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UConn to Big XII Imminent?

bendm said:
gonzaga says hello. theyve been a top 10 program for the last 30 years even though they play in the midmajor WCC where maybe 2 teams get into the tourney each year and they have no conference showdowns. they have proven that stuff doesnt matter.

we can continue dominating in the BE by playing in preseason multi team events and scheduling high profile noncon games at MSG. we have top tier NIL. the only potential issue is revenue sharing but the school can easily afford that by cutting football and the corresponding title ix women's sports. whether we get into the big12/acc or stay in the BE i'm not worried about our bball programs.
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Agree with everything you’ve said. But you will never convince the ones who will hang on like grim death to the notion we need men’s football. Funny not one of them has any idea how to fix this 70+ year problem.
 
FearThePups said:
UConn already does compete with other stellar programs except for football. We will never be competitive at that level. Did you all see the terms of the potential offer? No football in the B2 for 7 years. Meaning no football sharing revenue until then. Those who say we need to get a seat at the table now are missing key realities. Shall I list them? 1. Whats really in it for us to join a B12 if we can’t benefit from their football revenue now? 7 years of not seeing $25M per year. How is this different than where we are now? 2. The college conference probably will look very different from today. Who says the B12 doesn’t renege/change their collective mind over a 7 year period. 3. Someone please explain to me how our football program competes in the B12? Again, flashback to losses against Michigan, Tennessee and Maryland. Do you all want to be the DePaul of the B12? We will be 3-9 or 4-8 this year with likely wins over Marymount, UMass and some other nothing school. 4. Who’s going to pay for a new stadium? The B12 won’t allow us to play in our embarrassment of a football stadium. Yormark is the smart one. He obtains the 2 best men’s and women’s basketball programs in the country in return for nothing. If we ever get an offer, I hope to hell someone here knows how to negotiate because no league deserves our brand/cache, without paying a premium.
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UConn needs to be smart about any moves obviously. Your realities may not match UConn's realities. I think we all agree that a move to the Big 12 has to come with guarantees. I agree that UConn must negotiate smartly because the UConn brand is worth it.

1. UConn needs a football schedule alliance with the Big 12 at a minimum which will strengthen football and bring in additional revenue
2. Agreement needs to define the details, no reneging and UConn needs to protect itself.
3. UConn competed in the Big East and the Big 12 is not a murderers' row. It's very solid top to bottom which is where UConn can strive to be. "It's doable."
4. I have not read that the Big 12 will not allow UConn to play in The Rent. UConn will be playing in The Rent for at minimum several years. Membership in the Big 12 will bring in much higher revenue to help pay for the stadium solution
 
FearThePups said:
UConn already does compete with other stellar programs except for football. We will never be competitive at that level. Did you all see the terms of the potential offer? No football in the B2 for 7 years. Meaning no football sharing revenue until then. Those who say we need to get a seat at the table now are missing key realities. Shall I list them? 1. Whats really in it for us to join a B12 if we can’t benefit from their football revenue now? 7 years of not seeing $25M per year. How is this different than where we are now? 2. The college conference probably will look very different from today. Who says the B12 doesn’t renege/change their collective mind over a 7 year period. 3. Someone please explain to me how our football program competes in the B12? Again, flashback to losses against Michigan, Tennessee and Maryland. Do you all want to be the DePaul of the B12? We will be 3-9 or 4-8 this year with likely wins over Marymount, UMass and some other nothing school. 4. Who’s going to pay for a new stadium? The B12 won’t allow us to play in our embarrassment of a football stadium. Yormark is the smart one. He obtains the 2 best men’s and women’s basketball programs in the country in return for nothing. If we ever get an offer, I hope to hell someone here knows how to negotiate because no league deserves our brand/cache, without paying a premium.
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Lot to unpack here. Seems like you're missing some key realities -
1. We've already been competitive at "that level" - been there, done that.
2. We don't know exactly what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.
3. Even at a partial non-football share, there was talk we'd still be doubling our Big East payout.
4. The Big 12 is on par, if not better, than the Big East in basketball.
5. The Big 12 has said nothing negative about our football stadium, sorry if you don't like it (ever gone to a game?) but it's served us well and is upgradable if required.
 
John said:
Lot to unpack here. Seems like you're missing some key realities -
1. We've already been competitive at "that level" - been there, done that.
2. We don't know exactly what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.
3. Even at a partial non-football share, there was talk we'd still be doubling our Big East payout.
4. The Big 12 is on par, if not better, than the Big East in basketball.
5. The Big 12 has said nothing negative about our football stadium, sorry if you don't like it (ever gone to a game?) but it's served us well and is upgradable if required.
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You don't know what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.

Your pro-Big 12 argument is primarily based on a massive revenue bump for basketball that may be a complete fantasy. I would love $15 million/year or $20MM or $500MM or whatever fantasy number people want to throw out, but there is no evidence we are getting that.

