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doggydaddy said:
Based on the clues on the open board, their chat has it that Tennessee will get 6 of the top players in the 2013 class.
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LMAO! Que to "Purple Haze" by Jimmy. Maybe someone can sample this song and rename it "Orange/Powder Blue Haze"! What the heck are those folk smokin'?
 
Stray Cat said:
LMAO! Que to "Purple Haze" by Jimmy. Maybe someone can sample this song and rename it "Orange/Powder Blue Haze"! What the heck are those folk smokin'?
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Not Jimi - That's Dollywood country. Has to be Country & Western, like , I've Got Volun-tears In My Ears" or "Letters of Intent Arrived from 6 AAs, Which Meeting Should I Attend?" or "We Don't Know Jack, but we do know Jack Daniels."

Logical though, they'll get everyone DeMoss lined up, plus everyone Elzy will bring with her, plus Pat will be spending full time recruiting, plus with the JUCO players not committing, the top recruits will feel sorry for TN.
 
In theory, TN does have a good story to sell to recruits...a lot of playing time available, opportunity to bring TN back to its glory days, still have Pat around to mentor them, situation is stable now with Holly in-charge, etc...
 
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dtbtbtb said:
In theory, TN does have a good story to sell to recruits...a lot of playing time available, opportunity to bring TN back to its glory days, still have Pat around to mentor them, situation is stable now with Holly in-charge, etc...
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You make some valid points. But I think Tennessee is now on more level playing ground with schools like Kentucky and Louisville, who are competing for many of the same recruits.
 
doggydaddy said:
You make some valid points. But I think Tennessee is now on more level playing ground with schools like Kentucky and Louisville, who are competing for many of the same recruits.
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I'm not ready to concede that just yet.

Compared to UK and UofL, Tennessee has better facilites and a better track record of commitment to women's athletics. Pat stepping down is bound to knock our reputation down a little bit, but, as previously stated in this thread, the recruiters will spin this positively: "Come be a part of the new Tennessee tradition and get us back to the top of the sport."

Aside from Connecticut, no one even comes close to matching the support the Lady Vols continue to get. That support will not magically dissipate just because we haven't acheived much the last 4 years.

Bringing Elzy on board is key. Rumors are swirling that we are bringing in another great recruiter alongside her. With the right people in place, I don't see a reason we can't land 6 from 2013. We certainly have the room for them.

And, if we do land 6 kids, one could argue that it woud be one of the best hauls of all time. Of course, we thought that the 2008 class was the best at the time and that turned out to be...well...not true. Such is the game of recruiting, I suppose.
 
tennfanatic00 said:
I'm not ready to concede that just yet.

Compared to UK and UofL, Tennessee has better facilites and a better track record of commitment to women's athletics. Pat stepping down is bound to knock our reputation down a little bit, but, as previously stated in this thread, the recruiters will spin this positively: "Come be a part of the new Tennessee tradition and get us back to the top of the sport."

Aside from Connecticut, no one even comes close to matching the support the Lady Vols continue to get. That support will not magically dissipate just because we haven't acheived much the last 4 years.

Bringing Elzy on board is key. Rumors are swirling that we are bringing in another great recruiter alongside her. With the right people in place, I don't see a reason we can't land 6 from 2013. We certainly have the room for them.

And, if we do land 6 kids, one could argue that it woud be one of the best hauls of all time. Of course, we thought that the 2008 class was the best at the time and that turned out to be...well...not true. Such is the game of recruiting, I suppose.
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You are underestimating Louisville. Great coach and great facility. And great fans. Right behind Tennessee in attendance. And the Yum center is amazing. I believe a better facility than TBA.

I guess we will see if it was Pat or Tennessee that brought in the great players over the years.
 
doggydaddy said:
Based on the clues on the open board, their chat has it that Tennessee will get 6 of the top players in the 2013 class.
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I've found they don't know nearly as much as they let on. Right now we would just settle for ONE player.
 
doggydaddy said:
You are underestimating Louisville. Great coach and great facility. And great fans. Right behind Tennessee in attendance. And the Yum center is amazing. I believe a better facility than TBA.

