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We should’ve won but overall it’s not terrible.

it was a bad loss because of all the mistakes that were made. where was akok? and can someone teach jackson and hawkins how to dribble and control the ball?
Every loss has mistakes. It's why you lose. Would there be any loss you consider not a bad loss? I doubt it. We could lose to the 96 Bulls and this board would say, "No excuses! Winners find a way to win!". Delusional
 
If you look back on his career his percentages indicate he's a good shooter. He's shot under 38% ONE time. While averaging about 4 attempts a game. This season is 9 games old. Come and see me in march.

Question: Is Akok a better shooter than Polley?

Just to call out your bs

I feel just as confident with Akok taking a 3 as I do with Polley.
 
Instead of cherry-picking stats/games, let's look at Polley's career numbers to judge him as a shooter. Anything short of that is using statistics to paint a pre-determined narrative rather than honest discussion.

Polley 3PT%
17-18 - 41.7%
18 -19 - 38.0%
19 - 20 - 40.5%
20 - 21 - 35.5%
21 - 22 - 30.8%

His shooting has regressed the last 2 years, there's no denying he's streaky. There is no argument to be made that a guy who shoots 37.2% from deep for his career "isn't a good shooter" unless you're just a bad fan who wants to badmouth a player.

He's currently the 5th best 3PT shooter in UConn history, just behind Rip, ahead of Vital.

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Rashad Anderson shot 38.6% for his career. Every 100 threes, Rashad made 1.4 more than Polley.

Our problem isn't that Polley isn't a good shooter, it's that he hasn't had the ability to consistently make shots when we really need him to.

Nobody talked about his "0-For the Game" effort against Coppin State because we won by 35.

I love all UConn players and hope every player has the chance to break records. Polley has played 5 years here and has been the same player since day 1, it’s inevitable he’d make a list if he is somewhat productive, which he has been. If people actually think he deserves to be recognized as one of the best 3 point shooters in school history, I’m convinced that they think their aunt has balls
 
Instead of cherry-picking stats/games, let's look at Polley's career numbers to judge him as a shooter. Anything short of that is using statistics to paint a pre-determined narrative rather than honest discussion.

Polley 3PT%
17-18 - 41.7%
18 -19 - 38.0%
19 - 20 - 40.5%
20 - 21 - 35.5%
21 - 22 - 30.8%

His shooting has regressed the last 2 years, there's no denying he's streaky. There is no argument to be made that a guy who shoots 37.2% from deep for his career "isn't a good shooter" unless you're just a bad fan who wants to badmouth a player.

He's currently the 5th best 3PT shooter in UConn history, just behind Rip, ahead of Vital.

Edit:
Rashad Anderson shot 38.6% for his career. Every 100 threes, Rashad made 1.4 more than Polley. Statistically, he's not all that superior to Polley. Our problem isn't that Polley isn't a good shooter, it's that he hasn't had the ability to consistently make shots when we really need him to. Unlike Rashad who we felt would never miss, but who in fact shot less than 39%.

Nobody talked about Polley's "0-For the Game" effort against Coppin State because we won by 35.

Rashad shot a no-rotation knuckleball that had no margin of error when it came down. Polley has a sweet looking shot.

It is worth remembering that Rashad got to shoot with 3 future NBA players drawing double teams down low, and a fantastic college point guard in Marcus Williams creating for him. Rashad got a lot of open looks. Polley's defender is always right on him.
 
If you look back on his career his percentages indicate he's a good shooter. He's shot under 38% ONE time. While averaging about 4 attempts a game. This season is 9 games old. Come and see me in march.

Question: Is Akok a better shooter than Polley?

Just to call out your bs
Yeah pre injury he was good, still streaky, but good. We're not in that world anymore. And I have no idea what type of shooter Akok is, he has no significant volume. It wouldn't bother me if he started taking some of Polley's attempts. I'm quite sure he could have gone 0-3 vs MSU, 0-4 vs VCU, 0-4 against WVU.
 
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Every loss has mistakes. It's why you lose. Would there be any loss you consider not a bad loss? I doubt it. We could lose to the 96 Bulls and this board would say, "No excuses! Winners find a way to win!". Delusional
maybe so, but akok ss still missing in action every game and the other two are always an adventure whenever they touch the ball
 
Man I tell you with that “really really bad loss” we fell a whopping 4 spots in the NET. I’m a little confused seeing how bad of a team WV is.
 
Also, we just seemed rushed all game....just a tough first road test. I think we'll adapt and be better. Crowds here are different than atlantis.
 
Instead of cherry-picking stats/games, let's look at Polley's career numbers to judge him as a shooter. Anything short of that is using statistics to paint a pre-determined narrative rather than honest discussion.

