UCONN vs. ND post game Thread (merged thread)

[Cecil9]

Do you have a specific example or this just a general complaint?

Why do people look for things to complain about?

Schadenfreude, and bad news is what sells newspapers. It's a human thing

 

[Ron and Vida]

Miles is very talented but seems to make some poor decisions at times and needs to improve her shooting but she is definitely an elite driver and clever passer.. Citron is Gold. Probably wont score enough to get FOY consideration especially coming off the bench but she does everything well.

Time is on her side
The Rolling Stones say so so it must be true

 

[CTBballfan243]

Not when Azzie returns and hits her threes

Azzi will not be back for the next 3 games.

 

[Ron and Vida]

It is refreshing to read your post, especially the last point. We here on the BY have to the most SPOILED fanbase in all of WBB. I sometimes gringe at the posts people write following a loss or lackluster win (often less than double digit). I thought joining this forum would allow me to increase and share my fandom, get enlightened, and SUPPORT the team. Many times I have tuned out because of the negativity and overall unreasonableness of many BYers. We forget that these are STUDENT athletes, not professionals, and are between 18-22 years old. Most of us, if not all, could NEVER do what they do, yet many of us often speak as if we are the second coming of James Naismith. There young women all have been the best on their H.S. teams and want to do their best, no matter how it looks to us. I have personally watched all 11 NC games and look forward to #12, but, if the team does not win another N.C., I am sure going to enjoy the greatest run in men or woman's College BB. As MM once said in her press conference (about Geno), we have lost some of the civility on the BY regarding what its purpose is and many have become so spoiled that NOTHING short of a Natty will suffice. Let's pray for Paige's health, but if she is out for the foreseeable future, it's next woman up! I will enjoy this season no matter what the results!

Amen

 

[Skeets]

I don’t think I’ve seen an injury happen like that in a game. Hopefully she’s alright. It looked more like an ankle or hyperextension, but the knee kinda buckling made it look worse.

Ducharme was really fun to watch in the fourth. Looks like Geno might have another scorer.

Hmmm, reminded me of Sales Achilles ankle tear. Another no contact injury.

 

[Martin]

In retrospect of course not.

My opinion hasn't changed. I don't presume to have the certainty of outcomes you seem to have about unpredictable events. This was not a situation where a player was hurt earlier in the game, demonstrated pain and a coach insisted she get back in the game and play through an injury causing more damage. In that situation I most certainly would hold a coach accountable.

If your trying to garner support to put blame on Geno by making me think about the consequences of upcoming games it won't work. My attention is to Paige and a speedy recovery. Hopefully the rest of the team steps up in the absence of Azzi and Paige.

There are times for recrimination. This is not one of those times for me. But have at Charliebball.

I think she got hurt at the 6:27 mark, 4th quarter. Fast forward the replay.

 

[Bigboote]

The Notre Dame 2-3 zone gave us loads of trouble. ND is not a very athletic team, but they are smart and they play the passing lanes well. We did a lot of passing around the perimeter. And a lot of ill advised passes. I have never thought that even the best UConn teams feed the post well, but this was something else again. Inexplicable passes. We should have been ahead by more going into the fourth quarter.

Something that hadn't occurred to me is that, while Geno may not be the best at in-game adjustments, he is a great teacher, and if UConn sees another defense like this, there will be a huge improvement.

You can bet the team will spend some hours in the modern equivalent of the film room over the next few days. Paige will be right there with them telling Nika, Evina, and Christyn where the seams are and how to exploit them.

 

[HopJim]

• Paige - She's so underrated on the defensive end, especially her anticipation. Just crafty and so smart in so many different situations. Hope that she is ok, you never like to see any kid suffer through injury. Perhaps a reminder that we do have bench players, and there's no way they can blow a 20 point lead in two minutes. That's a good time to use them.
• ONO- I thought she played a good game overall, save for the fouls. When we play undersized teams, there is no reason she shouldn't have a double double like this evening.
• Ducharme- the highlight of the day for me. She's so long and agile, and has the shooting to keep defenses honest. Even though she didn't score until Q4, we went on a run with her in the game at the end of the first half. I thought her presence opened the floor and created opportunities for others. I most like that she is aggressive and moves with purpose on offense. A lot of our older players seem more comfortable hanging around the outside and passing the ball back and forth until Paige creates something. You could visibly see how Paige's intentions shifted when a second offensive threat emerged in Q4.

Overall, not the breakout performance I would have hoped for, but it did feel like a step in the right direction. A quality win against a legitimate top 20 team. Now the focus shifts to hoping Paige is ok.

Good assessment. Ducharme is constant movement. While still confused why UConn's offense to always seems to start 30+ feet from the key, with Geno complaining about the flow, she is one possible answer. One other teams understand her abilty to drive, there will be less pressure on the 3 point shooters.

