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Kolumbo said:
I agree but it will depend on what number the B1G and SEC stop at and where they feed. Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Arizona or Arizona State, could all be targets too. The best of the Big 12 and ACC would be a great conference but some will be poached.
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That's true. All bets are off after the B1G ditched its 100-year-old contiguous model to chase LA $. At this point I see no reason it won't eventually explore expansion in states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, and Colorado. I wouldn't even put it past them to flip a school like Missouri.

The SEC I could see standing pat at 16 for a while. They seem more committed, at this point in time, to preserving some semblance of tradition and geographical coherency. At least all their schools can still be considered southern. The B1G and ACC have gone full mask off.

UNC and UVA have long been presumed to be the next dominos to fall, but I'm now starting to wonder. You'd think that if those two schools were P2 caliber, they'd have already been scooped up. In UVA's case, especially, the shine seems to be fading. I'm not even sure the Big 12 would want them.

With brand power now being the operative term, I would not be shocked to see UNC take Duke as their dance partner in the event that they move leagues. While Duke's football program is largely a write-off, I think the SEC has more than enough room to accommodate another middling football team or two. For scheduling purposes, it wouldn't hurt to have a counterweight to Vanderbilt - especially if they decide to go back to divisions (as I think every league should).
 
champs99and04 said:
That's true. All bets are off after the B1G ditched its 100-year-old contiguous model to chase LA $. At this point I see no reason it won't eventually explore expansion in states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, and Colorado. I wouldn't even put it past them to flip a school like Missouri.

The SEC I could see standing pat at 16 for a while. They seem more committed, at this point in time, to preserving some semblance of tradition and geographical coherency. At least all their schools can still be considered southern. The B1G and ACC have gone full mask off.

UNC and UVA have long been presumed to be the next dominos to fall, but I'm now starting to wonder. You'd think that if those two schools were P2 caliber, they'd have already been scooped up. In UVA's case, especially, the shine seems to be fading. I'm not even sure the Big 12 would want them.

With brand power now being the operative term, I would not be shocked to see UNC take Duke as their dance partner in the event that they move leagues. While Duke's football program is largely a write-off, I think the SEC has more than enough room to accommodate another middling football team or two. For scheduling purposes, it wouldn't hurt to have a counterweight to Vanderbilt - especially if they decide to go back to divisions (as I think every league should).
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I don't think the SEC wants to be the reason the ACC breaks up. Having the ACC around helps their cause.

If the ACC fractures, there are unknown consequences to college football, it could make the Big 12 stronger.

I think the B1G and SEC are happy being the top two college football brands.

Keeping things status quo allows those two conferences to call the shots.

They are making top $$$ and college football would diminish if the ACC went away.

What would be left if they raided. Right now it's the law of diminishing returns. Adding other schools might give you more, but what would non conference opponents qualify look like.

It's bad optics and when the B1G grabbed USC and UCLA, and the Big 12 finished off the PAC. The college football landscape dynamic changed.

Ultimately, its not in the SEC''s best interest. An already weaker ACC is much better than the ACC disappearing because the conference footprint is so close and the last thing they want is to have to divide the pie with the 12

That being said, if the ACC is raided, UNC. and UVA will have a home in the SEC.
 
champs99and04 said:
That's true. All bets are off after the B1G ditched its 100-year-old contiguous model to chase LA $. At this point I see no reason it won't eventually explore expansion in states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, and Colorado. I wouldn't even put it past them to flip a school like Missouri.

The SEC I could see standing pat at 16 for a while. They seem more committed, at this point in time, to preserving some semblance of tradition and geographical coherency. At least all their schools can still be considered southern. The B1G and ACC have gone full mask off.

UNC and UVA have long been presumed to be the next dominos to fall, but I'm now starting to wonder. You'd think that if those two schools were P2 caliber, they'd have already been scooped up. In UVA's case, especially, the shine seems to be fading. I'm not even sure the Big 12 would want them.

