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Santini35 said:
You know why it might be a good idea to keep things from being under FOIA? Your pitch leaks out and you misspell research while touting your research...

Joey Knight‏@TBTimes_Bulls
BREAKING: #USF has prepared promotional material, including case statement (here's 1st page) and video to Big 12.
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Greg Auman Verified account‏@gregauman 4 hours ago
Not done yet: "Excellence in Academics" page in 2016 USF football media guide touts team's "academic succes."
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Dan Wolken@DanWolken 2 hours ago
Making fun of USF is the easy play here. But the larger point is Big 12 making schools grovel publicly. Shameful.

Dan Wolken@DanWolken 2 hours ago
Even by Big 12 standards this has been poorly handled and undignified.
 
huskymedic said:
Greg Auman Verified account‏@gregauman
Not done yet: "Excellence in Academics" page in 2016 USF football media guide touts team's "academic succes."
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Dan Wolken@DanWolken 2 hours ago
Making fun of USF is the easy play here. But the larger point is Big 12 making schools grovel publicly. Shameful.

Dan Wolken@DanWolken 2 hours ago
Even by Big 12 standards this has been poorly handled and undignified.
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Not everyone is groveling. :rolleyes:
 
1husky said:
Don't you think he might have a point about the statement made by Herbst? She is obviously downplaying our ability to get in. And there is a reason for that. So whether you have faith in her or not it looks to me like we failed again.
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Reading tea leafs is hazardous for all. Either Herbst is going to be a hero or zero. There will be no in between.
 
junglehusky said:
Yes, and Herbst has made statements at alumni functions and similar things in the past where she makes it abundantly clear that supporting athletics and big time sports is a priority, but hey let's all just pretend she didn't say those things too.
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Yea she can absolutely say that and truly mean it but as it stands UConn currently has the most subsidized athletic program in the country. That's dollars being taken out of every students tuition to make up for the corresponding lack of conference TV dollars that usually fund these things for high level programs. We can sustain this for a few years sure but how long?

UConn currently has one of the highest in-state tuitions in the nation too, and students have been vocal about the constant tuition hikes. I don't think it'll be an easy sell long term, which is why getting into a P5 is so crucial but this has all obviously been covered ad nauseum here.
 
W_T_F is Dan Wolken talking about? Putting a media guide out is "groveling"?

How many schools in FBS DON'T put out a media guide?
 
BlueDogs said:
Reading tea leafs is hazardous for all. Either Herbst is going to be a hero or zero. There will be no in between.
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Could be. I hope we're in. If Herbst blows this it will cost much more than just our Athletics.
 
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FfldCntyFan said:
Whaler, it appears that the core of where you and I differ is in the belief of what our support of the program and school has earned us. The way I see it, the few thousand dollars a year I spend on tickets to football and basketball games and the similar amount that I donate to the school does not buy me regular updates on the schools approach to impressing the leadership of the B-12. There is one thing you need to realize, this is discretionary spending and if you believe you are not getting in return what you think you deserve the solution is easy, don't spend your hard earned dollars on the product. If you want to go to football games without feeling you are being overcharged I will be happy to provide a ticket or two for every home game. I've given away plenty of tickets for years, this way you won't need to think Susan isn't responding sufficiently to what your cost is.
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He has been a patient very long time fan. This is it. Two strikes, dont want to hear Herbst going up to the plate sounding like a Doris Day song. If we dont get in, I want to know about the effort because there will no event at the Rent worth watching to many of Husky Nation and that includes the students living a half hour away.
 
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Duncan Idaho said:
He has been a patient very long time fan. This is it. Two strikes, dont want to hear Herbst going up to the plate sounding like a Doris Day song.
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The next time I speak with SH I will point out the error and ask her to run all decisions by the fan base.
 
mrhandyman said:
You mean this?

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Actually, that song is probably the most truthful thing posted to date on CR and UConn. UConn has no control over what the B12 decides to do. We can jump up and down all we want, but in the end the B12 will do what it wants to do. Nothing UConn says or does will change that fact!!!
 
1husky said:
Do any of the people bashing Whaler actually believe we are in at this point? Stair master, Art, Pudge, Excalibur??
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I never indicated that, but I also never thought we were in, particularly in a 2-team expansion. But I'm not bashing Whaler, I'm bashing the enormous logical leap that he's making regarding Herbst's statements. While I've been very critical of her message to the fans, I think she is correct about the futility of public lobbying. Whaler doesn't. That explains the difference of opinion.
 
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And for those of you saying that "public lobbying" is working for others (i.e. Housto
BUHusky10 said:
The reason I don't buy the "if they take us they take us" line is because it's not like lobbying for a spot and not doing so have the same chances for success.

