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Vital - Kenpom AAC POY (thus far)

Hopeful that CV will be honored on the 1st or 2nd team this year, he deserves it. Doubtful he will win POY, unless we win out.

Also Bouk should be a lock for Player of the Week tomorrow. Would bet the house on that one.
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Nah, not related at all. Just getting incredible amounts of joy over you losers trashing him for the better part of 4 Years and being wrong.
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I love Vital. I just can't remember any post you've ever made about another player or the team in general

You and Vital are the equivalent of FanMan and Clingan
 
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I think it’s pretty simple. Bouknight is our best player who should have the ball in his hands in late game situations. The go to guy.

Vital is the hardest worker. The lion heart who does the little things. The senior leader. He scores high in all the “hustle” and “leadership” categories. Rebounds, steals and free throws.

But he’s not gonna do what Bouk can do when the game is on the line. He’s not going to be drafted into the NBA. And when faced with overwhelming talent he struggles to score.

I don’t know why I take so much heat for pointing out the truth. Even Hurley doesn’t want Vital to be our go to guy at the end of games and has noticed Vitals bad late game decisions and has gotten on him over it.

People aren’t treating him wrong on here. They’re just stating facts.

I’ve said a million times I think he’s a warrior. But you guys are bloating him up to be something he is not and I don’t like when people try to shove opinions down my throat and if I don’t agree they get mad.

He would likely be behind a lot of our great guys on classic UConn times. He wouldn’t start as a 2 over Ben Gordon, or J Lamb or Napier. Not even sure if he would have started over a guy like Jerome Dyson. Most of these dudes were drafted in the nba and has really really high level talent. So it’s not inaccurate to say he wouldn’t have started. Though he definitely would have gotten plenty of minutes.

I just don’t like you guys telling me he’s up there with those guys when he hasn’t been able to help us to a postseason yet. Let’s see if that changes but as of right now I think you guys are overrating his abilities when you try to place him on our UConn great guards Mount Rushmore
 
superjohn said:
Huh? What eras would Vital be our starting shooting guard in?
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Vital is currently rated as the best player in the conference. If he’s coming off the bench I would assume that means you think our two starting guards would be ranked 1 and 2. Otherwise why are you sitting the best player in the conference?
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Vital is currently rated as the best player in the conference. If he’s coming off the bench I would assume that means you think our two starting guards would be ranked 1 and 2. Otherwise why are you sitting the best player in the conference?
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Again, what????
kemba said:
Unfortunately on losing tends people tend to focus on the negatives of the individual players. If Vital was here during a better era for uconn basketball he'd be beloved.
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superjohn said:
He would be in the role he was recruited to be in, 3 and D guard off the bench.
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DaveHuskiesFan said:
So our two starting guards in your scenario would be first and second in conference player of the year rankings?
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superjohn said:
Huh? What eras would Vital be our starting shooting guard in?
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DaveHuskiesFan said:
Vital gets ungodly amounts of hate that’s undeserved. Don’t worry, next year I’ll find somebody else to save from the hate.
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It’s not hate dude. It’s just reality. Answer this simple question...will Christian vital be drafted or make an NBA team? Or even the D league for that matter?

And if the answer is no he’s already worse than the majority of UConn guards within the last 20 years.

Let’s at least start there
 
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superjohn said:
Again, what????
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You think Vital is at best a 6th man.

Vital is currently rated as the best player in the conference.

If you think vital is a 6th man at best, then you think in your scenario where Vital is a 6th man that UConn’s two starting guards would be have to be in the top two of the Conference player if the year rankings.

Otherwise, why would you sit the current POY?
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Are you dense?
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This is not going well for you. I hope you're a little kid or a really old man. Try and follow along...

The poster Kemba said in a better era for UConn basketball Vital would be beloved. I reponded saying Vital would be in the role he was recruited to play which is 3 and D guard off the bench. You then went off the rails.

I'll ask again, what are these better eras of UConn basketball where Vital would be our starting shooting guard?
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
You think Vital is at best a 6th man.

Vital is currently rated as the best player in the conference.

If you think vital is a 6th man at best, then you think in your scenario where Vital is a 6th man that UConn’s two starting guards would be have to be in the top two of the Conference player if the year rankings.

Otherwise, why would you sit the current POY?
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Again, you're off the rails.
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
You think Vital is at best a 6th man.

