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UConn-Dayton postgame thread

Lots of good thoughts, Surly1, but I'm curious whom the two All-American guards are... if you're referring to Azzi, you might be interested to know that I believe the only post-season honor she's earned in two seasons (much of it due to injury, for sure), was all-Big East freshmen for 2021-22.

She has yet to even get honorable mention all-Big East (again, due to injury) and isn't on the radar for all-American honors.

We Boneyarders like to project, for sure, and we all hope Azzi will improve her shooting to the level that many of us already wrongly believe she's achieved.

I suspect this post will earn me an 'Azzi hater' tag, which is miles and miles from the truth. I'm a huge admirer of the young woman, but we should save those All-American labels for those who have earned them, at this point Aaliyah as a third-team A-A and Paige for what she achieved in '20-21, and root for Azzi to rise to that standard.
Thanks Deacon for pointing out my overzealousness. I should have said two All-American talents or All-American capable. From coast to coast, the women's game is loaded with talent, so it will be difficult to have 2 players listed in the top 15 (All-American), let alone 3 players.
 
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During a timeout At 59:33
Jana grooves to the music and Ayanna notices and then has a secret smile. Priceless.
 
UConn did what was expected last night. Looking at the team there will be a lot of games where double digit players will play in the game but when they play the big teams it will be 8 or less. This team won't be limited by talent that's for sure and I think you might see that 5th player change depending on who the opponent is that night.

I read a lot of great comments on the game and some that said Paige wouldn't be a scorer this year. Well that one I completely disagree with since she is the best shooter they have in game situations. When they are playing schools that have an outside chance of beating UConn Paige will show up and show up big. Her and Aaliyah are both great players you can count on when the game is on the line.

Nika seems to know and be comfortable with her role and eventually Azzi will fall into her role without the team having to force her into shooting every time she gets the ball. When that happens this team goes from being great to being unbeatable. I would not be surprised if last night was at or below their shooting average for the year once it is all said and done. My last thought is that eventually you will see Aaliyah and Ice on the floor at the same time. Right now I see Ice as the only player who can sub for Aaliyah without a great reduction of size.
Last sentence is key to the year. I think Aubrey will need to play a little more at the 4, just to help rebounding. Just don’t see Caroline mixing it up down low.
 
What will be Ines roll, she always looks comfortable when she comes in the game, but with so many guards where will the minutes be available for her?
 
My prediction:

Ice will find her stroke and her confidence very quickly. She's a strong girl with good handles who moves well and rebounds well. In effect, she's Aaliyah 2.0. I expect she'll hold her own with opposing bigs in February and March, she'll be an effective sub for Aaliyah, and an excellent front court partner when they're on the floor together.

I hope Ayanna comes back soon. She's already got a year of UConn experience and she's as strong as anyone in D1. She already plays good post defense. It's just a question of her finding her offensive confidence now. She'll be an important part of the frontcourt solution.

Also, @sun , I'm not at all moved by Dayton's scoring. They finished with an 8-0 run in the final 2;00 against our weakest lineup. This is unrepresentative. I'm more struck by quarters 1-3 when we held them to 12-40 fg shooting. We played suffocating defense especially in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. That's what we'll see much more of.
Ice Brady has the potential to be an Elton Brand type player. With great athletes, I think it fine to draw comparisons to male performers where warranted. I think it an understatement to state she is a strong young women. And it strikes me as reasonable to predict she will begin to use that strength effectively, especially with Edwards as a teammate, who will draw double teams consistently.

If I were on the team, I would thank my lucky stars for having an assist machine like Nika Muhl. Just makes everyone better and is a great defender.
 
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My favorite part was having six scoring in double figures and two more scoring 8 points. The freshmen looked really, really good. I'd like to see Geno mixing in the bench players with two or three starters to develop them for the post season.
 
Edwards' 23 points in 23 minutes shows how much offense she provides & puts her on track to be a 1st team AA this year.
But I hope she doesn't become too much of the focus of better teams trying to stop our offense.

