial benefit to the conferences, it ain’t happening.

Could they be accepted as associate members in all sports except football? Perhaps, but what is the benefit to those conferences. What do they add? Show me the money.
 
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Whatever we think of ND, they can join Big or SEC anytime they want.
It’s not purely money for them.

They don’t want to take a hit financially, but they want the prestige of being Indy as the main priority. They will hold that and fight for that as long as they can.
And anytime they feel people are forgetting who they are, they pull out the ‘we are ND’ card.

But when the Indy path runs its course, ND will have a seat at the big boy table in any conference they choose.

As full members.

They don't want to be full members. They want a sweetheart scheduling agreement and a home for the rest of the sports.
 

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