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Mike Tomlin had Big Ben his entire career and then had Pickett and Wilson for the past 3 years. Believe it or not Tomlin has been at the helm for 18 years and the team didn't sheet the bed once Ben left. Steelers aren't winning championships right now but they've always had a good system in place and didn't drop off like the patsies have. I'm not saying Tomlin is Belichick but Ben isn't Brady either.
True & so did Bill Cowher but that's the exception to the rule. The Steelers have been running the same system of player evaluation & development since the 90's. They also have the most patient ownership group in the NFL.
 
The reforms Belichick has emplaced at UNC will
last decades. No. Centuries.

Mark them down 12–0 for the next 50 years.
Wouldn't go that far but most major college programs have been studying how NFL teams manage their roster which includes salaries. Belichick has blurred the line between how college teams use countable coaches. He has scouting department personnel who actively recruit off campus, coaches who only coach etc, has full salary structure for each player & is using the bottom third of the 105 roster limit as a true development squad.
 
Wouldn't go that far but most major college programs have been studying how NFL teams manage their roster which includes salaries. Belichick has blurred the line between how college teams use countable coaches. He has scouting department personnel who actively recruit off campus, coaches who only coach etc, has full salary structure for each player & is using the bottom third of the 105 roster limit as a true development squad.

I read the 1000 page white paper too,
 
Wouldn't go that far but most major college programs have been studying how NFL teams manage their roster which includes salaries. Belichick has blurred the line between how college teams use countable coaches. He has scouting department personnel who actively recruit off campus, coaches who only coach etc, has full salary structure for each player & is using the bottom third of the 105 roster limit as a true development squad.
I’m sure BB will do a fine job of developing bottom third of his roster for the SEC and B1G
 
Clown the ACC all you want, this reward system is the antidote to P2 programs doing nothing to win and collecting checks (especially B10). The ACC is vulnerable because they have good programs and national brands. They don’t cater to their weakest members. Can you say the same B12?

I have to chuckle at FSUs performance bonus. Some Gen Z whizkid selling stocks did better last year.
 
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Clown the ACC all you want, this reward system is the antidote to P2 programs doing nothing to win and collecting checks (especially B10). The ACC is vulnerable because they have good programs and national brands. They don’t cater to their weakest members. Can you say the same B12?

I have to chuckle at FSUs performance bonus. Some Gen Z whizkid selling stocks did better last year.
It is long overdue for all of the conferences to do this.
 
Performance bonus is small potatoes....the projections had the top bonus under $ 8 million...and three of the top five were under $4 million.

The rolling 5 year viewership is where the money is...
 
Performance bonus is small potatoes....the projections had the top bonus under $ 8 million...and three of the top five were under $4 million.

The rolling 5 year viewership is where the money is...
My point is they squawked and threatened in an entitled fashion and absolutely sucked out loud. But you knew that was the point.
 
Clown the ACC all you want, this reward system is the antidote to P2 programs doing nothing to win and collecting checks (especially B10). The ACC is vulnerable because they have good programs and national brands. They don’t cater to their weakest members. Can you say the same B12?

I have to chuckle at FSUs performance bonus. Some Gen Z whizkid selling stocks did better last year.
It is long overdue for all of the conferences to do this.
This is an intermediate step toward getting rid of the Boston College level riffraff. Eventually, there repeated under performance will cause them to become a de facto under class that can't compete. This in turn will justify them getting spun off.

Arguably, this is a karma moment that we can sit back and chuckle at, but I think it signals that the era of conference expansion is coming to a close, if not already over, and a new error of consolidation is on the horizon. That's not good news for schools like us that are outside the existing demarcation line.
 
This is an intermediate step toward getting rid of the Boston College level riffraff. Eventually, there repeated under performance will cause them to become a de facto under class that can't compete. This in turn will justify them getting spun off.

Arguably, this is a karma moment that we can sit back and chuckle at, but I think it signals that the era of conference expansion is coming to a close, if not already over, and a new error of consolidation is on the horizon. That's not good news for schools like us that are outside the existing demarcation line.
Smartest comment I’ve seen in months on the BY. Our fate is tied more to BC than UNC. Sucks, but true. F superconferences and football driving the college sports bus into the ditch of boring corporate professionalism.
 
My point is they squawked and threatened in an entitled fashion and absolutely sucked out loud. But you knew that was the point.

They did last year...the year before won 13 games and were ACC Champs...we'll see how they rebuild...

Entitled ? Oh BS...They didn't threaten, they caught the conference in lies and dealing...All the media (and this board) went on about the iron clad GOR, rights owned by the conference if a school left (all based on ACC misinformation and hidden documents)...the ACC didn't give that all up willingly...as soon as it looked like their hand was going to be exposed by the court, they folded. UNC sniveled at first and then jumped on the train.....now it's ..."whee...unchained".

Nobody notices Clemson. Why? Because their board discussions are not public information nor open to the press or public...FSU's board discussions..every word, comma, and period are open to be spread through the internet megaverse (unlike Clemson's).

On another ACC take...Women's Soccer has the ACC Preseason ranked with #1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 14, 15....I love soccer and I wish my school had men's soccer....

