UCONN BD of Trustes Responsibility for FB and MBB Demise?

[whaler11]

Years and years of excuses for everything around here.

Excuses for Diaco
Excuses for Ollie
Excuses for Warde
Excuses for Herbst
Excuses for Benedict

The athletic department under Herbst has become an absolute 5 alarm tire fire.

Perhaps you don’t think that matters much in the grand scheme.

That doesn’t change the fact she owns it. She owns Manuel. She owns Ollie. She owns Diaco. She owns Benedict.

She owns everything.

If SuzieLax charmed you while she was trying to extract donations that’s great. If you care about dumb magazine rankings that’s great.

If you care about the fact we may no longer have a major college athletic program within 5 years... this idea that it’s disingenous to lay the blame at her feet for something she owns is ridiculous.

We’ll see how many are left when we join the Patriot League.

 

[superjohn]

Please delineate the causative connection between improving basketball programs and UConn’s academic improvement.

And also why/how schools with limited (or no) athletics are able to improve academically

Do you seriously want to debate this one?

 

[superjohn]

Years and years of excuses for everything around here.

Excuses for Diaco
Excuses for Ollie
Excuses for Warde
Excuses for Herbst
Excuses for Benedict

The athletic department under Herbst has become an absolute 5 alarm tire fire.

Perhaps you don’t think that matters much in the grand scheme.

That doesn’t change the fact she owns it. She owns Manuel. She owns Ollie. She owns Diaco. She owns Benedict.

She owns everything.

If SuzieLax charmed you while she was trying to extract donations that’s great. If you care about dumb magazine rankings that’s great.

If you care about the fact we may no longer have a major college athletic program within 5 years... this idea that it’s disingenous to lay the blame at her feet for something she owns is ridiculous.

We’ll see how many are left when we join the Patriot League.

She's been an absolute disaster when it comes to athletics. She needs to be as far away as possible in the process of hiring the new coach.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Who said it’s the only way?

The connection is obvious. The state funded the school at a higher level because of the success of the basketball programs.

They would not have had the support in Hartford to make the investment otherwise.

Did you read his post?

He went so far as to say that there is no way that UConn can continue to improve academically specifically because of the declining AD

 

[Rocktheworld]

Do you seriously want to debate this one?

I don’t think there is much debate to be had; I just want to see his train of logic. Popcorn is ready

 

[whaler11]

Did you read his post?

He went so far as to say that there is no way that UConn can continue to improve academically specifically because of the declining AD

The school won’t improve more academically because the money is about to get shut off. That would have happened either way. Bad basketball ain’t gonna help though.

 

[JMick]

Years and years of excuses for everything around here.

Excuses for Diaco
Excuses for Ollie
Excuses for Warde
Excuses for Herbst
Excuses for Benedict

The athletic department under Herbst has become an absolute 5 alarm tire fire.

Perhaps you don’t think that matters much in the grand scheme.

That doesn’t change the fact she owns it. She owns Manuel. She owns Ollie. She owns Diaco. She owns Benedict.

She owns everything.

If SuzieLax charmed you while she was trying to extract donations that’s great. If you care about dumb magazine rankings that’s great.

If you care about the fact we may no longer have a major college athletic program within 5 years... this idea that it’s disingenous to lay the blame at her feet for something she owns is ridiculous.

We’ll see how many are left when we join the Patriot League.

Considering Susan is the only constant I'm going to give Benedict a break for a while. We'll see his worth when T3 negotiations come up and we have no leverage because we suck

 

[Rocktheworld]

The school won’t improve more academically because the money is about to get shut off. That would have happened either way.

Exactly

Bad basketball ain’t gonna help though.

Well no it won’t help

Post went way farther than that

 

[Stainmaster]

Considering Susan is the only constant I'm going to give Benedict a break for a while. We'll see his worth when T3 negotiations come up and we have no leverage because we suck

Benedict showed his worth when he drew up that extension in November 2016.

 

[JMick]

Benedict showed his worth when he drew up that extension in November 2016.

Since when did we find out the extension was Benedict's idea and not Susan's and wardes?

 

[whaler11]

Considering Susan is the only constant I'm going to give Benedict a break for a while. We'll see his worth when T3 negotiations come up and we have no leverage because we suck

The league owns all the T3 rights for football and men’s basketball.