Dayton essentially has the same team as last year when they averaged 65.2 points per game against much weaker teams.
UConn's defense didn't slown down their offense very much since we were only able to prevent them from scoring 7 points despite all of our athleticism.
That's sort of surprising considering how many boards, blocks & steals we had.
In this game UConn relied on a high powered offense & a fast pace to achieve the blowout.
All of the substitutions helped to keep up our pace & to find who would provide a hot hand.

It was nice to see everyone available get to play like in the exhibition game.
I would say you have to ignore the points scored by Dayton in the last 5 minutes in this kind of analysis. I also think Tamika has to get some credit for player development so hopefully they are better this year than last.
 
I think Ice was really tight and feeling the feelings of her first official game. I'm not making any conclusions about the next 4 years from that game. She took good shots for her skill set and they didn't go in. They will.
 
Ice looked good to me .. she rebounded yea would have been nice to made a couple bunnies .. she looks like she belongs out there and looks fleet on her feet .. Now Deberry geez I’ve been waiting for her to breakout .. maybe Santa will grant me this wish this year ?
 
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We are tremendously short in the front court: in size and in available bodies.
I don't agree. We are a little thin. But we have 2 substantial very strong bigs -- Aaliyah and Ice -- and several long-armed slashers in the 6'0"-6'2" range -- Aubrey, Qadence, Paige -- who are good at stealing rebounds, and Caroline at 6'2" who is an adept at scoring and defending in the lane. The number of teams with a bigger, deeper or comparably talented front court could probably be counted on one hand. It's so easy to forget that last season's NC game was between teams no bigger than we are now.
 
We are tremendously short in the front court: in size and in available bodies, as it seems that Amari does not develop her game.
I honestly think that we will be okay. We have three 6”3 forwards in Aliyah, Ice and Ayanna that are very strong. We have so much offense that all amari has to do is put her hands up on defense as she showed last night. Also give her some grace, Geno talked about at lengths last year about how hard it is to come back from back surgery, Aubrey is still going through it as Geno said her minutes will be in 3-4 min spurts. Iowa beat the 6”5 Boston and 6”7 Cardoso last year with a 6”3 post. LSU lost 2 games last year and won it all with a 6”3 post in Reese. We have so much fire power that it kinda doesn’t matter.
 
We are tremendously short in the front court: in size and in available bodies, as it seems that Amari does not develop her game.
There's really 2 questions about opposing bigs: can you defend them and can you score against them. Aaliyah already showed she can score against the biggest of the bigs when we played SC last season. Being a great post player isn't simply about height. It's also (and mainly) about strength, foot speed and positioning. I think Aaliyah has proved herself in all three areas. It remains to be seen how good Ice is in those areas, but the signs are good. That's two very strong 6'3" players.

We are thin however, and in this I agree with you. There's not much backing the two of them up, and there will be a few games where Geno will want to play them side by side. Having a third big who can play at that level would make me breathe easier this season. Ayanna could be that person -- we already know she's a capable defender at 6'2" and is as strong as any other big in D1. Where her game needs development is on offense. However, given the shooters we will have on the perimeter, I'm less worried about that. If Ayanna can spell Aaliyah and Ice without giving up any defensive intensity, that could be enough.
 
When Patterson comes back and is fully in game shape, we'll be good in the front court.

If we have 10+ players who can sprint and shoot for 40 minutes, I can't think of a present 6'5"+ post player in the country who could keep up and that includes Cardoso.
 
I think that is why Geno was not happy when KK first entered the game and wasn't pushing. She quickly got the message and started rockin' it.
 
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And BTW-- KK plays and entertains like when I think of the Renee Montgomery days. I know folks compare her to MoJeff and Crystal but she is more extroverted than them IMO and gives more flash like Renee.
 
I think Ice was really tight and feeling the feelings of her first official game. I'm not making any conclusions about the next 4 years from that game. She took good shots for her skill set and they didn't go in. They will.
I thought that turn around fade away was pretty sweet. Not the kind of shot you expect from a freshman. Yes it was her only f.g. but a highly skilled play.
 