Vital is currently rated as the best player in the conference.

If you think vital is a 6th man at best, then you think in your scenario where Vital is a 6th man that UConn’s two starting guards would be have to be in the top two of the Conference player if the year rankings.

Otherwise, why would you sit the current POY?
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I try and give you the benefit of the doubt but your takes are just so insane
 
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DaveHuskiesFan said:
You think Vital is at best a 6th man.

Vital is currently rated as the best player in the conference.

If you think vital is a 6th man at best, then you think in your scenario where Vital is a 6th man that UConn’s two starting guards would be have to be in the top two of the Conference player if the year rankings.

Otherwise, why would you sit the current POY?
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You won't even debate or address any of my points. You make selective arguments and call it "hate" when others don't agree with you. This is why I made that very crazy post after Bouk went off against Tulsa. BC you just don't seem to get it. Was hoping that would be the nail in the coffin but you still won't stop w this crap
 
BNich said:
And Vital not only outplayed Cumberland (who I called the best player in the conference) on the offensive end, but shut him down on defense as well. One hell of an effort from the senior leader today. His defense down the stretch in regulation and in overtime with 4 fouls was insane. There is no questioning his ability or his heart.
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It was clear Vital desperately wanted to get the better of Cumberland today. You could see 4 years of frustration coming out.

He dominated him today. It was awesome to see.

(Bouk also took him to school multiple times which was also awesome).
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
For what it’s worth.

In 2017 Kenpom had Semi Ojelye as the POY and he won.
In 2018 Kenpom had Rob Gray. Gary Clark won (2nd in Kenpom)
In 2019 Kenpom had Cumberland and he won.

Relatively spot on with this stuff.
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Only hang up may be record. I don’t recall Cincinnati outperforming Houston too much to assure Clark’s award.
 
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Waquoit said:
Yeah, no.
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Revisionist history. Go compare their stats. Vital beats him in every single facet:

Three point %
FG%
Rebounding %
Steal %
Offensive efficiency
Offensive rating
True shooting %
FT %
 
Shine33 said:
You won't even debate or address any of my points. You make selective arguments and call it "hate" when others don't agree with you. This is why I made that very crazy post after Bouk went off against Tulsa. BC you just don't seem to get it. Was hoping that would be the nail in the coffin but you still won't stop w this crap
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Because this isn’t about Bouk. He’s a great player and he’s a better play maker than Vital. It’s about the trash that vital gets. I’m sure you’re SHOCKED that he’s considered the be the POY in The AAC by analytics right now.
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Jerome Dyson was a 2/3 year starter. Vital is better than Dyson.
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That wasn't that hard, you actually responded to what we were talking about instead of going off on a weird tangent. Dyson was the name I thought of too. Dyson was signifigantly more talented and they both play extremely hard. They were fairly similar players. Dyson as a junior I think would have clearly started over Vital. He was playing great ball and we were the best team in the country before he went down. His senior year he drove me nuts...

That was a way better era of UConn basketball and I think Vital will be more beloved than Dyson when it's all said and done because this era has been so bad and he stayed through it all and always gave it his all no matter what, so I don't really agree with Kemba's point.
 
Hope his teammates give him a nice going away present- NCAA,S.
 
in concerns to the late CV 3, we need him to be a guy who can put teams away with his 3 pt shooting if we’re ever going to have any legitimate success this year. he’s shown the ability to in patches, but he’s also shown the opposite. we lack shooters and options. you need multiple to end the year on a special note. and you can’t make em unless you take em. it was a good look.
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Because this isn’t about Bouk. He’s a great player and he’s a better play maker than Vital. It’s about the trash that vital gets. I’m sure you’re SHOCKED that he’s considered the be the POY in The AAC by analytics right now.
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Lol no actually I am not. Vital does a lot of great things and statistics will show that. Numbers don't account for alot of things though man. I mean let's be honest there are players on other teams (not just Bouknight from our team), that I would rather have making plays at the end of game for us if they were on our team. Collins at USF, Cumberland (offensively).

Vital isn't the best player in our conference by measures that Kenpom doesn't seem to look at. NBA scouts are the end all be all when it comes to evaluating and taking true talent Dave. BC they have big bucks $ on the line. That's what I go by. We saw what they said to him 2 yrs ago. Let's see after this season. I think I have an idea.
 
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