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We should’ve won but overall it’s not terrible.

AJ was brutal any time he was on or in control of the ball

Akok got nothing going

Polley was a no-show

Moment too big for Hawk?

No Martin or Sanogo

Refs sucked

In their house

It is what it is
 
As a long time fan (Tony Hanson, Joey Whelan era), I've seen this team grow from a small, regional team to a national power as many of us have. I think the negative takes here are just the airing of the disappointment and frustration in losing a winnable game.

Is it terrible losing your first road game by 3 without two of your best players while in a hostile environment with some home cooking from the refs (20 fouls on us vs 13 on WV?) against a P5 opponent while shooting 14% from 3? No. Do those facts make it any easier to accept the loss in the moments right after it when we all know they could've won with a little better coaching or execution? No. Still sucks.
 
That’s a cop out though. What ifs are dumb. We missed the shots, and it’s not like we’re a good shooting team in the first place. Also got a lot of those open looks in transition or off of offensive boards, not a well run offense. I think you’ll struggle to find posters on this board that thought we ran the offense well.

I get that. And I think it’s true. But we created almost endless wide open looks in the first half and missed them all. Guys with no defender anywhere near them. I’m not sure what more could be done than that. We missed every single one of those shots.
 
That’s a cop out though. What ifs are dumb. We missed the shots, and it’s not like we’re a good shooting team in the first place. Also got a lot of those open looks in transition or off of offensive boards, not a well run offense. I think you’ll struggle to find posters on this board that thought we ran the offense well.
We ran nice offense in the first 30 minutes. We had several half court dunks on PnR, including 1 ATO, a couple nice Cole lobs for easy tip-ins. Some nice skip passes to wide open shooters. We punished their overplays with penetration a few times. WVU's defense is designed to take you out of your offense by pressuring the facilitators, and I thought Hurley put our guys in the right mindset and spots to capitalize on their defense for much of the game. We got a lot of easy looks compared to the shots that WVU was getting.

But WVU ramped up the D in the last 10 minutes boosted by the home crowd and we started hunting shots for some reason. We also turned the ball over a few times in crazy, frustrating fashion, so I may be attributing some of those to my recollection of the offense, That and a few guys who were open didn't shoot when they needed to and led to some shot clock violations (Akok, Jackson). That's on the players, not the sets.
 
I get that. And I think it’s true. But we created almost endless wide open looks in the first half and missed them all. Guys with no defender anywhere near them. I’m not sure what more could be done than that. We missed every single one of those shots.
Yeah but we know we miss shots often. Obviously not to that degree, but we aren’t a good shooting team. My problem is we don’t adjust when we aren’t shooting well. No one pump fakes on our team. I mean, how many times in the last few games have our players fallen for pump fakes? Why the hell can’t we do that. And we just literally don’t drive to the hopp at all. I watched 5 minutes of the KSU-Marquette game and saw more drives than we had our entire game. It’s so frustrating.
 
We ran nice offense in the first 30 minutes. We had several half court dunks on PnR, including 1 ATO, a couple nice Cole lobs for easy tip-ins. Some nice skip passes to wide open shooters. We punished their overplays with penetration a few times. WVU's defense is designed to take you out of your offense by pressuring the facilitators, and I thought Hurley put our guys in the right mindset and spots to capitalize on their defense for much of the game. We got a lot of easy looks compared to the shots that WVU was getting.

But WVU ramped up the D in the last 10 minutes boosted by the home crowd and we started hunting shots for some reason. We also turned the ball over a few times in crazy, frustrating fashion, so I may be attributing some of those to my recollection of the offense, That and a few guys who were open didn't shoot when they needed to and led to some shot clock violations (Akok, Jackson). That's on the players, not the sets.
I would bet that most of those looks came with under 10 seconds on the shotclock after Cole dribbled without any help, then pulled magic out to get to the rim. What i’m saying is our offense is so hard to watch because we don’t do anythinf for the first 15-20 seconds then we decide it’s time. That’s not what good teams do.
 
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Maybe a minor point, but one thing common to both losses: Cole never got to the FT line in either. Maybe that's by design due to MSU/WVU defenses or its major conference refs, but then he also went 7/8 vs Auburn. Whatever, I just find that interesting.
 
I would bet that most of those looks came with under 10 seconds on the shotclock after Cole dribbled without any help, then pulled magic out to get to the rim. What i’m saying is our offense is so hard to watch because we don’t do anythinf for the first 15-20 seconds then we decide it’s time. That’s not what good teams do.
Our offense was also designed to feed Sanogo in the post as the first option. We lost a huge chunk of the playbook.
 