I'm glad the thread is still open. Some thoughts from being there in person:

The crowd was pretty good, about 9,100, though I was hoping for more for Paige's return. She did get a huge ovation. People need to see her before she is gone. I still have trouble accepting that I'll never see Maya Moore play again.

Tamika Williams-Jeter also got an extended ovation and waved to the crowd for several seconds. After the game, Tamika gave everyone from UConn a hug. The players receiving the biggest hugs were Paige (coming back from the injury) and Ayanna (who worked with Tamika's husband).

The announcement during the game and celebration after the game for Nykesha's grandmother's 100th birthday were special. UConn is a big family!

Regarding the game, I was surprised at how balanced the scoring was. If a fan knew nothing and walked in in the middle of Q1, that fan might not have known who the stars were and who came off the bench. Paige's shot was a little off, but she looked solid. Same for Azzi. Liya looked like the big star, based on how much she scored and how she did it. Aubrey makes plays that maybe no one else in the nation makes. She's is under-appreciated. I'll say it--Aubrey Griffin is worth the price of admission.

I thought the offense was pretty good, though both Paige and Azzi missed shots that they normally make. Both are exceptional shooters. Nika has really improved her offensive game; she is still the heart of the team.

The defense was so-so. Dayton got--and made--too many jump shots. Their kids can shoot, especially the transfer from Miami of Ohio, who led her league in scoring last year. Tamika's kids played hard and didn't make many bad mistakes. I think her team is on an upward trajectory.

Other highlights--I got to chat with RoadWarrior, DefenseBB, Philster, and Bryson Hartley and his mom.

I'm looking forward to the next couple of games, against better competition.
 
There's really 2 questions about opposing bigs: can you defend them and can you score against them. Aaliyah already showed she can score against the biggest of the bigs when we played SC last season. Being a great post player isn't simply about height. It's also (and mainly) about strength, foot speed and positioning. I think Aaliyah has proved herself in all three areas. It remains to be seen how good Ice is in those areas, but the signs are good. That's two very strong 6'3" players.

We are thin however, and in this I agree with you. There's not much backing the two of them up, and there will be a few games where Geno will want to play them side by side. Having a third big who can play at that level would make me breathe easier this season. Ayanna could be that person -- we already know she's a capable defender at 6'2" and is as strong as any other big in D1. Where her game needs development is on offense. However, given the shooters we will have on the perimeter, I'm less worried about that. If Ayanna can spell Aaliyah and Ice without giving up any defensive intensity, that could be enough.
She was in sweats for Dayton and Geno says she is not yet in full practice mode. Let's hope she is ready before December.
 
A disappointment to whom, you? Someone else? Were you expecting a double-double in her first game?

I'd like to offer another way to look at Ice's first regular season game as a Husky, as she's pretty much at the same level as the freshmen. Perhaps it was nerves. She laughed at herself for missing a layup. It's not easy playing for Geno, playing for this team. Sometimes the players make it look easy. From a post presence, Aaliyah will be the primary focus, as she's a senior, and the expectations are that she plays this well (or better) every night.

Right now, Geno & the staff are trying to figure out all the best combos of lineups, sub patterns, etc, so I didn't read much into who did what, who didn't do what, etc, etc. After last season, I've learned not to have unrealistic expectations as there is too much not in anyone's control, so last night I cheered, had a few "ughs", laughed, and enjoyed watching the team play some pretty good hoop for the first game.
Notice I wrote first game. The other 3 playing in their first UConn games were better. As Egan noted when she missed the layup and was laughing at herself she didn't hustle back on defense.
 
You all covered everything. It was great seeing Paige back out there. Great seeing Caroline knocking down shots and just out on the court. Huge plus. The Freshmen are going to be spectacular! What really impressed me, beside the low turnover numbers (8), was how nobody was forcing anything. Each player let the action determine their response. That speaks volumes.
 
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As far as the freshies, I thought KK and Q were both terrific.