 

[HopJim]

I'd rather have Citron than Miles

Haven't seen the appropriate post to say this, but kudos to Notre Dame for a good job of recruiting and a solid coaching job. Seem them as a top 10 team next year.

 

[HopJim]

Geno should not have had Paige in the game because you never know when one of those freak injuries will occur from literally dribbling the ball up the court. SMH

I have never held coaches responsible for taking starters out of games. I don't know how you can hold a coach responsible for being defensive and anticipating injuries. I do have an issue with not putting subs in to get them more experience. I would be upset if I had busted tail at practice and couldn't even get a few minutes when the team was up 20.

 

[jdote33]

I recorded the game and watched it as soon as I got home. Pretty proud of myself for not logging onto twitter or espn, so I had no clue what happened.

Initial thoughts

-Obviously prayers up for Paige. Honestly, I'm kind of gutted for her. I'm pretty bummed tbh.

- Liv was really good all game, but especially in the first half. I thought the matchup with Dodson was going to be a tough one but she used her size and her strength to grab rebounds and score. I've always liked Liv. She averaged like 12 and 8 last year, which means even if he shed a handful of unproductive games, she has others which usually balances it out. I really only just worry about the fouls with her. But she really is a good defender, and her strength is inside.

- I like CW and EW but I was hoping for more production out of them. It felt like the zone really took CW out of an offensive flow. She did make a couple of nice passes, but overall I was hoping she'd be more effective offensively. EW also did not look great but I think foul trouble played a role in her lack of productivity.

NM- I been a fan. I just think she needs minutes. She's going to brick some shots, but overall she's typically going to have a positive impact on the team. I'm not sure if we saw her a lot in the second half, but in the first half her threes were huge. She did have some tough turnovers, but overall I liked the way she played.

AE and Dorka - Both players played hard... I think early in this season for both of them, the unforced turnovers really stick out. But I will say, they held Westbeild and Brunelle in check, and I was a bit worried about that because they both are really mobile and skilled. I'd like to see Dorka finish a little bit better.

Caroline - It was really good to see her thrive in her playing time. I think in the first half when she got in, she had a turnover on her first play. I thought it was going to be de ja vu. However, in the second half she made a ton of shots, particularly in the 4th quarter. I feel like she's super aggressive, and almost moving a bit too fast. Like as soon as she gets the ball she's ready to shoot or attack, which I really can't decide whether its a good thing or not. She had 9 shots in 14 minutes, CW had 8 shots in 33 minutes.

PB- She was great. She's going to become public enemy number one, like J.J Redick back in the day cuz of her intensity and getting so hyped but I love it. The fullcourt pass to CW at the end of the half was ridiculous. She also had some like push shots in the lane that kind of look easy but were so tough. She did have two turnovers to start the game, but overall just a classic Paige performance. Tbh, I was a bit worried with all the legends in the building and it being the first game at Gampel, that she may not be ready for the moment but she was super solid.

Overall I thought it was a good team win. They've sort've struggled all season turning small leads to big one's and they were able to in the 4th. They have a tough week coming up. I'll be at the game Saturday but even on the road vs GT, who had a big time win today, will be tough.

ooo just wanted to add one last note on ND. Citron is who I thought she was. May be the best freshman in the country. Miles is also who I thought she was, good, and will probably become great. Was disappointed in their bigs. However, sort of like the moral victory that our team could take from staying with SC for 3 quarters, for a young team on the road to basically hang with UConn for 3 quarters is impressive. I don't think they played all that well but they competed the whole game.

 

[Skeets]

Always a tough day for me because I am both a UCONN and ND fan. Very happy for the win, worried about Paige, and concerned about so many Husky turnovers.
I think ND has the potential to become pretty good. Don’t sleep on them.
All in all, great win.

Is that like liking both the Red Sucks and the Yankees? I cannot comprehend this...

 

[Bigboote]

Bleech. I've had 2 you-know-whats and when the doc wanted to do a Lachman test years after surgery after I landed on my kneecap, but I stiffened up so much in prep for the VERY icky feeling if something was wrong so it took him a bit to convince me to relax. All was good, but still, it's gross.

I hate those medical tests when the scale is how loud you scream. I've had mercifully few. I had to look up the Lachman test -- I think that exceeds anything I've had -- but have had both a knee and ankle prodded resulting in noises from me that I'm sure were heard in other parts of the building.