I guess we will see if it was Pat or Tennessee that brought in the great players over the years.
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The YUM Center (name aside) is amazing. I've loved my trips there. However, the practice and the dorm faciliteis and Tennessee are much better than at Louisville. This is a direct result of having a great commitment to women's athletics. Jeff is a tremendous coach, and he is building up a great program there, but they are still a level below Tennessee. Closer than in years past, I'll concede, but still below. Kentucky doesn't even belong in the conversation IMO.

To touch on Darth's comment as well, Summitteers are very weary of spreading information they recieve via chat. Maria shares a lot of info to those who participate in chat only and does not want this information floating around. She gets information from knowledgable sources, and, in my experience, she's never been wrong. So most posters know quite a bit, but they don't feel comfortable sharing that info.
 
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tennfanatic00 said:
The YUM Center (name aside) is amazing. I've loved my trips there. However, the practice and the dorm faciliteis and Tennessee are much better than at Louisville. This is a direct result of having a great commitment to women's athletics. Jeff is a tremendous coach, and he is building up a great program there, but they are still a level below Tennessee. Closer than in years past, I'll concede, but still below. Kentucky doesn't even belong in the conversation IMO.

To touch on Darth's comment as well, Summitteers are very weary of spreading information they recieve via chat. Maria shares a lot of info to those who participate in chat only and does not want this information floating around. She gets information from knowledgable sources, and, in my experience, she's never been wrong. So most posters know quite a bit, but they don't feel comfortable sharing that info.
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What is the big secret? Has a player said they would committ and Maria knows about it? It's hard to believe.

The double secret society is just a little too much. It's college basketball, not the CIA. We are weary of it as well.
 
tennfanatic00 said:
To touch on Darth's comment as well, Summitteers are very weary of spreading information they recieve via chat.
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I trust you mean wary -- unless they've been spreading a lot more of it that we realize.
 
tennfanatic00 said:
I'm not ready to concede that just yet.

And, if we do land 6 kids, one could argue that it woud be one of the best hauls of all time. Of course, we thought that the 2008 class was the best at the time and that turned out to be...well...not true. Such is the game of recruiting, I suppose.
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I don't recall fans saying the 2008 class of 6 was the best ever. The best 6 Pack was the original group that included Candace and went on to win 2 titles. It was known that the 2nd 6 Pack included some tweeners that would need Vicki Baugh and Kelley Cain for the post with Cait McMahon for the point guard spot, all of whom were severely injured. The original 6 Pack was more balanced. The key is getting 6 players with balance from the point guard through the center.
 
pap49cba said:
Yep, it will make uconn's class this year look like a JV team.
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and don't forget that the 2013 class is "substantially" better than the 2012 class. :rolleyes:
 
ericsandiego said:
and don't forget that the 2013 class is "substantially" better than the 2012 class. :rolleyes:
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I do think it's deeper. But when you get 3 of the top 5 players, as UConn did, depth doesn't matter from our perspective.

I'm sure they are counting on Russell and her buddy Mavunga (supposed matched set), Greenwell, Deshields, Gray, Tucker.

Anyone else listing Tennessee?
 
tennfanatic00 said:
I'm not ready to concede that just yet.

Compared to UK and UofL, Tennessee has better facilites and a better track record of commitment to women's athletics. Pat stepping down is bound to knock our reputation down a little bit, but, as previously stated in this thread, the recruiters will spin this positively: "Come be a part of the new Tennessee tradition and get us back to the top of the sport."

Aside from Connecticut, no one even comes close to matching the support the Lady Vols continue to get. That support will not magically dissipate just because we haven't acheived much the last 4 years.

