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Surely there can't be any state school around the country that underperforms as badly as UMass given the expectations of being the flagship of a highly populated and prominent state, can there?

I mean like the Wyomings, Montanas, and Idahos of the country are more renowned athletically than UMass
 
They truly have no good options is correct. So they took the one where less people will care and the MAC will be more of a disaster than what was there previously. They might as well be CCSU, Sacred Heart or Bryant at this point. UMass hasn’t even sniffed a bowl game this century. Totally gone and it’s too bad. The Mullins Center shouldn’t be used for basketball anymore and their high school football stadium will be 1/4 for MAC football, even less than that on their upcoming weeknight November MACtion games. Waste of time to pour money into football or any sport there now except hockey
I think this is part of the problem as this is how UMass feels but still remembers the Cal/camby glory days. They want success but aren’t willing to put in the effort or enough support. Hockey got lucky with a coach change and star player that remained committed. They filled the Mullins.
 
You are right on hockey Bongo. But hockey plays at highest level in the best league against regional rivals. Hockey East is probably the best collegiate conference in any sport due to quality of play and location of schools. As I mentioned earlier, the UMass fans that remember the glory days aren’t going to follow them to the MAC and new/younger prospective fans won’t start following in droves because it’s the MAC and no one cares.
 
UMass is taking an enormous gamble on the notion that a D1 school that fields a football program that competes at an FBS level will be further up the hierarchy of intercollegiate sports than schools that field an FCS program or no football.

They may be correct, but it may be merely owning Vermont Avenue instead of owning Baltic Avenue in the grand scheme of things.
 
UMass is not taking a gamble. UMass looked at the landscape and then the future of that landscape and tried make the least worst decision they could.

The MAC has a greater chance of surviving the apocalypse than an independent UMass would have.
 
It isn't a question of MAC for all sports or independence for football as the only options. Remaining in the A-10 and returning football to FCS also could have been part of the equation.

Granted of the three, football independence was entirely unsustainable. Where the decisions needed to be weighed were abandoning FBS football and maintaining their A10 rivalries vs attempting to build rivalries (and fan interest) from nothing by joining the MAC.

As the choices are basically spoiled milk or month old bread, they may as well see where this takes them.
 
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It isn't a question of MAC for all sports or independence for football as the only options. Remaining in the A-10 and returning football to FCS also could have been part of the equation.

Granted of the three, football independence was entirely unsustainable. Where the decisions needed to be weighed were abandoning FBS football and maintaining their A10 rivalries vs attempting to build rivalries (and fan interest) from nothing by joining the MAC.

As the choices are basically spoiled milk or month old bread, they may as well see where this takes them.
Exactly. UMass is basically where we would have been, if we upgraded, but remained at Memorial. It's a losing hand all around. They have invested like FCS, so that's where they belong.

The MAC isn't exactly spectacular either - the basketball product is several steps down from the A10, and their bell cow of B1G buy games for football is about to get a 33% reduction, if not more.

Add in the geography, and it's not the best choice.
 
UMass is taking an enormous gamble on the notion that a D1 school that fields a football program that competes at an FBS level will be further up the hierarchy of intercollegiate sports than schools that field an FCS program or no football.

They may be correct, but it may be merely owning Vermont Avenue instead of owning Baltic Avenue in the grand scheme of things.
I get your point but whether you are P4 or G6, those programs are by definition higher up the hierarchy than FCS programs. They are all on the Monopoly board whether they are on Connecticut Avenue or Park Place, or in Jail.

I think UMass's long play is to build a successful football program and better ride the waves of CR, garnering an invitation to the AAC or perhaps riding an expanded or merged MAC conference. Wherever it goes, UMass has a seat for now.

For those holding on to the glory years when UMass basketball was actually good and winning the conference (1991-1995), here is the A-10 lineup. Brought to you by CR: the 5 large "northeastern" FBS state schools from the A-10 are all in 5 different FBS conferences. They shredded the northeast and I think we all know a unified northeast would be better for all.

UMass
Temple
Rutgers
WVU

GW
Saint Joe's
Saint Bonnie
Duquesne
URI

Then in 1996 added the below and lost Rutgers and WVU
Fordham
Va Tech
Xavier

Dayton
La Salle
 
Football drives the bus.

UMass is so pathetic they should drop to D3.
Listen, teams like North Central and Mount Union might be able to beat UMass. Those WIAC teams are no joke either. If I was UMass I would stop playing FBS football. They are like many who will never get the call up to the P4. At this point they have destroyed generations of fans and have only hockey left to cheer on.
 
Listen, teams like North Central and Mount Union might be able to beat UMass. Those WIAC teams are no joke either. If I was UMass I would stop playing FBS football. They are like many who will never get the call up to the P4. At this point they have destroyed generations of fans and have only hockey left to cheer on.

I watched them for a few minutes this season. Their QB was last season's Yale backup QB. They actually went to the portal to get that guy.
 
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UMass is where we were before Mora got here. Gotta get a competent guy in there. Maybe Harrsimiyak is that guy, maybe he ain't, but that guy Bamford is definitely not it. Moving on from that guy is step 1.
 
UMass is not taking a gamble. UMass looked at the landscape and then the future of that landscape and tried make the least worst decision they could.

The MAC has a greater chance of surviving the apocalypse than an independent UMass would have.
Yup. From an alum I talked to it seems like the plan is to stabilize and then win at football in the MAC and then look for an escape to the AAC. Remember, the AAC has Army/Temple/Navy so UMass could be a fit. And, don't forget that UMass had I-AA football success from 1998 to 2008 when they won a championship and lost in the championship game another year.
 