No one knows what the implications of the House settlement would be, making jumping at the first offer we get potentially a massive mistake. What happens if the elite academic schools bail on major sports? What happens if, as seems increasingly possible, football splits off from other sports? Committing to the Big 12 would have been a massive mistake under those circumstances.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You don't know what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.

Your pro-Big 12 argument is primarily based on a massive revenue bump for basketball that may be a complete fantasy. I would love $15 million/year or $20MM or $500MM or whatever fantasy number people want to throw out, but there is no evidence we are getting that.

No one knows what the implications of the House settlement would be, making jumping at the first offer we get potentially a massive mistake. What happens if the elite academic schools bail on major sports? What happens if, as seems increasingly possible, football splits off from other sports? Committing to the Big 12 would have been a massive mistake under those circumstances.
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In that case, what happens is we're in a better basketball conference that has much more upside than the Big East.
 
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mike012 said:
I think the Big12 is aware of our football and that is why the 5 year plan was introduced. So us losing by 60 to Maryland didn’t really change much since football is a few years away anyway.
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UConn football has be "a few years away" over and over forever, and most recently since they they got crushed in the Fiesta Bowl.
 
Under this theory of the 5 year plan, Gonzaga and Butler could be invited into Big 12 while the conference waits for their football teams to develop from scratch. We need to get into the ACC. The Big 12 is too shaky
 
John said:
Lot to unpack here. Seems like you're missing some key realities -
1. We've already been competitive at "that level" - been there, done that.
2. We don't know exactly what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.
3. Even at a partial non-football share, there was talk we'd still be doubling our Big East payout.
4. The Big 12 is on par, if not better, than the Big East in basketball.
5. The Big 12 has said nothing negative about our football stadium, sorry if you don't like it (ever gone to a game?) but it's served us well and is upgradable if required.
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Questions to your answers

1. Competitive at that level? What year(s) was that? Was it done over a number of years or just a few?
2. Fair comment.
3. I didn’t see what the yearly payout would be for football. Was it published?
4. I never said the Big East was better than the B12 in basketball.
5. I believe during this same topic discussion last year, the B12 does in fact have minimum requirements for their teams’ stadiums such as minimum seating. Nevertheless, if we are going to make a long term item to football the state and university needs to build an on campus stadium. We can’t do what we’ve always done in Connecticut which is take the cheap way out. Trying up upgrade Gampel when we should be building a new stadium, upgrading (not even sure this is the right word) the Civic Center. Waste of time and money. How many schools in the Big 10 or 12 play its home football games not on campus? If we have big dreams, then act big. You ask if I’ve been to the Rent. Yes. Have you ever been to the Big House, Randall stadium in Madison, Mich St? I have. There’s no comparison.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You don't know what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.

Your pro-Big 12 argument is primarily based on a massive revenue bump for basketball that may be a complete fantasy. I would love $15 million/year or $20MM or $500MM or whatever fantasy number people want to throw out, but there is no evidence we are getting that.

No one knows what the implications of the House settlement would be, making jumping at the first offer we get potentially a massive mistake. What happens if the elite academic schools bail on major sports? What happens if, as seems increasingly possible, football splits off from other sports? Committing to the Big 12 would have been a massive mistake under those circumstances.
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All very good questions
 
John said:
13 years being "forever" in your book.
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That is the most recent version of being "a few years away". That phrase has been repeated over and over since I attended my 1st Husky football game in the fall of 1969.
 
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huskidork said:
we better beat or compete with Duke and Wake Forest, no way they saw that and said "UConn football CAN compete with the Big 12"
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UConn can’t compete with the B12 right now. They need B12 conference name to improve recruiting and the additional B12 money. Then and only then will the start to become competitive.
 
alphasigko said:
UConn football has be "a few years away" over and over forever, and most recently since they they got crushed in the Fiesta Bowl.
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I agree with Alphasigko. And when was the Fieata Bowl? 10 or 15 years ago? I am 70 and never recall UConn being good top 20 or 25 at any point in my lifetime. So anyone who trots out that old trope, needs to stop.
 
UConn will need to build an on-campus stadium at some point if it wants to continue with FBS Football. Something to bring the football atmosphere to campus and facilities to enhance the campus.

The only way The Rent works going forward is if they did something similar, not the same, but similar to Foxboro. Foxboro has Gillette Stadium with multiple tennants and Patriot Place with shops and restaurants. Having a shell football stadium doesn't work and dumping a ton of money into the location is a bad investment all around. The Hartford Athletic already have it's new home. Everything we do in CT screams of the wrong approach.
 