Bringing Elzy on board is key. Rumors are swirling that we are bringing in another great recruiter alongside her. With the right people in place, I don't see a reason we can't land 6 from 2013. We certainly have the room for them.

And, if we do land 6 kids, one could argue that it woud be one of the best hauls of all time. Of course, we thought that the 2008 class was the best at the time and that turned out to be...well...not true. Such is the game of recruiting, I suppose.
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It's common in fandom to be enthusiastic beyond reality. Look at how many people buy lottery tickets. We often hear comments from Vols referring to what was and relating it to the future. But, like your broker tells you, past performance is no guarantee of future results.

Take track record for commitment to women's athletics for instance. Do you think it would have developed if TN didn't have Pat for all those years. Isn't it more likely that, without Pat, things would have developed like the rest of the schools in the SEC? If you accept that premise, on what basis will support remain at a high level in Pat's absence? TN is already pegged to decline to perhaps as low as 4th place in the conference. If that happens, or worse, how long will support last? Fans like the feel good of being a fan of a winning team. When the team is no longer winning, support wanes. And, it seems as though TN fans are already concerned about the Athletic Director's commitment to women's sports.

Before Pat announced her illness (last year), wasn't fan support waning? This year Pat's situation did much to revive interest in the Lady Vols. I don't think you can point to this year's interest and extrapolate that into the future. We'll have to see what happens.

I think the consensus is that Elzy was a good move. But, looking into the future, is it a good idea to have 6 graduating seniors in one year? Also, if you do get 6 great recruits, how many of them will play next year, and what about the remaining 3 years. Uconn fans are worried about a class of 3 great recruits and it's impact on future recruiting. Imagine those recruits thinking about having to compete every day with 5 great players with none of them graduating in time to give you your chance in the limelight?

I think next year will be an interesting year, but I'm not buying one of the lottery tickets you're selling.
 
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doggydaddy said:
I do think it's deeper. But when you get 3 of the top 5 players, as UConn did, depth doesn't matter from our perspective.

I'm sure they are counting on Russell and her buddy Mavunga (supposed matched set), Greenwell, Deshields, Gray, Tucker.

Anyone else listing Tennessee?
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don't disagree, but if UCONN lands the #1 and/or #2 player in 3 or 4 classes like they have done, it won't matter if "School B" lands the 5,7,and 9th rated players in each of those classes. IMHO it's why landing players like KML, Morgan, Moriah and Breanna. Even going back a bit, Maya, Tina, a healthy Vicki Baugh, Tina, Candace, etc.

Usually the top 2-3 players in a class are a notch above the rest of the top 10. and when (it's totally unfair) a school like UCONN stockpiles a cadre of the top 2-3 kids in several consecutive classes (Duke is the only other team currently who comes close with E Will, Chelsey Grey and Alexis Jones), it won't matter if other teams get a couple other top 10 kids, even more in numbers, cuz you can only play 5 kids at a time anyway...
 
Elsewhere here on the Boneyard is a thread about Charlie Creme's evaluation of teams for the upcoming season.

He should have gone a bit further and added a comment about fans. Something like, "There remains an element of fans of UConn and the LadyVols who remain obsessed with one another's team."
 
Bestiarius said:
Before Pat announced her illness (last year), wasn't fan support waning? This year Pat's situation did much to revive interest in the Lady Vols. I don't think you can point to this year's interest and extrapolate that into the future. We'll have to see what happens.
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Actually, both TN and UConn's fans support went down according the the attendance numbers. I also think attendance was hampered by the economy and the aging fan bases. It's imperitive for all of WCBB that programs do a better job of drawing students to support the programs, because each fan base is suffering from attrition due to economy and age. I also didn't realize that Louisville leap frogged into the #2 spot with attendance. Considering UConn was in the running for the title in 2011, I was shocked to see that the Cardinals they had better fan support. Iowa State finished off this past season at #3. Interesting that fan support is not a direct correlation to results on the court. In addition, even with Pat's announcement, the number of fans in the seats did not reach the same numbers as the Candace Parker era. The economy and loss of long time supporters due to age has definitely had it's impact.
 