With brand power now being the operative term, I would not be shocked to see UNC take Duke as their dance partner in the event that they move leagues. While Duke's football program is largely a write-off, I think the SEC has more than enough room to accommodate another middling football team or two. For scheduling purposes, it wouldn't hurt to have a counterweight to Vanderbilt - especially if they decide to go back to divisions (as I think every league should).
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Using that logic, then UConn would be an outstanding addition to the SEC. Opens the door to the northeast.
 
buddy said:
Using that logic, then UConn would be an outstanding addition to the SEC. Opens the door to the northeast.
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Chief00 predicted this years ago. It’s so outrageous that it’s genius. Could UConn vs Bama get the Northeast back into college football? I say, yes. If it ever happens, I have vowed to make sure Chief gets credit for making the call. UConn to the SEC and the SEC laughs at Rutgers and the B1G all the way to the bank.
 
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Hoophound said:
Chief00 predicted this years ago. It’s so outrageous that it’s genius. Could UConn vs Bama get the Northeast back into college football? I say, yes. If it ever happens, I have vowed to make sure Chief gets credit for making the call. UConn to the SEC and the SEC laughs at Rutgers and the B1G all the way to the bank.
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Chiefin ain't easy.
 
buddy said:
Using that logic, then UConn would be an outstanding addition to the SEC. Opens the door to the northeast.
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B1GEast said:
It's bad optics and when the B1G grabbed USC and UCLA, and the Big 12 finished off the PAC. The college football landscape dynamic changed.
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No one even remembers that the initial B12 killed the Southwest Conference or that the ACC did to the BgE.
And so too everyone will forget these recent changes.

I don't see the P2 stopping because (a) there are gains to be made (in some cases) and (b) they can't sit by and let the other conference scoop up assets.

Seems like we are headed to a full professional league. The SEC/B1G will be the NBA/ABA, next tier will be the G league, and then additional minor leagues after that.
 
Vowelguy said:
No one even remembers that the initial B12 killed the Southwest Conference or that the ACC did to the BgE.
And so too everyone will forget these recent changes.

I don't see the P2 stopping because (a) there are gains to be made (in some cases) and (b) they can't sit by and let the other conference scoop up assets.

Seems like we are headed to a full professional league. The SEC/B1G will be the NBA/ABA, next tier will be the G league, and then additional minor leagues after that.
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All the B1G and SEC want is more money. They get it with the current power structure.

They want more teams in the CFO which will benefit them. The conferences will get more dollars for being in the top bowl games and playoffs.

They need out of conference games, but if all that is left is tier three level games, it won't matter.

Clemson in the ACC is worth more for both the B1G and the SEC. If that wasn't so, half of the ACC teams would have bolted.

I might be totally wrong, but that's how I'm reading it
 
B1GEast said:
I don't think the SEC wants to be the reason the ACC breaks up. Having the ACC around helps their cause.

If the ACC fractures, there are unknown consequences to college football, it could make the Big 12 stronger.

I think the B1G and SEC are happy being the top two college football brands.

Keeping things status quo allows those two conferences to call the shots.

They are making top $$$ and college football would diminish if the ACC went away.

What would be left if they raided. Right now it's the law of diminishing returns. Adding other schools might give you more, but what would non conference opponents qualify look like.

It's bad optics and when the B1G grabbed USC and UCLA, and the Big 12 finished off the PAC. The college football landscape dynamic changed.

Ultimately, its not in the SEC''s best interest. An already weaker ACC is much better than the ACC disappearing because the conference footprint is so close and the last thing they want is to have to divide the pie with the 12

That being said, if the ACC is raided, UNC. and UVA will have a home in the SEC.
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The die is cast. UNC, FSU, and Clemson will not be in the ACC by 2030 or possibly sooner. The SEC won’t give a rat’s if they are deemed the reason that the ACC fails. This will be the last major conference realignment period for a long time. The SEC and B1G will make sure that they secure the programs that will put them in the most advantageous position for future TV deals.
 
B1GEast said:
I don't think the SEC wants to be the reason the ACC breaks up. Having the ACC around helps their cause.
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I think the ACC is going to be the reason the ACC breaks up. The half of the conference that takes football seriously (Miami, Clemson, FSU, NC State, Louisville, VT, and maybe one or two others) is going to bolt for the Big 12 as soon as it can. The rest will disperse in whichever direction the wind blows them (for the Big East's sake, hopefully it brings some of them back to their roots).

buddy said:
Using that logic, then UConn would be an outstanding addition to the SEC. Opens the door to the northeast.
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I don't think the SEC has any desire to expand more than a state or two beyond its existing footprint, if at all. I know that might be hard to believe in light of the B1G's imperialist takeover of the west coast, but I think SEC fans have stronger spines than B1G fans. They genuinely want the SEC to consist of southern teams and don't care as much about the business side of things.