UMass is where we were before Mora got here. Gotta get a competent guy in there. Maybe Harrsimiyak is that guy, maybe he ain't, but that guy Bamford is definitely not it. Moving on from that guy is step 1.
They don't have the facilities we have/had at that time. The infrastructure and the money are far behind when Mora took over.
 

"When you have to remind fans that you're a flagship, put it on a cup!"

How about the Milton Swingline to Boston Stapler

 
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I get your point but whether you are P4 or G6, those programs are by definition higher up the hierarchy than FCS programs. They are all on the Monopoly board whether they are on Connecticut Avenue or Park Place, or in Jail.

I have a difficult time believing that Troy or Louisiana Tech are higher up than Villanova.

Leaving the A-10 became a far easier decision for UMass as their basketball program basically fell off the map this millennium, but if they had some reasonable success, the choice (leaving a number of longtime rivals to join a lesser basketball conference) would have been a difficult sell.

If they can't build the football program to at least the point where they are more often than not .500 in conference play and consistently sit in the top third of the conference in men's basketball, it will be very difficult to view the move as a success.
 
I have a difficult time believing that Troy or Louisiana Tech are higher up than Villanova.

Leaving the A-10 became a far easier decision for UMass as their basketball program basically fell off the map this millennium, but if they had some reasonable success, the choice (leaving a number of longtime rivals to join a lesser basketball conference) would have been a difficult sell.

If they can't build the football program to at least the point where they are more often than not .500 in conference play and consistently sit in the top third of the conference in men's basketball, it will be very difficult to view the move as a success.
You are probably right and the Big East and Villanova in particular are the exceptions. Even with UMass falling off, it was still a difficult decision but I don't think the A-10 will ever be what it once was. Even the Big East may be at risk but that's a different debate. At least with FBS football the programs are part of the discussion.

Agreed, UMass has to improve or it will be viewed as a failure. It seems something very significant has to change up there for it to get better. Like landing a Jim Mora (in my opinion) and Jim Calhoun at the same time significant.
 
There is no Jim Mora out there willing to work with those facilities
 
When you kickoff a rivalry, you are fabricating one. Rivalries start after years of playing. Animosity is created organically with close wins and losses and fanbases needling each other. This could be as bad as Bob Diaco's ConFlict!!
 
When you kickoff a rivalry, you are fabricating one. Rivalries start after years of playing. Animosity is created organically with close wins and losses and fanbases needling each other. This could be as bad as Bob Diaco's ConFlict!!
Will it be in NCAA Football 2027 like the ConFlict though...
 
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Jim Mora came here because he was familiar with the program and saw the tremendous unfulfilled potential.

UMass doesn’t have that yet.
 
When you kickoff a rivalry, you are fabricating one. Rivalries start after years of playing. Animosity is created organically with close wins and losses and fanbases needling each other. This could be as bad as Bob Diaco's ConFlict!!

The ConFlict thing was a great idea, poorly timed and poorly executed.

Had UConn won out and found a conference that would have shut the pie holes of the loudest people here, it would be thought of as a stroke of genius.
 
There is no Jim Mora out there willing to work with those facilities
There is no way for anyone to know that. Harasymiak coulda probably gotten a better job had he waited. The facilities argument is so overplayed. It's about finding the right guy. Lance Leipold was a winner at the D3 level and Buffalo was the only one who gave him a shot when he was older. Cignetti didn't get an FBS HC gig til 60. Mora was a guy anyone coulda hired when he came here. UMass more than anything, has to get rid of Bamford. His track record on hiring coaches speaks for itself.
 
There is no way for anyone to know that. Harasymiak coulda probably gotten a better job had he waited. The facilities argument is so overplayed. It's about finding the right guy. Lance Leipold was a winner at the D3 level and Buffalo was the only one who gave him a shot when he was older. Cignetti didn't get an FBS HC gig til 60. Mora was a guy anyone coulda hired when he came here. UMass more than anything, has to get rid of Bamford. His track record on hiring coaches speaks for itself.
Harasymiak had one good season as HC at Maine. He was not a good hire imo, but I doubt UMass had many choices

I think they should've kept Don Brown for at least the inaugural MAC season. He got UMass to put up 20 pts on Georgia right around the time he was let go
 
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There is no way for anyone to know that. Harasymiak coulda probably gotten a better job had he waited. The facilities argument is so overplayed. It's about finding the right guy. Lance Leipold was a winner at the D3 level and Buffalo was the only one who gave him a shot when he was older. Cignetti didn't get an FBS HC gig til 60. Mora was a guy anyone coulda hired when he came here. UMass more than anything, has to get rid of Bamford. His track record on hiring coaches speaks for itself.
Agreed. UConn Basketball played in the Hugh S. Greer Field House when Jim Calhoun came here and said, "It's doable." Finding THE guy is not easy but UMass has to find the right people to turn things around. Very difficult, yes, but not impossible.

 
The Calhoun comparison isnt even close. He said it's doable because UConn was playing in the best hoops conference in the country and while they were playing some games in Greer, Gampel was already planned but hadn't been built yet. UMass isnt playing in a great football league and has a dump for a stadium with nothing new planned. Add to it that football is tons more difficult to improve than college basketball, and the northeast just doesnt support college football, It will be at least a decade before UMass gets any traction and they've already aliened all but a handful of their died hard fans. It's all hopes and wishes at this point for UMass with very little chance of anything coming of this
 
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