Polley 3PT%
17-18 - 41.7%
18 -19 - 38.0%
19 - 20 - 40.5%
20 - 21 - 35.5%
21 - 22 - 30.8%

His shooting has regressed the last 2 years, there's no denying he's streaky. There is no argument to be made that a guy who shoots 37.2% from deep for his career "isn't a good shooter" unless you're just a bad fan who wants to badmouth a player.

He's currently the 5th best 3PT shooter in UConn history, just behind Rip, ahead of Vital.

Edit:
Rashad Anderson shot 38.6% for his career. Every 100 threes, Rashad made 1.4 more than Polley. Statistically, he's not all that superior to Polley. Our problem isn't that Polley isn't a good shooter, it's that he hasn't had the ability to consistently make shots when we really need him to. Unlike Rashad who we felt would never miss, but who in fact shot less than 39%.

Nobody talked about Polley's "0-For the Game" effort against Coppin State because we won by 35.
Sure, but
a. Rashad was ridiculously clutch, and
b. He didn't get to his 38.6% by being incredible in a small handful of games, and bad in most others. He consistently shot well.


In the last 2 years Polley has had 3 games where he was incredible and pretty much won us the game, and then 29 games where he averaged 28% from three. If people want to use the word good to define that, OK.
 
a. Rashad was ridiculously clutch, and
b. He didn't get to his 38.6% by being incredible in a small handful of games, and bad in most others. He consistently shot well.


In the last 2 years Polley has had 3 games where he was incredible and pretty much won us the game, and then 29 games where he averaged 28% from three. If people want to use the word good to define that, OK.
"If you take away his great games he's average"
 
Not to pile on Polley, who is a fine player in my opinion, but last night he seemed to really be forcing it. He seemed to be doing a lot of dribbling to find a shot, which I've never really seen him do before, except in those couple games where he was on fire and hitting everything.
 
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I love all UConn players and hope every player has the chance to break records. Polley has played 5 years here and has been the same player since day 1, it’s inevitable he’d make a list if he is somewhat productive, which he has been. If people actually think he deserves to be recognized as one of the best 3 point shooters in school history, I’m convinced that they think their aunt has balls
I'm convinced you don't understand the difference between Percentage and Total made and therefore probably shouldn't venture into the nuances of gender discussions. 3PT% has nothing to do with longevity leading to production, and everything to do with how many shots you make out of how many you take. Full stop. Why do I have to explain this to an adult?

It doesn't matter if you take 406 threes over 5 seasons (Polley) or 715 over 4 seasons (Rashad), the % made is what it is, and isn't improved with longevity (in Polley's case it's the opposite).

His 3PT percentage, by the time he is done, will be good enough to be around 5th all time at UConn. Definitely top 10.

This stat is as objective as it gets.
 
I'm convinced you don't understand the difference between Percentage and Total made and therefore probably shouldn't venture into the nuances of gender discussions. 3PT% has nothing to do with longevity leading to production, and everything to do with how many shots you make out of how many you take. Full stop. Why do I have to explain this to an adult?

It doesn't matter if you take 406 threes over 5 seasons (Polley) or 715 over 4 seasons (Rashad), the % made is what it is, and isn't improved with longevity (in Polley's case it's the opposite).

His 3PT percentage, by the time he is done, will be good enough to be around 5th all time at UConn. Definitely top 10.

This stat is as objective as it gets.
The 5th all time 3point shooter in UConn history is a bad shooter
 
"If you take away his great games he's average"
He's below average if you take them away. And his great games are 1 in 10. Kind of a problem. You're acting like I'm removing half his games.

"If you're good at something 10% of the time that means you're good!"
 
He's below average if you take them away. And his great games are 1 in 10. Kind of a problem. You're acting like I'm removing half his games.
You are not being honest. All of his games are not hot or cold. He’s has plenty of 2-5, 3-8 games. You’re acting like people can’t go look up these stats. He’s going to go down as one of the top 5 3 point shooters in UConn history by the numbers and you’re calling him a bad shooter. I don’t know why you want to die on this hill
 
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Oh shut up. Every team we beat “ain’t that good” and every team we lose to is “terrible” are there any other decent programs in the country outside of ourselves? Calling an 8-1 WVU team who may be ranked next week a “really, really bad loss” is beyond delusional and reactionary
Auburn is a great team. We were lucky to win that after pissing away a lead . Usually we piss away leads late for a loss. See last night. Or Mich state or creighton BET or St. John’s last year, I can go on.
 
He's below average if you take them away. And his great games are 1 in 10. Kind of a problem. You're acting like I'm removing half his games.