As a UConn football fan, I'd rather be in a league where we can compete, anyway. If we stay patient and play our cards right, we could end up back in the same league as BC, Cuse, Pitt, etc. Throw in another couple schools like Temple, USF, and maybe some combination of Wake, ECU, UNC, GT, UVA, and you have a conference that actually makes sense. Hell, maybe even UMass. Remaining isolated and estranged from any natural rivalries is not the way to revive college football in the northeast.
 
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champs99and04 said:
I think the ACC is going to be the reason the ACC breaks up. The half of the conference that takes football seriously (Miami, Clemson, FSU, NC State, Louisville, VT, and maybe one or two others) is going to bolt for the Big 12 as soon as it can. The rest will disperse in whichever direction the wind blows them (for the Big East's sake, hopefully it brings some of them back to their roots).


I don't think the SEC has any desire to expand more than a state or two beyond its existing footprint, if at all. I know that might be hard to believe in light of the B1G's imperialist takeover of the west coast, but I think SEC fans have stronger spines than B1G fans. They genuinely want the SEC to consist of southern teams and don't care as much about the business side of things.

As a UConn football fan, I'd rather be in a league where we can compete, anyway. If we stay patient and play our cards right, we could end up back in the same league as BC, Cuse, Pitt, etc. Throw in another couple schools like Temple, USF, and maybe some combination of Wake, ECU, UNC, GT, UVA, and you have a conference that actually makes sense. Hell, maybe even UMass. Remaining isolated and estranged from any natural rivalries is not the way to revive college football in the northeast.
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That league will hurt basketball. It needs to be a stronger combo than that, and I think it will be.

In our region, the old Big East schools with some combo of basketball only schools is ideal. I know people don’t like the hybrid but having Cuse, BC etc. back and taking Nova, SJU, Georgetown and one or two of Marquette and PC would make a nice conference. I’m not too big on bringing in schools like ECU and Temple. That’s a step down that will ruin things.
 
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Hoophound said:
That league will hurt basketball. It needs to be a stronger combo than that, and I think it will be.

In our region, the old Big East schools with some combo of basketball only schools is ideal. I know people don’t like the hybrid but having a Cuse, BC etc. back and taking Nova, SJU, Georgetown and one or two of Marquette and PC would make a nice conference. I’m not too big on bringing in schools like ECU and Temple. That’s a step down that will ruin things.
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Maybe the best way to avoid the issues that plague the old big east hybrid format is simply to have a separate football conference and have those teams join the big east for other sports. That way, the big east conference remains a basketball center conference, which seems more stable, albeit less lucrative. The football schools could then keep whatever they make without worrying about the basketball only's begging for scraps.

All that said, I think it's far more likely that we would join the ACC remnant teams in the ACC. That branding has value and is likely to produce more revenue than a new football conference of former Big East schools.
 
champs99and04 said:
I think the ACC is going to be the reason the ACC breaks up. The half of the conference that takes football seriously (Miami, Clemson, FSU, NC State, Louisville, VT, and maybe one or two others) is going to bolt for the Big 12 as soon as it can. The rest will disperse in whichever direction the wind blows them (for the Big East's sake, hopefully it brings some of them back to their roots).


I don't think the SEC has any desire to expand more than a state or two beyond its existing footprint, if at all. I know that might be hard to believe in light of the B1G's imperialist takeover of the west coast, but I think SEC fans have stronger spines than B1G fans. They genuinely want the SEC to consist of southern teams and don't care as much about the business side.

As a UConn football fan, I'd rather be in a league where we can compete, anyway. If we stay patient and play our cards right, we could end up back in the same league as BC, Cuse, Pitt, etc. Throw in another couple schools like Temple, USF, and maybe some combination of Wake, ECU, UNC, GT, UVA, and you have a conference that actually makes sense. Hell, maybe even UMass. Remaining isolated and estranged from any natural rivalries is not the way to revive college football in the northeast.
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It was a joke! There is no chance of SEC or B1G admission. For the SEC, they are still in the CSA.
 
buddy said:
It was a joke! There is no chance of SEC or B1G admission. For the SEC, they are still in the CSA.
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Way to walk it back, buddy! No, you are on record as being the leading advocate of the Connecticut to the SEC rumors. You're going to have to find a way to live with that.
 
champs99and04 said:
UNC and UVA have long been presumed to be the next dominos to fall, but I'm now starting to wonder. You'd think that if those two schools were P2 caliber, they'd have already been scooped up.
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The ACC has only lost one program, a cash-strapped Maryland that the B10 hoped would shake out a few others. The penalties and GOR have basically locked up all the ACC programs the last dozen years. There has been no chance for poaching until now (or more likely in 4 years or so).
 