 

[Ron and Vida]

Some thoughts on the Notre Dame game:

• National rivalry games are great for WBB. So it’s good to see ND build their program back after a couple down years. It makes it even better when you can celebrate a “W” over the Irish by slamming the door in the 4th qtr.
• Nice to see some UConn Royalty at the game today. Sue and Megan looked great. Wondering if Sue might persuade Megan to change her hair color from violet to Husky blue?
• Liv played great today at both ends of the court with a double-double against a pretty tough Big in Dodson. That's exactly what UConn needs from Liv.
• The TD pass just before the half had me doing my maximum vertical at approximately 14 centimeters.
• Another solid defensive effort. UConn held ND to 30% shooting, the second game in a row for the Huskies.
• Obviously, UConn needs a little work attacking a zone defense.
• Wasn't it great to see Caroline knock down several shot, including her first 3's as a Husky? She made a giant stride today.
• Clutching my chest when Dodson ran over Paige like a freight train, and then Dara Mabry's flying elbow into her face. In Mabry's case I guess it's just a family tradition.
• The injury to Paige looked to me like a hyperextension. Praying for good news now,
• One last thought. In the last day several thoughtful BY’ers posted comments lamenting the growing negativity on the BY. As a result, I’ve done some soul searching, as I hope all of us will do. I love everything about UConn WBB, and I feel strongly that the team and coaches deserve our support. As of today, I will strive to be guided by one single principle, “Would I post a similar thought about my own child?” If not, then I will be guided by the sage advice of Herm Edwards to “DON’T HIT SEND!” I urge everyone else on the BY to consider doing the same.

 

[Ron and Vida]

Old dude
I’ve lost count of the posts I’ve read today but your post iin bold type
hit the the nail on the head. We are so privileged to follow the growth of the Uconn girls that sometimes we lose track of the fact that win or lose they are playing their hearts out and deserve our support

 

[FormerCTrez]

Some thoughts on the Notre Dame game:

• National rivalry games are great for WBB. So it’s good to see ND build their program back after a couple down years. It makes it even better when you can celebrate a “W” over the Irish by slamming the door in the 4th qtr.
• Nice to see some UConn Royalty at the game today. Sue and Megan looked great. Wondering if Sue might persuade Megan to change her hair color from violet to Husky blue?
• Liv played great today at both ends of the court with a double-double against a pretty tough Big in Dodson. That's exactly what UConn needs from Liv.
• The TD pass just before the half had me doing my maximum vertical at approximately 14 centimeters.
• Another solid defensive effort. UConn held ND to 30% shooting, the second game in a row for the Huskies.
• Obviously, UConn needs a little work attacking a zone defense.
• Wasn't it great to see Caroline knock down several shot, including her first 3's as a Husky? She made a giant stride today.
• Clutching my chest when Dodson ran over Paige like a freight train, and then Dara Mabry's flying elbow into her face. In Mabry's case I guess it's just a family tradition.
• The injury to Paige looked to me like a hyperextension. Praying for good news now,
• One last thought. In the last day several thoughtful BY’ers posted comments lamenting the growing negativity on the BY. As a result, I’ve done some soul searching, as I hope all of us will do. I love everything about UConn WBB, and I feel strongly that the team and coaches deserve our support. As of today, I will strive to be guided by one single principle, “Would I post a similar thought about my own child?” If not, then I will be guided by the sage advice of Herm Edwards to “DON’T HIT SEND!” I urge everyone else on the BY to consider doing the same.

Oldies, thank you for your post, especially the last paragraph. Have a good night.

 

[FormerCTrez]

Oldies, thank you for your post, especially the last paragraph. Have a good night.

“Oldude”, that’s what I wrote. This darn iPad likes to incorrectly correct my spelling.

 

[JoePgh]

I hope this game silences the "Olivia is SOFT!" crowd. They formed an impression of her when she was a freshman and have not adjusted it despite ample evidence (including today's game) that it no longer applies to her.

 

[oldude]

“Oldude”, that’s what I wrote. This darn iPad likes to incorrectly correct my spelling.

You can call me anything but late for dinner.

 

[browns]

She wouldn’t have hurt it if she was where she belonged with 40 seconds left …. On the bench.

Could have just as easy hurt it walking to the bench

 

[browns]

A player determining when she leaves the game? That reply makes me wonder if it’s time to start talking about the next head coach.

Really?

 

[browns]

I just got home (not from the game) and thought I'd read through this thread before watching the game. Early in this thread I saw th box score and what stood out to me was that AE had zero rebounds! I was shocked after reading down to this point in the thread that no one has commented on that. I'm hoping the post is incorrect, because after her improvement in the SH game I expected her to revert to last-years-AE on the boards.

No you saw right..beside Paige getting hurt the 2 glaring negatives for the game was AE basically absent again and all the to's

 

[JoePgh]

No you saw right..beside Paige getting hurt the 2 glaring negatives for the game was AE basically absent again and all the to's

So her 10 points don't count to register her presence? That is more than either of the Notre Dame bigs (Dodson and Westbeld) scored. And Aaliyah scored those points in just 22 minutes, while Dodson and Westbeld played 36 and 30 minutes respectively.