This isn't a game of pick up basketball where captains are picking teams. This is a business decision first and foremost. Like any business proposition there is always room for selling your assets and strengths to win that contract. The candidate who sits back and doesn't make much noise may come off as mature and collected, if you believe that BS pseudo-psychology somehow makes us more attractive, but it is just as likely that we seem disinterested or even worse, our strengths and candidacy get lost in the commotion of the competition trying to sell itself. One thing I've noticed since the beginning of this expansion process is that the vocal members have received the most subsequent discussion and have found themselves as "assumed" favorites by many pundits and the public as a result. Public lobbying went as far as creating political buzz for Houston, which seems to have made them a lock to many.
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Houston wasn't public lobbying, it was a power play using someone with leverage in the process.
 
Excalibur said:
And for those of you saying that "public lobbying" is working for others (i.e. Housto


Houston wasn't public lobbying, it was a power play using someone with leverage in the process.
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UH has most assuredly been out in front of this entire process. They've been actively lobbying the B12 for years. President Khator is a very sharp, savvy woman. Under her leadership they elevated to Tier 1 status specifically to make the school more attractive to the B12. She has managed to get them a seat at B12 meetings and her donors and fanbase are well aware of what she's been doing to curry favor with B12 presidents. They also got President Gee of WVU, who chairs the expansion commitee, to visit their campus.

Recently they've benefited from the move UT is trying to make into Houston, which is why the politicians got involved because they owe Tillman Fertitta for his major campaign contributions, but Houston has been visibly working to get into the B12 for quite some time.
 
UConnNick said:
UH has most assuredly been out in front of this entire process. They've been actively lobbying the B12 for years. President Khator is a very sharp, savvy woman. Under her leadership they elevated to Tier 1 status specifically to make the school more attractive to the B12. She has managed to get them a seat at B12 meetings and her donors and fanbase are well aware of what she's been doing to curry favor with B12 presidents. They also got President Gee of WVU, who chairs the expansion commitee, to visit their campus.

Recently they've benefited from the move UT is trying to make into Houston, which is why the politicians got involved because they owe Tillman Fertitta for his major campaign contributions, but Houston has been visibly working to get into the B12 for quite some time.
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Yes, and we have taken actions as well over several years that have been documented here. I'm talking about public lobbying (i.e. through the media). And regardless, many were reporting that they were not a favorite until the governor's power play.
 
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A+ to @whaler11

A thoroughly enjoying read as football season slouches toward Bethlehem to be reborn and the only pulse quickening involves early september non-conference games and a November non-conference road trip. On the heels of that, the new hope that comes for every season - to win a title and go to a bowl game - which would mean the oddity of an AAC championship game in December.

The school seems to be spending like it has the cash flow of one of the high paying conferences, but isn't getting the income from the same revenue streams.

That doesn't seem like a good long term plan to me unless something is expected to change.

If the relationships have not been cultivated such that the next time there is a vote for inclusion in a high paying conference, that we have enough votes FROM THE VERY FEW WHO ACTUALLY VOTE?

Then that's a big F for the entire university administrative structure, with Suzie at the peak of the pile.
 
Seriously. The big 12 is hanging 20 carrot sticks out there and it still may not expand? That would be the biggest F ing joke ever. Can we assume it is at least expanding by 2? And get we get some closure on the fact that no way UConn gets an invite, so I can move on to wondering wtf UConn is gonna do next? This is beyond awful.
 
Carl Spackler said:
A+ to @whaler11

A thoroughly enjoying read as football season slouches toward Bethlehem to be reborn and the only pulse quickening involves early september non-conference games and a November non-conference road trip. On the heels of that, the new hope that comes for every season - to win a title and go to a bowl game - which would mean the oddity of an AAC championship game in December.

The school seems to be spending like it has the cash flow of one of the high paying conferences, but isn't getting the income from the same revenue streams.

That doesn't seem like a good long term plan to me unless something is expected to change.

If the relationships have not been cultivated such that the next time there is a vote for inclusion in a high paying conference, that we have enough votes FROM THE VERY FEW WHO ACTUALLY VOTE?

Then that's a big F for the entire university administrative structure, with Suzie at the peak of the pile.
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You guys love to have certainty where it doesn't exist.
 
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TRest said:
how connected are the rumblings to the campus? Be a sport. You can be as vague as possible. Although I wouldn't blame you after seeing what happened to poor Skiblets.
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Right, so @Scot-e was it someone in:

Pool A
Someone in or close to (booster) UConn Adim/AD
Big 12 President
TV Partner

Pool B
Credible Media Member
Any Other Credible Person with Direct Knowledge of the Situation/Negotiations.

Pool C
Car Wash Attendant
Any other Media Member

Pool D
West Virginia Hillbilly in their basement
Minnesota Fan with an imaginary friend
 
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