FearThePups said:
I agree with Alphasigko. And when was the Fieata Bowl? 10 or 15 years ago? I am 70 and never recall UConn being good top 20 or 25 at any point in my lifetime. So anyone who trots out that old trope, needs to stop.
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Well it was true. We were fringe top 25 when we were at the apex of our rise in the Big East. I think that is what makes where we are feel worst. I remember us beating South Carolina in a bowl game in Alabama and I was amazed as I never thought we would get to that level. Now we are lucky to beat the a JV High School football team in South Carolina. LOL! The talent level and coaching is abysmal now compared to back then.
 
FearThePups said:
I agree with Alphasigko. And when was the Fieata Bowl? 10 or 15 years ago? I am 70 and never recall UConn being good top 20 or 25 at any point in my lifetime. So anyone who trots out that old trope, needs to stop.
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Split your guess down the middle. LOL
Our Fiesta Bowl was 1-1-2011.
 
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3rdbass said:
Well it was true. We were fringe top 25 when we were at the apex of our rise in the Big East. I think that is what makes where we are feel worst. I remember us beating South Carolina in a bowl game in Alabama and I was amazed as I never thought we would get to that level. Now we are lucky to beat the a JV High School football team in South Carolina. LOL! The talent level and coaching is abysmal now compared to back then.
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And many other big wins. Everyone remembers beating Notre Dame in South Bend, etc. We dominated Syracuse for a long stretch in the Big East. Multiple bowl victories and a bunch of people sent to the NFL.

The old saying was that playing UConn would get your coach fired. But once our conference broke up, the only coaches that were getting fired were ours. We need that conference...
 
alphasigko said:
That is the most recent version of being "a few years away". That phrase has been repeated over and over since I attended my 1st Husky football game in the fall of 1969.
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1969 to 2003 is immaterial.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
You don't know what ramp-up for football the Big 12 is/was proposing.

Your pro-Big 12 argument is primarily based on a massive revenue bump for basketball that may be a complete fantasy. I would love $15 million/year or $20MM or $500MM or whatever fantasy number people want to throw out, but there is no evidence we are getting that.

No one knows what the implications of the House settlement would be, making jumping at the first offer we get potentially a massive mistake. What happens if the elite academic schools bail on major sports? What happens if, as seems increasingly possible, football splits off from other sports? Committing to the Big 12 would have been a massive mistake under those circumstances.
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Jumping at the first offer? Lolz. What other offers are you waiting on.

Obviously if we're not making any more money in the Big 12 and we don't get any guarantees to join as a full football member years down the road we're not going to do it.
 
John said:
1969 to 2003 is immaterial.
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Honestly, thank you for saying that. Nobody is bragging about Yale dominating college football for years except for people at Yale. We need to focus on what a modern day UConn football program can accomplish, and we got a good dose of that during the Big East years just a little more than a decade ago...
 
UConnDan97 said:
And many other big wins. Everyone remembers beating Notre Dame in South Bend, etc. We dominated Syracuse for a long stretch in the Big East. Multiple bowl victories and a bunch of people sent to the NFL.

The old saying was that playing UConn would get your coach fired. But once our conference broke up, the only coaches that were getting fired were ours. We need that conference...
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Getting you coach fired was due to UConn being a mediocre team. Is that a good thing to remember?
 
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UConnDan97 said:
Honestly, thank you for saying that. Nobody is bragging about Yale dominating college football for years except for people at Yale. We need to focus on what a modern day UConn football program can accomplish, and we got a good dose of that during the Big East years just a little more than a decade ago...
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Again a very weak league in football once Miami and VT left. Main reason the whole bowl series was changed was due to Big East.
 
Kolumbo said:
UConn will need to build an on-campus stadium at some point if it wants to continue with FBS Football. Something to bring the football atmosphere to campus and facilities to enhance the campus.

The only way The Rent works going forward is if they did something similar, not the same, but similar to Foxboro. Foxboro has Gillette Stadium with multiple tennants and Patriot Place with shops and restaurants. Having a shell football stadium doesn't work and dumping a ton of money into the location is a bad investment all around. The Hartford Athletic already have it's new home. Everything we do in CT screams of the wrong approach.
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There is not a football program in the country that can predict its cash flows from football with any accuracy more than one year in advance. UConn is not building a stadium anywhere near Mansfield for a long time. We have to make Rentschler work.
 
Kolumbo said:
Easy there. That's 10 touchdowns. UConn only lost by 7 touchdowns. :cool:
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True, though that was mostly due to Maryland largess rather than Connecticut aptitude.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
There is not a football program in the country that can predict its cash flows from football with any accuracy more than one year in advance. UConn is not building a stadium anywhere near Mansfield for a long time. We have to make Rentschler work.
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Rare that I agree with you. The Rent is already the same size as a lot of Big XII stadiums. It's not the issue. If UConn gets an invite and if we start winning games, then we can consider whether a new stadium on campus makes sense. Probably as part of a larger build-out of Mansfield. The state would need to step in, Mansfield has held UConn back for too long. The state could use some development in the area.
 
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