And having only 2 fouls in 22 minutes, despite foul trouble being an issue for her since she has been at UConn? Doesn't she get credit for that? Does she get any credit for the fact that Notre Dame's inside scoring was pretty insignificant?

The lack of rebounding by AE is disappointing, but the team rebounding for UConn was very good. I think you are looking for reasons to find fault with her. Remember, she had 7 rebounds, including 3 offensive rebounds, just 36 hours previously against Seton Hall.

By the way, you forgot to complain about Dorka's zero points today. You must be going soft.

 

[RegisteredUconn]

She didn’t hurt it going to the sidelines. She hurt it in the game that they were up by 18 points with 40 seconds to go in the game. Players don’t substitute themselves. Of course this is on Geno. Totally ridiculous to have Paige in there at that point.

I'm confused by this line of reasoning. First, let me state that I know next to nothing about knee injuries or their causes but from what I read here, injuries such as Paige suffered had nothing to do with her playing basketball. It was simply an injury that happened during a basketball game. I'm told such injuries can happen walking to class. It occurred simply because Paige was "active." What if Geno had said, "Gotta get her out," and she hurts the knee trotting to the sidelines? Would you have said, "What was Geno thinking? Kid suffers a "knee" cause that idiot pulled her. Shoulda left her in." Players on the sidelines can get pretty boisterous celebrating a great play by a sub. Injuries are suffered on and off the court, during games and during practice. What if Paige gets injured in the last minute of practice? Are you going to blame Geno? What was he doing having her still on the court? There was only a minute left. She should have been in the shower already. Wait a minute! Most home injuries occur in the bathroom. OK, no more showers! Oh, and no more going to class either. I know, lets bubble wrap Paige before the game.

 

[CocoHusky]

@Orangutan there are lies and then there are damn lies and then there was that.

 

[sun]

I posted in the thread about Nika that putting her in as a sub would at least reduce wear & tear on other players.
If I can see that as a layperson, then why doesn't Geno see it and act to prevent it?
Even though he may be somewhat insensitive about protecting his star players, his negligence is only a secondary or contributing factor to Paige's injury.

Paige doesn't know how to take her foot off the gas when she's on the court.
Even though most folks don't want to say anything, it's pretty obvious.
In more than one game this season she was repeatedly falling /tripping all over the place.
Whether it's due to being overheated, or by going too fast and trying to do too much, she needs to slow herself down sometimes.
For some the game goes too fast, but for her the game goes too slow, and she needs to slow down a little bit.
It leads to mistakes like turnovers, errant passes and now an injury.
So she does need to accept the primary blame for her own injury.

But hopefully this dark cloud has a silver lining.
Maybe she'll learn to slow down a little, make less mistakes, and Geno and the team can make a more concerted effort to learn how to get along without her.
That's necessary because every player is only one play away from injury at any time and needing to be replaced.
Getting injured was bound to happen eventually.
I've been worried more than once when she's been bowled over and her head received a sharp crack when it hit the floor.
And I don't see the NCAA checking for concussions, maybe they do, maybe they don't, IDK.
The fans love watching Paige play so much, and the team needs her.
But it's Geno's job to coach her and let her know how she can reduce her own mistakes and how to avoid some of the risks of injury by slowing down at times.

I've seen reckless players get injured in both professional and amateur sports making great plays.
But they're often plays that weren't worth the extent of the injuries that resulted which can boil down to poor judgment.
I'm not saying that she's reckless.
However, accidental injuries tend to happen when people take unnecessary risks for little gain compared to their costs in bodily harm.
Even in this case, there could have been another player nearby to pass the ball to without Paige trying to make a sudden move.
Sure it was an accident.
She could have been pulled from the game but wasn't.
She didn't really need to make a sudden start.
She could have been a little more careful.
And I'm sure that some folks will take this post the wrong way because Paige is being criticized.
But this is one of her lessons to learn and not mine.
And Geno could also learn by being more protective & sensitive to the needs of his star players.

 

[Ardenque]

Usually in a game like this he'll get most of them out, among other more important reasons, for the fans. But not all the starters as he frequently has other agendas.

In this case I think one: he knows the fans' standing ovation wouldn't have been any big a deal to Paige and two: he was using the late game partly as a reward and teaching opportunity for Ducharme and wanted her to have competent support rather than garbage time. Among my viewing group there was discussion about 3 minutes before the end as to why a battered Bueckers would still be in there, but on reflection I think these were possibly good reasons, and Geno is smarter about basketball than I am.

Geno is not God.
Geno is a human being.
Geno makes mistakes.

 

[HuskyNan]

This argument is getting nasty. Try to act like adults