The SEC is holding down a bunch of preseason softball rankings...Tex, Oklahoma. Tenn, Florida, Ole Miss, and South Carolina in Top 10.
 
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They did last year...the year before won 13 games and were ACC Champs...we'll see how they rebuild...

Entitled ? Oh BS...They didn't threaten, they caught the conference in lies and dealing...All the media (and this board) went on about the iron clad GOR, rights owned by the conference if a school left (all based on ACC misinformation and hidden documents)...the ACC didn't give that all up willingly...as soon as it looked like their hand was going to be exposed by the court, they folded. UNC sniveled at first and then jumped on the train.....now it's ..."whee...unchained".

Nobody notices Clemson. Why? Because their board discussions are not public information nor open to the press or public...FSU's board discussions..every word, comma, and period are open to be spread through the internet megaverse (unlike Clemson's).

On another ACC take...Women's Soccer has the ACC with #1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 10, 14, 15....I love soccer and I wish my school had men's soccer....

The SEC is holding down a bunch of preseason softball rankings...Tex, Oklahoma. Tenn, Florida, Ole Miss, and South Carolina in Top 10.
If you equate brand and tv ratings (accumulated by history) with deserving more money, you’re part of the problem. Leverage is not talent, brains, or a sign of excellence. Especially given FSU’s last 10 years. I chuckle at their performance payout and will until it changes. At least Clemson backed it up with a so-so season (for them) last year.
41-39 over the past 10 years in a league they’re too good for.
Blocked UConn from coming in
With ACC money, UConn could have won half their football games and helped the conference remain relevant in their historically #1 sport (and it’s not women’s soccer). They do less with more and complained it wasn’t enough. The opposite of UConn Athletics.
Like the conference, wish UConn was in - FSU, you can have ‘em. Respect for being true to your school and all, but c’mon, this is a UConn board.
In all sincerity, Jarrett is a great baseball coach. Those kids are truly savages in the box.
 
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Clown the ACC all you want, this reward system is the antidote to P2 programs doing nothing to win and collecting checks (especially B10). The ACC is vulnerable because they have good programs and national brands. They don’t cater to their weakest members. Can you say the same B12?

I have to chuckle at FSUs performance bonus. Some Gen Z whizkid selling stocks did better last year.
The difference between the ACC and the Big12 is that the top of the ACC is higher than the top of the Big12 but the middle and bottom of the Big12 is higher than the middle and bottom of the ACC. So, it'd be silly for the Big12 to have created a unequal revenue share system up to this point. Though, they'll probably move towards it next - now that their closest competitor has done it. Will be interesting to see if/when the Big10 and SEC get there one day.
 
"UNC sniveled at first and then jumped on the train.....now it's ..."whee...unchained"."

Actually, they sat back and used FSU like a stalking horse to do the work for them, for free, and now sit back, laughing at them as they have revealed themselves to be a problematic conference partner.
 
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FSU's TV viewing (what earns the conference money) has been pretty dang good over the last ten years...

2015-2019....FSU was #14 nationally in viewing ratings...https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-bring-in-the-most-tv-viewers-efc03c689e50

2016-23...FSU is one of the 18 programs accounting for 50% of TV viewing...https://medium.com/run-it-back-with-zach/which-college-football-programs-bring-in-the-most-tv-viewers-efc03c689e50

Folks can whine...but building a brand, winning games against good teams takes time...you get paid for what you earn. There is no short term climb...the climb takes effort, alumni support, and athletes. Things may have changed now that you can buy athletes from year to year...but I have watched the climb for fifty years...yeah, I get it...some will say if. if, if...and I remember saying that way, way, back in the day.....

Sooo...we have a difference of opinion...I say that when the media values you and pays a conference based on that value, you deserve that value return...I have no problem if UConn gets paid more than Georgetown.
 
Unequal revenue sharing will pressure the ability of the lower tier ACC schools to compete. Is that a good for the conference? Probably not long term, but the conference is only focused on holding together until 2030/2031 when the exit fee drops to $75 million.
 
Wouldn't go that far but most major college programs have been studying how NFL teams manage their roster which includes salaries. Belichick has blurred the line between how college teams use countable coaches. He has scouting department personnel who actively recruit off campus, coaches who only coach etc, has full salary structure for each player & is using the bottom third of the 105 roster limit as a true development squad.
Belichick is doing things differently at UNC. Look at 2026 recruiting. UNC currently has 36 commits for 2026 (most of any college) as it seems he is going to develop players using his full 105 roster. Will it work? It could, especially since you can churn the roster if players don't work out.
 
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Belichick is doing things differently at UNC. Look at 2026 recruiting. UNC currently has 36 commits for 2026 (most of any college) as it seems he is going to develop players using his full 105 roster. Will it work? It could, especially since you can churn the roster if players don't work out.
Yes he is doing things differently. Jordan's seeing to that.

