UCONN on Delany's radar

[Chuck]

Just a question but how do we deserve what we get? That is an interesting assessment you brought up BTW. Besides Mike Rice and now this, Hermann, how and in what way do we constitute this bs? Before we were relatively quiet. Now...well sort of dramatic.


e="Chuck, post: 921197, member: 1646"]She's not excited that the guy that changes toner in the printers is losing his job. I'm a long time NJ resident and RU grad school grad. I don't support RU athletics (but I'm not a hater) as I'm all UConn, but I can verify that that the Star Ledger decided to get more readers by becoming an enemy of the local team rather than a supporter. The local paper shouldn't be a lackey, but the Ledger takes every chance it can to kick RU while being more supportive of private Seton Hall.

RU deserves a lot of what it gets, and my kids won't go there if I have any say (despite it being a better financial move for me), but this writer was using has bully (or in this case his "shame") pulpit for a dying industry.

Just[/quote]
Primarily just a whole lot of losing. Throw in some naked free throws, firing a coach for getting an award, firing his replacement (that you jumped on to keep away from a competitor) for getting in arguments at baseball games, Mike Rice (who I thought was going to get RU over the hump), graduation misrepresentations (I won't say lies) and a politically incorrect AD and the Ledger did have some fodder. Schiano had a few good years, but some bad ones too. Flood's not looking so good and Terry Shea made PP look like Saban. RU shouldn't get a free pass on all of that. I also agree that the Ledger looked for problems and rarely gave praise. That's not what a local paper should do to the state U.

I don't wish ill on RU. I have good friends that are huge fans. I was even a secondary fan until this realignment garbage hit. Now I can only pull for what helps UConn (not that I have any influence over it). Hopefully we'll be conference foes again. If we wind up in the ACC I'll probably even go back to being a secondary fan.

 

[btstimpy]

Who in this thread or any thread for that matter has ever claimed that Rutgers wins all the time, or that they have never had bad publicity?(Rutgersal does not count) For purposes of the B1G, Rutgers was a far superior addition to Syracuse, BC, or Pitt. Rutgers fits the academic and institutional profile that the B1G looks for, while neither BC or Syracuse ever would. Pitt while a match for the academics, could never bring anything to the table on the TV side of things.

Rutgers is an AAU Member, and yes a Flagship State University located in the wealthy and populous Northeast. Being situated on the door step of NYC sealed the deal for RU once The BTN became a reality. If Rutgers was the State University of Delaware, New Hampshire, or West Virginia they would still be in the AAC. College Sports are big business, so you are damn right that Delany will swallow this nonsense by Hermann and count his cable boxes.

Hopefully with the massive influx of cash and exposure they will see from inclusion in The B1G, they will be able to improve their overall athletic department. That said even if it never happens they will still be a good institutional fit with the other schools of The B1G. On the flip side the other member schools will see increased exposure in the media capital of the world, increased access to NJ Recruiting, and wheelbarrows full of cash.

You challenged me directly. I do like Mozzarella Sticks. I don't think much that you say here is substantially different that what I said. My only comment w0uld be that Penn State does not require Rutgers to have Big Ten membership to recruit New Jersey.

 

[Gfunk]

Note to Rutgers fans here: you're in, I get it, but we've been here all along in Minnesota & I do support your membership.

But Jesus H. Christ, UConn deserves in as well & they sure have done things, athletically, Rutgers hasn't, at least not yet.

So don't rub it in because your are in. At the end of the day you only have 1 NC, all sports, and despite yet another PR issue, Hermann is amazingly stupid, your fans have consistently slammed other worthy teams that got left out of the recent expansions. That's just ridiculous immaturity, behave!

It doesn't matter if you're in the BIG now, you need to start winning & adding NCAA titles, I don't care which sport, to the trophy case & your leadership needs to stay out of the news for negative reasons.

And I do know many Rutgers fans do in fact come across as polite on here or other boards, but too many of you act like fools, which is inexcusable for a school based in a state that cranks out top-notch hs basketball and football talent on an annual basis, yet 1 lousy NCAA title. That's not under-achievement, that's borderline disgraceful. Again, behave and be humble - your athletics history needs a huge dose of future success.