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What does this do to every other conferences grant of rights? It's a settlement, not an adjudication so it would have minimal value in determining what another conference is GOR means.
 
CL82 said:
Way to walk it back, buddy! No, you are on record as being the leading advocate of the Connecticut to the SEC rumors. You're going to have to find a way to live with that.
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I think I could live with that!
 
CL82 said:
Way to walk it back, buddy! No, you are on record as being the leading advocate of the Connecticut to the SEC rumors. You're going to have to find a way to live with that.
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Not a valid rumor until conspiracy kitten acknowledges it.
 
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champs99and04 said:
I think the ACC is going to be the reason the ACC breaks up. The half of the conference that takes football seriously (Miami, Clemson, FSU, NC State, Louisville, VT, and maybe one or two others) is going to bolt for the Big 12 as soon as it can. The rest will disperse in whichever direction the wind blows them (for the Big East's sake, hopefully it brings some of them back to their roots).


I don't think the SEC has any desire to expand more than a state or two beyond its existing footprint, if at all. I know that might be hard to believe in light of the B1G's imperialist takeover of the west coast, but I think SEC fans have stronger spines than B1G fans. They genuinely want the SEC to consist of southern teams and don't care as much about the business side of things.

As a UConn football fan, I'd rather be in a league where we can compete, anyway. If we stay patient and play our cards right, we could end up back in the same league as BC, Cuse, Pitt, etc. Throw in another couple schools like Temple, USF, and maybe some combination of Wake, ECU, UNC, GT, UVA, and you have a conference that actually makes sense. Hell, maybe even UMass. Remaining isolated and estranged from any natural rivalries is not the way to revive college football in the northeast.
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The SEC finished with a high 7 programs ranked in 2024 and that didn't even include Auburn, Florida, Oklahoma, LSU, TAMU
Big Ten finished with 5 programs ranked which did not include Michigan, USC, Nebraska

Outside of Florida State and Clemson there are no football slam dunks anyway but I suppose these conferences will do what they can to increase $$$$. The fans will certainly tire of not winning conference championships and not being ranked. So to shake things up, yes, I see UConn as a valuable outside the box thinking addition to the SEC. Certainly for the Big Ten which is lagging in basketball. The Big Ten finished with just 2 ranked basketball teams! LOL!


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My region biased view of the ACC....(I always hated the non regional expansion).

The 9 member ACC 1982-2003 was a pretty good conference....If the ACC had only stopped in 2004 with the additions of Miami and VT...

The adding of BC, Syracuse,, Pitt, and Louisville, added post 2004, diluted the conference in terms of homogenous fandom, culture...And the ACC was already suffering a sort of idenity crisis regarding their split basketball/football cultures.

I do laud the SEC for being fairly steadfast in recognizing the value of their commonality and now playing on that strength to bringing along their basketball as well as being a football power.
 
A crazy idea...

A new bid offer from certain ACC schools....Put up the cost for us to leave the ACC and take our place.... $147 million no longer sounds ludicrous.

Clemson : "Hey USF... For our Exit Fee of $147 million in 2027, us and our partner, FSU, will call the vote...and veto any other invites."
 
billybud said:
A crazy idea...

A new bid offer from certain ACC schools....Put up the cost for us to leave the ACC and take our place.... $147 million no longer sounds ludicrous.

Clemson : "Hey USF... For our Exit Fee of $147 million in 2027, us and our partner, FSU, will call the vote...and veto any other invites."
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Not a crazy idea, but the ACC would have to offer a spot to the school that paid the buyout which isn't a given.
 
UConnJim said:
Not a crazy idea, but the ACC would have to offer a spot to the school that paid the buyout which isn't a given.
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True...but as long as FSU and Clemson are members of the conference, no team will be added without their approval...they have absolute veto rights.
 
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