UNC Yoga
 
Belichick is doing things differently at UNC. Look at 2026 recruiting. UNC currently has 36 commits for 2026 (most of any college) as it seems he is going to develop players using his full 105 roster. Will it work? It could, especially since you can churn the roster if players don't work out.
Are these freshmen or does it include transfers? I'd think with BB they would load up on transfers from the portal which is the strategy these days. The whole BB - Hudson social media posts is just too bizarre.

Like you said, I think the unequal revenue sharing is the chewing gum holding the conference together for a few more years. It is not a long-term strategy so the Big 12 has an advantage there.

This is an intermediate step toward getting rid of the Boston College level riffraff. Eventually, there repeated under performance will cause them to become a de facto under class that can't compete. This in turn will justify them getting spun off.

Arguably, this is a karma moment that we can sit back and chuckle at, but I think it signals that the era of conference expansion is coming to a close, if not already over, and a new error of consolidation is on the horizon. That's not good news for schools like us that are outside the existing demarcation line.
I think in the old CR thinking, it would not be good for UConn. But if consolidation is the new model, it actually may be pretty good for UConn. It all depends on how many programs make the cut. It's all about how large the P2 want to get but UConn will be part of the rest in one way or another.
 
Are these freshmen or does it include transfers? I'd think with BB they would load up on transfers from the portal which is the strategy these days. The whole BB - Hudson social media posts is just too bizarre.

Like you said, I think the unequal revenue sharing is the chewing gum holding the conference together for a few more years. It is not a long-term strategy so the Big 12 has an advantage there.


I think in the old CR thinking, it would not be good for UConn. But if consolidation is the new model, it actually may be pretty good for UConn. It all depends on how many programs make the cut. It's all about how large the P2 want to get but UConn will be part of the rest in one way or another.
36 Freshman commits for 2026 & he signed 30 for 2025 even though he wasn't hired until mid December. Also signed 41 transfers & my guess is he signs 15 or so this cycle. Somebody is likely transferring whether they want to or not
 
How could he even know that? The market for talent is still developing and there’s no salary cap. Being competitive at a national level may very well require an athletic department to blow its brains out financially.

He was talking top of ACC… which lags B1G/SEC:

 
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How could he even know that? The market for talent is still developing and there’s no salary cap. Being competitive at a national level may very well require an athletic department to blow its brains out financially.
I think this is how he is thinking about it. Start with the $144 million budget today. First, you have to add $20.5 million for revenue share. Next, VT's football head coach makes ~$4.8 million and the top coaches in the ACC are making $11 million and $10 million. So add $5 million for the head football coach. VT's football assistant coach pool is ~$5.5 million ad the top ACC schools pay $8.5 to $10 million, so add $4 million for the football assistant coach pool. Next, VT pays their head basketball coach $2.8 million and the top ACC coaches are between $4 and $8 million., so add say $2 million for the basketball coach. Finally, they probably need to boost hiring and salaries for support staff, nutritionists, strength coaches, other sports,...
 
One thing is assured- the budgets in college sports are nutz today and are about to stupid in the next decade. The competition here is ferocious. Market size and alumni firepower will rule the day in the long run. The B1G and SEC know it- they have known for 30 years. At some point it have to be acknowledged that schools with [1-2M] football budgets have no business playing David vs the Goliaths with [30M-70M] budgets. And so the breakaway will be for mercy.
 
One thing is assured- the budgets in college sports are nutz today and are about to stupid in the next decade. The competition here is ferocious. Market size and alumni firepower will rule the day in the long run. The B1G and SEC know it- they have known for 30 years. At some point it have to be acknowledged that schools with [1-2M] football budgets have no business playing David vs the Goliaths with [30M-70M] budgets. And so the breakaway will be for mercy.

Yep...I have been preaching forever that with 136 schools playing in the same Div I FBS, it is only a fiction that they are all playing the same football for the same prize.

Sure, there are occasional upsets...but a line underdog of 14.5 loses 87% of the time (1997-2023).
 
One thing is assured- the budgets in college sports are nutz today and are about to stupid in the next decade. The competition here is ferocious. Market size and alumni firepower will rule the day in the long run. The B1G and SEC know it- they have known for 30 years. At some point it have to be acknowledged that schools with [1-2M] football budgets have no business playing David vs the Goliaths with [30M-70M] budgets. And so the breakaway will be for mercy.
You're underestimating the size of budgets by a lot. Even the Ivies have $10m football budgets. A MAC school will have a $25m football budget. I definitely think UConn must be in that $30-$40M range. Goliaths are $100M and above.
 
You're underestimating the size of budgets by a lot. Even the Ivies have $10m football budgets. A MAC school will have a $25m football budget. I definitely think UConn must be in that $30-$40M range. Goliaths are $100M and above.
True....although, I think sometimes - depending on who they are talking too, the small schools are inclined to inflate their numbers to make it sound like they are still a 'big - small dog.'
 
He was talking top of ACC… which lags B1G/SEC:



I understand that and my comment was much more broadly based. I continue to believe that the current system is not sustainable. Revenue sharing and NIL will blur for a lot of the top programs and will drive competition for talent to unsustainable financial demands. Again, with no salary cap in place what stops a program like LSU from lining up support for big payrolls? How sustainable is that? Does that really drive continued interest in college football?
 
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