PS If any of your thinks bringing up Minnesota's current era of mediocre football is a comeback - go ahead. But our school wins NCAA titles in other sports (at least 8 NCAA titles in just the past 15 years, 17 overall & plenty of runners up). Btw, we have titles in football as well. Further, we consistently crack the top 20 of the Director's Cup. As for academics, our school is world renowned, esp at the graduate level. Very few BIG schools rank above us in the research-graduate schools department (number of top 20 programs) - heck very few in the entire nation.

 

[Fishy]

Rutgers fans were just sent to their room without dessert.

 

[noeynox]

Somebody fix the damn radar already. I'm tired of us being on it, but not being picked up. Enough with the radar. We bring in revenue off tournament credits alone. Someone tell the Big Ten they haven't won a championship since like Bill Clinton was president. We can fix that problem for them.

 

[UConn9604]

You are obviously not familiar with the scandal the Star ledger created

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, and assuming everything you have written is true, an athletic director of a first-rate athletic program would not say those things.

You are to be forgiven for not having any experience with a first-rate athletic department, but those comments were unnecessarily harmful, and shouldn't have been said.

 

[Dooley]

Note to Rutgers fans here: you're in, I get it, but we've been here all along in Minnesota & I do support your membership.

But Jesus H. Christ, UConn deserves in as well & they sure have done things, athletically, Rutgers hasn't, at least not yet.

So don't rub it in because your are in. At the end of the day you only have 1 NC, all sports, and despite yet another PR issue, Hermann is amazingly stupid, your fans have consistently slammed other worthy teams that got left out of the recent expansions. That's just ridiculous immaturity, behave!

It doesn't matter if you're in the BIG now, you need to start winning & adding NCAA titles, I don't care which sport, to the trophy case & your leadership needs to stay out of the news for negative reasons.

And I do know many Rutgers fans do in fact come across as polite on here or other boards, but too many of you act like fools, which is inexcusable for a school based in a state that cranks out top-notch hs basketball and football talent on an annual basis, yet 1 lousy NCAA title. That's not under-achievement, that's borderline disgraceful. Again, behave and be humble - your athletics history needs a huge dose of future success.

PS If any of your thinks bringing up Minnesota's current era of mediocre football is a comeback - go ahead. But our school wins NCAA titles in other sports (at least 8 NCAA titles in just the past 15 years, 17 overall & plenty of runners up). Btw, we have titles in football as well. Further, we consistently crack the top 20 of the Director's Cup. As for academics, our school is world renowned, esp at the graduate level. Very few BIG schools rank above us in the research-graduate schools department (number of top 20 programs) - heck very few in the entire nation.

Gfunk - now that they are your conference mates, my best advice to you on how to handle some (I say some because there are a few RU fans that post here that I don't have an issue with at all) Rutgers' fans is to find your <ignore> button and put a few of them on your list. I have a few on my ignore list here so I probably can't/won't read what posts prompted you to post this (great stuff, by the way). Every fanbase has their fair collection of blowhards (ours included), but the Rutty blowhards just seem to take ignorance to a completely different level. If championships were won on message boards and internet comments sections instead of on the field/court, Rutty would have a packed trophy room instead of the 1 trophy in 100 years of athletics that they currently have. The only conference weight that Rutgers has pulled in 100 years is Chris Christie's waistline on Thanksgiving evening.

Good luck to you and other B1G fans who will now get to enjoy the full Rutgers experience next season and beyond. Lots and lots and lots and lots of unsubstantiated talk with absolutely zero actual accomplishments to support their claims.

Edit: for the record, I do think the B1G made a good choice in inviting Rutgers (AAU, market, large state university, good recruiting grounds, etc). I just think for the NYC market sweep to be complete, the conference also needs UCONN.

 

[nym410]

The mere fact that a fan from Rutgers can come here and think he's justified to argue anything just blows my mind.

I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about Rutgers, not a Duke, not a Syracuse, not a Louisville, but we're talking about Rutgers. How silly is that?

 

[Sea Goat]

You are obviously not familiar with the scandal the Star ledger created, regarding Rutgers CB Ian Thomas..and how he told RU coach Kyle Flood he was giving up football to play baseball...then told the Star-Ledger he never told Flood anything about baseball.

The Star Ledger then allowed Thomas to call Flood a liar in a column...without getting his side of the story. A scandal erupted.