Our offense was also designed to feed Sanogo in the post as the first option. We lost a huge chunk of the playbook.
Oh 100%. But a great X’s and O’s coach then gets back to the drawing board and find new ways to score. I’ve stated this in chats and other threads, but we never get our guards going downhill. That’s why Cole and Gaff and AJ don’t get to the rim much. Tyrese does because he’s a very aggressive player. We need more of that. We have too many guys that are either too slow or scared of contact. Great teams get drives to the rim pretty much whenever we want. We can’t in like any situation.
 
Maybe a minor point, but one thing common to both losses: Cole never got to the FT line in either. Maybe that's by design due to MSU/WVU defenses or its major conference refs, but then he also went 7/8 vs Auburn. Whatever, I just find that interesting.
Yeah I think cole being able to attack the rim freely would be a decent brokered of this team’s success
 
Oh 100%. But a great X’s and O’s coach then gets back to the drawing board and find new ways to score. I’ve stated this in chats and other threads, but we never get our guards going downhill. That’s why Cole and Gaff and AJ don’t get to the rim much. Tyrese does because he’s a very aggressive player. We need more of that. We have too many guys that are either too slow or scared of contact. Great teams get drives to the rim pretty much whenever we want. We can’t in like any situation.
It's been literally a week since Sanogo got hurt. There's only so much drawing you can do, and like I said I thought the offense was largely pretty good today minus the shot making and dumb turnovers. I bet our shot quality metric was actually quite high.

Neither Gaff or Cole are 1st step exploders that can really get downhill or turn the corner in general. Neither is great at finishing at the rim either over their career. I'm not sure designing your offense to maximize that is the right approach, but obviously hard to say either way without seeing it in action.
 
It's been literally a week since Sanogo got hurt. There's only so much drawing you can do, and like I said I thought the offense was largely pretty good today minus the shot making and dumb turnovers. I bet our shot quality metric was actually quite high.

Neither Gaff or Cole are 1st step exploders that can really get downhill or turn the corner in general. Neither is great at finishing at the rim either over their career. I'm not sure designing your offense to maximize that is the right approach, but obviously hard to say either way without seeing it in action.
Well putting all the eggs in the Sanogo basket, which it seems we have, is a recipe for large stretches of no production and more aggravation like we had tonight
 
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Years ago I was working on a feature that would list # of posts after a win, vs after a loss. I couldn't get it to work well enough, but the results I did generate were predictable. Some people only showed up after a loss.
Imagine being upset enough to post after a loss! What kind of fan does that?
 
That means absolutely nothing. Everyone watched what happen. You can gaslight all you want. We should have won that game.
Pointing out that we were accurately pegged as underdogs is not gaslighting. It is in fact the reality of the situation.
 
Maybe a minor point, but one thing common to both losses: Cole never got to the FT line in either. Maybe that's by design due to MSU/WVU defenses or its major conference refs, but then he also went 7/8 vs Auburn. Whatever, I just find that interesting.
And he got fouled a lot in both games. Definitely called 1 way.
 
I skipped all the comments, just wanted to say it if it wasn’t already…….you aren’t gonna win with Hawkins and Polley combining 1-13 from the field. That is just plain terrible. I’ll give Hawkins a pass since he’s a freshman, but Polley, come on dude
 
A winnable game in a very tough venue. Make some shots and execute offensive sets late in game.. Maybe a win. Dan Hurley has lost to two HOF coaches this year . Huggins is working the refs the minute they get to the arena.

Let's regroup and get a W on Sat.
 
So to cheer myself up this morning I'm watching "A Run for the Ages: 2010-2011 UConn". And early on there's this quote from Blaney:

"Jim did one of the great coaching things I've ever seen by him. He was able to use the five freshmen that we played all the time, but he was able to put them in places. His ability to pick and choose which one was going to give us some minutes was masterful."

I suppose that comes from experience, and I hope Hurley gets that experience very, very soon.
 
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They never make they’re free throws. Most of the guys who were missing for them aren’t good free throw shooters. Polley and Hawkins had abnormal nights
Your perception of Polley is hilarious. He is not a very good shooter and he did not have an abnormal night. He puts up 0-fers from 3 against good teams all the time.
 
Your perception of Polley is hilarious. He is not a very good shooter and he did not have an abnormal night. He puts up 0-fers from 3 against good teams all the time.
To say Polley isn't a good shooter is hilarious.

This is prime example of this board being laughably negative after a loss. Now Polley isnt a good shooter. Ignore the fact he damn near carried us to our best win of the season to date. Or that he's consistently a 40% three point shooter throughout his career. Forget all that and call the kid a bad shooter because he had a bad night. ZERO objectivity
 
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Taz can play. Would have been better if TM/AS were playing D to add a degree of difficulty to his shots.

The problem-- They were in street clothes..

Can only hope for continued team growth and a W on Sat
 
To say Polley isn't a good shooter is hilarious.
Polley shoots like Ray Allen 1 in 10 games and like Tyrese Martin the other 9. He’s not a good shooter. He’s shooting 23% from 3 this year in the 9 games that aren’t Auburn. Just like he shot 30% from 3 last year in the games that weren’t @Marquette or @Butler.