KK gives us instant pentration ability on offense which breaks down the defense where she can dish to open teammates for layups or open threes. They key for me is the instant penetration with her great quickness. There is little a defense can do against a player with superior quickness. Essentialy KK can get what she wants assuming that quickness holds up against better teams. KK could take playing time away from NM as the season goes on. I love NM and no knock against her, she is an AA in her own right, but KK can be special. She can be a matchup nightmare for opposing teams.

Q has a terrific looking stroke. She is also long and has some quickness as well which will help her chase rebounds against taller players and be disruptive defensely. If she can build on this first game against better competition, I think she will be able to take playing time away from CD since Q has the athleticism to defend against most matchups but CD struggles with this and GA has to 'hide' or help her. CD is a bit too streaky with her shooting as well. Q can take playing time away from AG also since Q is a better offensive threat.

It's only one game against a much lower level of competition, but at minimum the above players give us competition, depth and potentially an offensive punch coming off the bench. They could also take time away from the aforementioned players as well.
 
Random memory that I have. I believe Uconn once received the same administrative technical for not having Meghan Gardner listed in the book.
I also remember UConn being called for this technical foul. I could not remember exactly which game it happened in, or the player involved. A tip of the hat for remembering it was Meghan. What I do recall is CD taking responsibility for error and saying that she would make sure it never happens again.
 
KK Arnold reminds me of Odyssey Sims during her freshman year at Baylor: size, stocky, muscular physique, talent and aggression. Looks like an All American to me.
If I was KK, I would watch videos of Jefferson's NCAA Championships. KK reminds me of a stronger, just as quick version of Moriah, possibly with more confidence when you compare them as Freshman.
 
I thought that turn around fade away was pretty sweet. Not the kind of shot you expect from a freshman. Yes it was her only f.g. but a highly skilled play.
Also... keep watching for ICE's moves with her "dominant" left hand. Of course, she'll be getting points going to
the right and to the left. Rebecca L . has made this point a number of times = i.e. most "post" players are
right-handed and tend not to do as well going to their non-dominant left side.
 
A disappointment to whom, you? Someone else? Were you expecting a double-double in her first game?

I'd like to offer another way to look at Ice's first regular season game as a Husky, as she's pretty much at the same level as the freshmen. Perhaps it was nerves. She laughed at herself for missing a layup. It's not easy playing for Geno, playing for this team. Sometimes the players make it look easy. From a post presence, Aaliyah will be the primary focus, as she's a senior, and the expectations are that she plays this well (or better) every night.

Right now, Geno & the staff are trying to figure out all the best combos of lineups, sub patterns, etc, so I didn't read much into who did what, who didn't do what, etc, etc. After last season, I've learned not to have unrealistic expectations as there is too much not in anyone's control, so last night I cheered, had a few "ughs", laughed, and enjoyed watching the team play some pretty good hoop for the first game.
Nicely stated.
 
the way i see it is that the deacon was saying azzi has the potential to be an all-american, but she hasn't been ... and yet lots of BYers are in the camp that azzi is an AA. 'taint so.

personally, i don't like giving azzi a pass while others on the team are not given full credit for their importance to the team. it minimizes their contributions: nika finally gets plaudits, as does liya, but to me aubrey deserves similar notice ... and if she's beaten the injury bug, so does caroline. azzi should get such recognition too, but many here are delusional -- not about her potential, but her actual performance. it's very good at times, but she's yet to be at aa level.

getting piping hot at times doesn't make it. hell, at times Aubrey and nika could qualify ... liya already has, like paige.

and like the deacon, i think azzi is great and i love that she's a Husky, but she's got a way to go before i'm willing to say she's AA.
I agree. Azzi is a fine, diligent player. She defends well and is solid. Her shooting, however, is grossly over-rated. One would think, based upon the commentators and talking heads, that she is 90% from three point range. Truthfully, there are probably 25 -50 guards in the country who, in the heat of games, shoot as well as she does. She gets on hot streaks, but so do others. She also goes cold. So do others. I love having her as a Husky but she is not what we were led to believe ( ie unstoppable ). Maybe in practice, But games are what matter. She isn't close to AA status.
 
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