"If you're good at something 10% of the time that means you're good!"
Tyler Polley is a career 37% 3 point shooter, even if we define his bad games as any time he shot below his career average that's 66/112 games. That's nowhere close to 10% good games
 
I think we're a bad shooting team. I agree 3-21 is unlikely to happen regularly, but I doubt you see Villanova ever shoot that badly.
Nova just shot 13-50 against cuse ( 26% ) and still win by 14. Because they don’t beat themselves in other aspects of game.
 
Auburn is a great team. We were lucky to win that after pissing away a lead . Usually we piss away leads late for a loss. See last night. Or Mich state or creighton BET or St. John’s last year, I can go on.
We weren’t lucky. We deserved to win. We were the better team. Late game management is an issue. There’s no disagreement there. Where I push back is on the notion that every loss is a bad loss. Had we loss clearly by 10 would it have been a better loss? I don’t understand the way of thinking. Disappointing? Yes. But acting as if WV is a “bad” team is unfounded. They’ve shown nothing this year for anyone to believe they’re a bad team. Unproven? Yes. But bad? Show me the proof.


Also, if we’re saying that every game we have a chance to win and don’t win is a bad loss, then we need to come to the conclusion that every loss the rest of the year will be a bad loss. We will have a chance to win every game. We’re that good in my opinion.
 
I am one of TPs biggest defenders. But Tyler has definitely underwhelmed this year. He was brilliant against Auburn. But he missed way too many good open shots. He simply has to knock those down at a higher clip. Given the number of good looks he has been getting his percentage should b going up not down.

He needs to figure it out because he is not shooting anywhere near capabilities.
 
Sure, but
a. Rashad was ridiculously clutch, and
b. He didn't get to his 38.6% by being incredible in a small handful of games, and bad in most others. He consistently shot well.


In the last 2 years Polley has had 3 games where he was incredible and pretty much won us the game, and then 29 games where he averaged 28% from three. If people want to use the word good to define that, OK.
Yes, in the last 2 years Polley's shooting has regressed. But ESPN looks to have his stats wrong for last season. they show he shot 35% from three last season, but if you look at the game log he shot 40% from three.

You have to ignore reality in order to argue his isn't a good shooter by pretending his first three seasons where he shot 41%, 38%, and 40% from deep didn't happen.
 
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Entertaining watchable game.

Boy that Taz Sherman is a nice player.

Surprised we didn’t cover him better.
 
I'm convinced you don't understand the difference between Percentage and Total made and therefore probably shouldn't venture into the nuances of gender discussions. 3PT% has nothing to do with longevity leading to production, and everything to do with how many shots you make out of how many you take. Full stop. Why do I have to explain this to an adult?

It doesn't matter if you take 406 threes over 5 seasons (Polley) or 715 over 4 seasons (Rashad), the % made is what it is, and isn't improved with longevity (in Polley's case it's the opposite).

His 3PT percentage, by the time he is done, will be good enough to be around 5th all time at UConn. Definitely top 10.

This stat is as objective as it gets.
It’s offensive you actually put him in the same sentence as Rashad. He has been the same player since day 1 like I said. Thanks for sharing the totals though so I didn’t have to look it up. Pretty telling that Rashad basically doubled his attempts in one less season lol.

He can have that percentage stat, anyone who follows this program understands he has a handful of great games a year and disappears the rest. It is what it is, glad he’s a Husky but I’ll never consider him one of the best shooters in program history
 
Yes, in the last 2 years Polley's shooting has regressed. But ESPN looks to have his stats wrong for last season. they show he shot 35% from three last season, but if you look at the game log he shot 40% from three.

You have to ignore reality in order to argue his isn't a good shooter by pretending his first three seasons where he shot 41%, 38%, and 40% from deep didn't happen.
That page shows an average of percentages, which isn't accurate, because it doesn't factor in that each game had different numbers of shots. For the specific total averages it's rounding (1.7/4.8 not 2/5).. You have to divide the raw totals, which is why 35% is correct.
 
I think there's a tendency in Hurley, and to be fair a large number of coaches at other schools, to coach these college players like an NBA coach might coach their players. That is, give them freedom to create. The problem is that these aren't NBA players, although some may eventually develop that level of skill. It's not reasonable expect that getting the ball inbounds, or creating a shot as the clock runs down is something that happens organically, especially down the stretch. Create some structure that they can rely on when the game is tense.
There is a necessary transition coming from AAU to college and hopefully the college coach teaches and implements an offensive system as well as a defensive one. We don't seem to have much in the way of an offensive system. I appreciate the emphasis on defense but as you point out, we don't seem to have that. WV throwing the 1-3-1 zone late in the game was a good example. Point guards should recognize what is happening and choose the option(s) that are practiced against those changes. If you know what your own team's weakness is it shouldn't be hard to figure out what your opponents will do. They're going to keep doing the same thing to you until you prove you can stop them. Flexibility.
 
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