 

[JMick]

The league owns all the T3 rights for football and men’s basketball.

For now. Isn't that up for negotiation when the league renegotiates media rights and payouts?

 

[whaler11]

For now. Isn't that up for negotiation when the league renegotiates media rights and payouts?

You think he’s got a Jedi mind trick to get the other 12 schools to take back their t3 from the league?

 

[Palatine]

It is the Connecticut economy. It is a disaster, a basket case. It not only hurts the school, it hurts the boosters and the fans. ITES.

 

[sledog]

Here's the list:

Members of the Board of Trustees | Board of Trustees

Who are these people?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Here's the list: Members of the Board of Trustees | Board of Trustees Who are these people?

Google?

 

[Da_Aisijimo_Gou]

Most of the schools seem somewhat predictable but then there are UBuffalo and Stony Brook and almost all of the UCalifornis schools. Can you shed some light on those schools and how they gained entrance?

Besides big time research @QDOG5 ?

 

[sledog]

Google?

Yeah, Yeah. Did that. But who are they that such insigs got on the board??

 

[Danzz]

Considering he never tried to get a practice facility built, not sure you can really hold that against him. Do you even know who Lou Rome was?

Yes I know who Lou Rome is: Rome, Case ,Kennelly and Klebinoff (now defunct). I've met him few times and was a nice guy. Do you know who he is? What did he ever accomplish for UConn?

 

[huskymedic]

Yes I know who Lou Rome is: Rome, Case ,Kennelly and Klebinoff (now defunct). I've met him few times and was a nice guy. Do you know who he is? What did he ever accomplish for UConn?

FWIW - It was Lewis Rome...

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

People say that but they never explain how playing in football he Big East saves our basketball program.

I for one am not going to harshly judge anyone who can't explain that sentence.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

Yes I know who Lou Rome is: Rome, Case ,Kennelly and Klebinoff (now defunct). I've met him few times and was a nice guy. Do you know who he is? What did he ever accomplish for UConn?

UConn Board Chair, during "UConn 2000" years perhaps. Ran for Governor as a Republican & was law partner of Barbara Kennelly who was Democratic US Congress member and daughter of John Bailey who was CT & national Democratic Party chairman. Probably had broad political connections.

 

[husky8273]

It wasn't that long ago that he was elected. Did he quit?

completed a 4 year term. did not run again.

replaced by Engineering Alumna Named to Board of Trustees - UConn Today

 

[BlueDogs]

Please delineate the causative connection between improving basketball programs and UConn’s academic improvement.

And also why/how schools with limited (or no) athletics are able to improve academically

You are joking right? Kids like to go to schools that bring some entertainment excitement and affiliation with winning brands. Winning brands get national air time worth tens of millions in free advertising. Winning brands show up on tee shirts and hats across the nation and beyond. It is cache. This increases free exposure and increases applicant pools. Larger applicant pools means more admission selectivity as measured by admission % rates, and average SAT scores and GPA statistics. As the school increases admissions selectivity, the school's ranking increases under the various criteria used by Forbes and USNWR. As the school's ranking increases, it creates a positive feedback loop with more highly competitive applicants seeking admission. The increase in overall quality of students entering UConn is staggeringly higher than it was in the past. It's transformed the school over the last 25 years. I know two valedictorians from highly respected high schools who ended up at UConn over Cornell in one case and over Little Ivies in another. The perceived educational value relative to cost was too good to pass up. 40% of the student body is from out if state and they could take more, but for their mandate to serve CT first. You can thank Marshsll, Hamilton, Boat, Okafor and dozens of other great players for that. In 1980, UConn was a second-thought safety State school. Not anymore. Nothing has moved the needle more than UConn winning on CBS in front of the nation.