Several months later, Thomas apologized for calling Flood a liar, was remorseful...and even asked back on to the team, which Flood allowed him to do.

The Star-ledger NEVER printed a follow-up story in which Thomas apologized to Flood...instead letting the general public continue to believe it was Flood who lied, and not Thomas.

This was a scandal 100 percent started by The Star Ledger's Dan Duggan.

During our bowl game with Notre Dame, the Star-Leger ran two feel good stories about ND players from NJ....and NONE on any of the dozens of NJ players on Rutgers' teams.

Also, not that it's a big deal (it's not) but a few days ago, the Rutgers women's team won the NIT championship. Not that it deserved a spot on the front page of the sports section, but you would think they would find a spot for it somewhere.

The Ledger didn't even report on it.

Rutroh's AD is stunningly stupid - you must see that. BTW, the NYC press has picked up on it and she now has those formidable dragons after her. Real smart move. As Mark Twain reportedly observed; "Never pick a fight with someone who buys his ink by the barrel and his paper by the ton!"

 

[Husky25]

Rutroh's AD is stunningly stupid - you must see that. BTW, the NYC press has picked up on it and she now has those formidable dragons after her. Real smart move. As Mark Twain reportedly observed; "Never pick a fight with someone who buys his ink by the barrel and his paper by the ton!"

And then...

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

-- Abraham Lincoln

 

[ruthetiger]

Just

Primarily just a whole lot of losing. Throw in some naked free throws, firing a coach for getting an award, firing his replacement (that you jumped on to keep away from a competitor) for getting in arguments at baseball games, Mike Rice (who I thought was going to get RU over the hump), graduation misrepresentations (I won't say lies) and a politically incorrect AD and the Ledger did have some fodder. Schiano had a few good years, but some bad ones too. Flood's not looking so good and Terry Shea made PP look like Saban. RU shouldn't get a free pass on all of that. I also agree that the Ledger looked for problems and rarely gave praise. That's not what a local paper should do to the state U.

I don't wish ill on RU. I have good friends that are huge fans. I was even a secondary fan until this realignment garbage hit. Now I can only pull for what helps UConn (not that I have any influence over it). Hopefully we'll be conference foes again. If we wind up in the ACC I'll probably even go back to being a secondary fan.[/quote]

That's understood. Look no one can or will get an argument from me. And I won't even bring up the fact that we're in the B1G. This is completely embarrassing. However, I will say this...
The NSL has looked to be where they are. It's simply a case of what goes around comes around. I don't know any state print media that doesn't support their local or state team. I understand being critical, but not to a point where one or several come into question the support of the largest newspaper company in the state. And to be quite frank, this has been going on for generations, the best thing is, many of us have gotten tired of it.

Now as for the Kyle Flood situation, we'll just wait and see how that turns out, before you all anoint him, Terry Shea Jr. There were many going ons regarding RU football, that really is that...GOING ONS! Football will be back, because I'm not buying that we cannot compete in the conference. I've seen things happen.

I have nothing negative to say about your program because I've come to realize that it is counterproductive, and quite honestly it's droll and boring. From now on I'll only come here to have coonstructive arguments about football.

Anyhow, thanks for the critique. Although I think that it is a bit one sided as per the history aspect, we are not as big losers as some may think we are. R history does go way way back.

 

[Adios]

R history does go way way back.

Remember McGill vs Harvard in 1874. The true beginning of gridiron football.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

the BUG decided they already had enough major football brands and thus added some empty stadia to house their fans.

 

[Gfunk]

the BUG decided they already had enough major football brands and thus added some empty stadia to house their fans.

You know, it's a little humorous when ND fans come into the equation, esp when no other school had the power of ND to save the Big East. Oh how the Big East would be different had you just joined for everything, esp when VT and Miami were still around. Moreover, had ND committed to the Big East, PSU probably peels away from the BIG and no doubt, the Big East is still here, relevant in football and basketball.

While I get ND fans generally view the BIG as incompatible - your football program is easily the most hyped pile of mediocrity I've seen in the BCS era amongst so-called blue bloods - see all of your blowout losses for proof. I mean no other team has faired so poorly in BCS games - score differences - ouch!