I‘m sure he’ll catch fire and win us another game or two, but he is not a good shooter in general.
 
Polley shoots like Ray Allen 1 in 10 games and like Tyrese Martin the other 9. He’s not a good shooter. He’s shooting 23% from 3 this year in the 9 games that aren’t Auburn. Just like he shot 30% from 3 last year in the games that weren’t @Marquette or @Butler.

I‘m sure he’ll catch fire and win us another game or two, but he is not a good shooter in general.
We'll just disagree. He's a streaky shooter. BUt definitely a good one. You exclude anyone's good performances and they'll look bad. That's a weird way of judging someone's ability.
 
We'll just disagree. He's a streaky shooter. BUt definitely a good one. You exclude anyone's good performances and they'll look bad. That's a weird way of judging someone's ability.
When you're excluding someone's "good performances", and you're only excluding 1 out of every 10 games, they're not good. This isn't that hard.
 
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All in all, we probably would’ve won be 5-10 with Sanogo and Martin. I see this game more as a building moment for the team.

Something I’ve generally been impressed with, outside of a few minute stretch were all aware of, is the half court offense. A lot better this year in total than I thought given Hurley’s never had a good half court offense before. Figured we would be relying on transition offense, which actually seemed to hurt us quite a bit last game.
 
When you're excluding someone's "good performances", and you're only excluding 1 out of every 10 games, they're not good. This isn't that hard.
If you look back on his career his percentages indicate he's a good shooter. He's shot under 38% ONE time. While averaging about 4 attempts a game. This season is 9 games old. Come and see me in march.

Question: Is Akok a better shooter than Polley?

Just to call out your bs
 
While I'd have obviously liked for them them to win. I don't think it was a really, really, bad loss under the circumstances, nor on paper (Down two starters, in a hostile environment). WVU made some ridiculous fall away 3s, but I though that the defense was okay for the most part.

On the other hand the style of on court play on the offensive end was concerning. Cole shouldn't have to play 40 minutes for UConn to generate offense, and getting across the time line should not be an adventure in out of control dribbling vs. a soft press. The offense was in shambles and I feel a team needs set multiple screens to get guys free, when the opponent is playing so much into your back pocket.

Also (and I don't get it), the Quad-4iest of Quad-4 teams have at least one guy that can hit an open 22'-2" jump shot. UConn hasn't had a knockdown shooter since 2015 and the floor will not open up until teams respect that UConn can hit that shot. Someone needs to take the pressure off Cole. I'm not sure Hawkins is that guy yet, Jackson has no confidence, and Whaley has too much.
 
Instead of cherry-picking stats/games, let's look at Polley's career numbers to judge him as a shooter. Anything short of that is using statistics to paint a pre-determined narrative rather than honest discussion.

Polley 3PT%
17-18 - 41.7%
18 -19 - 38.0%
19 - 20 - 40.5%
20 - 21 - 35.5%
21 - 22 - 30.8%

His shooting has regressed the last 2 years, there's no denying he's streaky. There is no argument to be made that a guy who shoots 37.2% from deep for his career "isn't a good shooter" unless you're just a bad fan who wants to badmouth a player.

He's currently the 5th best 3PT shooter in UConn history, just behind Rip, ahead of Vital.

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Rashad Anderson shot 38.6% for his career. Every 100 threes, Rashad made 1.4 more than Polley. Statistically, he's not all that superior to Polley. Our problem isn't that Polley isn't a good shooter, it's that he hasn't had the ability to consistently make shots when we really need him to. Unlike Rashad who we felt would never miss, but who in fact shot less than 39%.

Nobody talked about Polley's "0-For the Game" effort against Coppin State because we won by 35.
 
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If you think this was a really really bad loss. I feel bad for you as a fan.
it was a bad loss because of all the mistakes that were made. where was akok? and can someone teach jackson and hawkins how to dribble and control the ball?
 
Instead of cherry-picking stats/games, let's look at Polley's career numbers to judge him as a shooter. Anything short of that is using statistics to paint a pre-determined narrative rather than honest discussion.

Polley 3PT%
17-18 - 41.7%
18 -19 - 38.0%
19 - 20 - 40.5%
20 - 21 - 35.5%
21 - 22 - 30.8%

His shooting has regressed the last 2 years, there's no denying he's streaky. There is no argument to be made that a guy who shoots 37.2% from deep for his career "isn't a good shooter" unless you're just a bad fan who wants to badmouth a player.

He's currently the 5th best 3PT shooter in UConn history, just behind Rip, ahead of Vital.
It's reactionary. After a loss half of this board losses their minds. They begin to have a negative view of everything. And i'd bet real money that 30% won't hold
 
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