Kibitzer said:
Elsewhere here on the Boneyard is a thread about Charlie Creme's evaluation of teams for the upcoming season.

He should have gone a bit further and added a comment about fans. Something like, "There remains an element of fans of UConn and the LadyVols who remain obsessed with one another's team."
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and would you say the Red Sox and Yankees fans are obsessed with each other? how about Duke men and UNC men? Lakers and Celtics? Barcelona and Madrid?

i do get that fans sometimes roll their eyes when other fans post a lot of tennessee stuff, and some think we shouldn't talk about it as much, but they are historically the best team in WCBB, and probably UCONN's most hated rival, at least for most fans.
 
Justavisitor said:
The key is getting 6 players with balance from the point guard through the center.
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Wouldn't the key be to keeping all the players? When coaches sign huge classes, they take the risk that they're going to lose someone due to decreased available playing time and the fact that the time may not increase for the player's entire four years. With teams that sign smaller classes, at least the underclassmen know that 3 or 4 players are going to graduate at the end of the year and possibly open up a slot for them.
 
tennfanatic00 said:
The YUM Center (name aside) is amazing. I've loved my trips there. However, the practice and the dorm faciliteis and Tennessee are much better than at Louisville. This is a direct result of having a great commitment to women's athletics. Jeff is a tremendous coach, and he is building up a great program there, but they are still a level below Tennessee. Closer than in years past, I'll concede, but still below. Kentucky doesn't even belong in the conversation IMO.

To touch on Darth's comment as well, Summitteers are very weary of spreading information they recieve via chat. Maria shares a lot of info to those who participate in chat only and does not want this information floating around. She gets information from knowledgable sources, and, in my experience, she's never been wrong. So most posters know quite a bit, but they don't feel comfortable sharing that info.
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Maria's never been wrong? I don't know what she says in chat, but I thought she was pretty positive about getting some JC help, and we know how that turned out.
 
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JS said:
I trust you mean wary -- unless they've been spreading a lot more of it that we realize.
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That's JS - I see this a lot (have been guilty of it myself more than once).
 
speedoo said:
Maria's never been wrong? I don't know what she says in chat, but I thought she was pretty positive about getting some JC help, and we know how that turned out.
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I said that, in my experience, she's never been wrong. Meaning that everything I persoanlly have heard her speak (or saw in print) has turned out to be true. She's not one for wild, baseless speculation.
 
speedoo said:
Maria's never been wrong? I don't know what she says in chat, but I thought she was pretty positive about getting some JC help, and we know how that turned out.
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I don't think she knew that Davis was going to recind on her verbal.
 
tennfanatic00 said:
I said that, in my experience, she's never been wrong. Meaning that everything I persoanlly have heard her speak (or saw in print) has turned out to be true. She's not one for wild, baseless speculation.
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So you missed her saying that TN would get a JC player before they turned TN down? Oh, and calling the FBI on a poor Boneyarder?
 
ericsandiego said:
and would you say the Red Sox and Yankees fans are obsessed with each other? how about Duke men and UNC men? Lakers and Celtics? Barcelona and Madrid?
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Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Also Williams and Amherst. Lehigh and Lafayette. Harvard and Yale. All Texas teams.

The difference? We have The Summitt and the Boneyard and they don't.
 
tennfanatic00 said:
I said that, in my experience, she's never been wrong. Meaning that everything I persoanlly have heard her speak (or saw in print) has turned out to be true. She's not one for wild, baseless speculation.
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Never been wrong? Seriously? In my experience she knows very little other than the propaganda crap she feeds to all the sheep at the summitt. How about those JUCO's that were coming? Oops. We didn't want them anyway because the 2013 is so awesome. And we all know the players weren't distracted at all by the Pat situation last season..... :rolleyes:
 
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