 

[Rocktheworld]

You are joking right? Kids like to go to schools that bring some entertainment excitement and affiliation with winning brands. Winning brands get national air time worth tens of millions in free advertising. Winning brands show up on tee shirts and hats across the nation and beyond. It is cache. This increases free exposure and increases applicant pools. Larger applicant pools means more admission selectivity as measured by admission % rates, and average SAT scores and GPA statistics. As the school increases admissions selectivity, the school's ranking increases under the various criteria used by Forbes and USNWR. As the school's ranking increases, it creates a positive feedback loop with more highly competitive applicants seeking admission. The increase in overall quality of students entering UConn is staggeringly higher than it was in the past. It's transformed the school over the last 25 years. I know two valedictorians from highly respected high schools who ended up at UConn over Cornell in one case and over Little Ivies in another. The perceived educational value relative to cost was too good to pass up. 40% of the student body is from out if state and they could take more, but for their mandate to serve CT first. You can thank Marshsll, Hamilton, Boat, Okafor and dozens of other great players for that. In 1980, UConn was a second-thought safety State school. Not anymore. Nothing has moved the needle more than UConn winning on CBS in front of the nation.

lol this is about what I expected. So T-shirts and hats make competitive applicants, with their presumed choice of institution to attend, want to go to specific universities; and that starts an upward spiral effect, because "cache". And this phenomenon is why Alabama and Kentucky are academic giants... oh wait.

I just looked up the stats on your average admitted student from 2016. It's no different from what I remember from I was accepted for 2008, after which we went to a Final Four, won two championships, and had some of our greatest success on the football field. Average GPA around 3.5, average SAT about 1230. The only staggering difference I saw was cost. Easiest google stats I found on out-of state students were from 2014 (immediately following NC #4) and far fewer than 40% of students were out of state; it was barely over 20%. And most of us (I was myself) are from the Northeast. UConn is a regional school irrespective of athletics; it was not at all a factor or motivator for me enrolling. Personally, I liked UConn's engineering program, the campus, and the size of the student body. I was oblivious to UConn athletics when I enrolled. Not sure what point you were trying to make of that anyway, or whose ass you pulled that stat out of.

Might want to find the Enter key from time to time by the way.

 

[Danzz]

UConn Board Chair, during "UConn 2000" years perhaps. Ran for Governor as a Republican & was law partner of Barbara Kennelly who was Democratic US Congress member and daughter of John Bailey who was CT & national Democratic Party chairman. Probably had broad political connections.

He was not a law partner of Barbara Kennelly, he was a law partner of John Kennelly, Barbara's husband. Either way Rome was connected through both parties.

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

He was not a law partner of Barbara Kennelly, he was a law partner of John Kennelly, Barbara's husband. Either way Rome was connected through both parties.

Thanks for the correction.

I lived out of state during all this time, so I made the assumption based on the puzzling sign I passed on Farmington Ave on visits to family, who coincidentally lived near Case.

Fwiw, one of Rome's Bloomfield street neighbors was president of the UConn Foundation and a Democrat.

And Klebanoff might have been chair of Public Utilities during the time of heightened Millstone nuclear power concerns pre- & post-Three Mile Island?

 

[Pudge]

Part of what the OP misses is that the Athletic Excellence that is UConn is pure happenstance? Or is it? When you place your Program in Randy Edsall's hands, that is a strong statement that you will let one man guide a large part of your future Brand through the next years. Kevin Ollie? We are a basketball school. Geno Auriemma, Nancy Stevens, Jim Pender, Mike Cavanaugh. You need the Bell Cow to lead you and Kevin is failing. There's no way Geno ... and Jim Calhoun from out in the woods ... Dee Rowe ... and, all the many UConn related folks who prospered through a remarkable 30 year run, are going to stand for a diminished Program in MBB.

The OP turns on the reasoning that Ollie in 2017-2018 was absolutely predictable fail. And, I think myself and many others are keen observers of CBB; we did not see this 18 months ago. You evaluate and make change as needed.

 

[coachn]

How do BD of Trustes members get appointed? Is it political-didn't Rowland appoint L McH. The buck stops at the top. We need connected,moving,shaking ,vision driven people on B of T.. Don't the B of Ts have to ultimately approve of everything? They have overseen the demise that is FB and MBB.

 

[coachn]

How do BD of Trustes members get appointed? Is it political-didn't Rowland appoint L McH. The buck stops at the top. We need connected,moving,shaking ,vision driven people on B of T.. Don't the B of Ts have to ultimately approve of everything? They have overseen the demise that is FB and MBB.