In a way, typical ND fans are like BIG fans, they feel ancient folklore and packed stands justifies a seat at the table, when it really doesn't in terms of NCs in an age of a more fair, yet still unfair system.

At least two BIG programs have done more than ND the past 30 years, football wise: OSU and Neb, you can rewind Neb all the way back to 1970. How does a less populated state with less local talent do it? National recruiting, which was always one of ND's excuses for joining the BIG. And Michigan sure has your number, head-t0-head. You guys dodged out of that great rivalry, in the name of recruiting, really. I don't need to hear this obligation for partial ACC games - big rivalries should always stay the course.

The last fans on here should be where your loyalty falls: you have the ACC for all but FT football, you get to cherry pick your match ups to benefit recruiting. It's your perfect world. Move along.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

Can't believe we're trash talking in football on the day of the biggest women's ball game probably of the decade. We have all summer.

 

[Gfunk]

Can't believe we're trash talking in football on the day of the biggest women's ball game probably of the decade. We have all summer.

I don't, esp when you talked first smack. Nice game, yet another loss. I was actually kinda pulling for you because like football, your gals just seem to choke so often. I think McGraw's next NC may come when Geno retires.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

The underdog can't really choke unless they build a lead and lose it.

the BUG10 should be ridiculed at any occasion, but nonetheless I think joining them would be better for UCONN.

 

[Gfunk]

The underdog can't really choke unless they build a lead and lose it.

the BUG10 should be ridiculed at any occasion, but nonetheless I think joining them would be better for UCONN.

You mean the ACC upgrade didn't help - I mean come on now - UConn is stuck in the lowly AAC. Well in your words: "the biggest women's ball game probably of the decade" seems incredibly off target since the game was all but over by minute 16 of the second half.

Keep on chugging - slim! ND is short for No Damn BCS wins - ever!

 

[NotreDameJoe]

1 year? Does this mean the AAC is the dominant athletic conference?

 

[okielite]

You mean the ACC upgrade didn't help - I mean come on now - UConn is stuck in the lowly AAC. Well in your words: "the biggest women's ball game probably of the decade" seems incredibly off target since the game was all but over by minute 16 of the second half.

Keep on chugging - slim! ND is short for No Damn BCS wins - ever!

Yep... 0 for 4. Hard to be relevant when you choke in every big game you play.

 

[NotreDameJoe]

Yep... 0 for 4. Hard to be relevant when you choke in every big game you play.

Not when you beat your rival half the time.

 

[CL82]

She's not excited that the guy that changes toner in the printers is losing his job. I'm a long time NJ resident and RU grad school grad. I don't support RU athletics (but I'm not a hater) as I'm all UConn, but I can verify that that the Star Ledger decided to get more readers by becoming an enemy of the local team rather than a supporter.

Well there is a lot of that going around....

 

[Stray_Dog]

The underdog can't really choke unless they build a lead and lose it.

the BUG10 should be ridiculed at any occasion, but nonetheless I think joining them would be better for UCONN.

is that some kinda backhanded compliment for UConn???

But when the ND Women's Basketball coach, claims that UConn is a bully, yet who offered here athletes a seat when their wasn't enough seats for them ....that is right Geno did! When ND is up for a reward Geno claps...but when UConn is up for theirs...she sits with a puss on her face...like a little spoiled BRAT! Geno was like a gentleman. He was humble and said very little that could be constued as negative about ND...but what did their coach say and do or not do? I think she did it because she is coaching ND and with the press in love with ND thought she could get away with it, and in a way did...think about it what happened and reverse the roles now imagine the headlines. ND in my opinion acts like a spoiled brat. Why do I say that, boohoo the Big 10 didn't let us, we were blackballed...and you are right you were...so now you join a league that is blackballing someone else I SHOUT LOUDLY HYPOCRISY!

 

[Stray_Dog]

Not when you beat your rival half the time.

Yeah...excuses...just do it once when it really counts!!!

 

[NotreDameJoe]

is that some kinda backhanded compliment for UConn???

It's simple dollars. You don't like the AAC. The BUG is a big powerful and rich conference. The AAC has a poor reputation; despite their important wins in year 1 that is unlikely to change.

The ACC has members that allegedly don't want UCONN in, so their out. The Big12 would not be a stable destination. UConn to the BUG is a no brainer really.