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I wouldn't underestimate the angst amongst the talking heads and P5 honchos for the LSU vs. UCF game. LSU running attack and defense could beat up UCF but there is also some possibility that UCF's offense runs/passes all around LSU defense and makes it a big win for UCF and their 2nd string QB. Oklahoma whip Alabama with big score also and get "so big bad SEC defenses can't handle REAL offenses". That would be fun.
I'm counting on Clemson really beating up ND to show how poor the "selection" process is vs. team's ability. That there was NO debate on ND getting in and have them lose big and much debate on Oklahoma and they win would show how weak their "eye test" is.
Like all good con men, the talking heads would still have a NARRATIVE to explain away this type of debacle.
 
polycom said:
This ucf love is hilarious. They could win with their starting qb but a backup? Come on
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Maybe LSU shows up; perhaps not, and the same applies to Central Florida. Maybe Mack's 4 running TDs, 2 passing TDs, and decent completion % against Memphis and prior back up play mean nothing. Or, perhaps the guy's pretty good and contributes to a good effort and a win or loss against a decent LSU opponent. Who knows, it's funny bowl season time. TBD 1/1/19!
 
Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
Maybe LSU shows up; perhaps not, and the same applies to Central Florida. Maybe Mack's 4 running TDs, 2 passing TDs, and decent completion % against Memphis and prior back up play mean nothing. Or, perhaps the guy's pretty good and contributes to a good effort and a win or loss against a decent LSU opponent. Who knows, it's funny bowl season time. TBD 1/1/19!
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So now we are comparing LSU and Memphis, okay.
 
Dooley said:
Agreed. Notre Dame getting into the Playoff with 12 games versus everyone else's 13 cements their independence for the foreseeable future. Committee really dropped the ball here. Ohio State's 12 wins were far more impressive than Notre Dame's 12 wins.

Aside: the Big 12 must be seeing red right now. They fought hard against having a Championship Game for the last 6 years or so. They were constantly told that the 13th data point was so important and that their round robin champion was not as impressive as other conferences' championship game champions. The Big 12 flirted with expansion just to add members to create a championship game but ultimately decided that playing 2 marquee games, even if it's a rematch, would be better. And in Year ONE of Big 12 CCG in the new CPB Playoff era, all that championship game / 13th data point was washed away like a fart in the breeze to put in 12 game Notre Dame (with a mediocre schedule).

The Sweetheart Deals continue for Notre Dame. It really pays to be a founding member of college football's Old Money Club.
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Ohio State could not get past a 29 point drubbing by 6-6 Purdue.
 
TerryD said:
Ohio State could not get past a 29 point drubbing by 6-6 Purdue.
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Yup. It's just a shame that the Committee caved hard here. Notre Dame's resume is not impressive whatsoever but you're right, one bad game against Purdue ultimately did Ohio State in. And Notre Dame beat all the cupcakes they had on their schedule, albeit some with a greater degree of difficulty than others (ex- Ball State). But I do understand that this Playoff is first and foremost all about money. And if they can spread around the opportunities for its Old Money Club members, they'll try. This just happened to be a good year to sneak Notre Dame in to keep them happy. In other years, there may not be that opportunity. The only real Old Money Club member who had a case over Notre Dame was Ohio State. And you see that they conveniently slotted them down to "6th" behind a 2-loss SEC team so that there can't be any questioning of the scam rankings.

Just hope the Playoff is expanded soon so that college football can, one day, get to a point where an actual champion is crowned on the field and not in popularity polls. Until then, the scam continues I suppose.
 
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An FBS school wins 25 games in a row, including beating a team they could not possibly match against in the big bad SEC and yet they don’t make the cut. The CFP is an un-American cartel. I don’t care what anybody says about quality, etc...it’s fundamentally wrong. The reason why the NCAA basketball championship is so popular is because it is about merit and giving teams a chance to show they do belong. This nonsense is designed to control the market, recruiting talent and dollars. It is the height of corruption. Guarantee UCF would out gun a terrible OU defense.
 
Dooley said:
Yup. It's just a shame that the Committee caved hard here. Notre Dame's resume is not impressive whatsoever but you're right, one bad game against Purdue ultimately did Ohio State in. And Notre Dame beat all the cupcakes they had on their schedule, albeit some with a greater degree of difficulty than others (ex- Ball State)
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Notre Dame's schedule was only weak because the teams on there had down seasons. Let's not act like they played a MAC schedule. Stanford, USC, VT, and FSU were supposed to be better. They did play at Northwestern and Syracuse was better than expected. There schedule did not turn out strong, wasn't cupcake either. ND most years play a fairly difficult schedule. If you want to make it about not having to play a 13th game, that's fair.
 
NC_Uconn_Fan said:
Notre Dame's schedule was only weak because the teams on there had down seasons. Let's not act like they played a MAC schedule. Stanford, USC, VT, and FSU were supposed to be better. They did play at Northwestern and Syracuse was better than expected. There schedule did not turn out strong, wasn't cupcake either. ND most years play a fairly difficult schedule. If you want to make it about not having to play a 13th game, that's fair.
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And in most years when Notre Dame plays a fairly difficult schedule, they lose.

When you only schedule 12 games, that's the risk you take. You're banking on at least half the schedule being strong. Your chances should be more limited if you want to play 12 than if you play 13. You either:
1. run the table against a strong 12 game schedule (was not the case);
2. play a 13th game.

Notre Dame played 12 games against mostly competition in "down years". Notre Dame's only impressive win was a close win in week 1 against Michigan. The same team that Ohio State pummeled not too long ago. Notre Dame's only other significant win - against Northwestern - was also overshadowed by Ohio State. Meanwhile, UCF hasn't lost in 2 years and they can't even crack the serious "also receiving votes category".

I just want to know how Notre Dame's 2018 schedule was any different than UCF's schedule when the "marquee" names on it are ALL in down years? Not to mention, UCF played one more game than Notre Dame and they won that too.

The Big 12 just got a Championship Game shoved down their throats after years of fighting tooth and nail against it. They were told the 13th data point was important. It's clearly not. What's most important is the name of your school. If you are Notre Dame or Alabama, you can play 12 games and get in. Everyone else can go punt. I just don't know how Notre Dame got elevated to that status. Like I said in the first sentence, when Notre Dame plays against good teams, they lose. And they are going to lose big against Clemson.
 
Dooley said:
Agreed. Notre Dame getting into the Playoff with 12 games versus everyone else's 13 cements their independence for the foreseeable future. Committee really dropped the ball here. Ohio State's 12 wins were far more impressive than Notre Dame's 12 wins.

Aside: the Big 12 must be seeing red right now. They fought hard against having a Championship Game for the last 6 years or so. They were constantly told that the 13th data point was so important and that their round robin champion was not as impressive as other conferences' championship game champions. The Big 12 flirted with expansion just to add members to create a championship game but ultimately decided that playing 2 marquee games, even if it's a rematch, would be better. And in Year ONE of Big 12 CCG in the new CPB Playoff era, all that championship game / 13th data point was washed away like a fart in the breeze to put in 12 game Notre Dame (with a mediocre schedule).

The Sweetheart Deals continue for Notre Dame. It really pays to be a founding member of college football's Old Money Club.
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BTW this was the second year the Big 12 has had a championship game and in both years OU not only won the game and made the CFP, and I'm fairly certain the conference made a few dollars on the event as well. They also didn't fight hard against having a championship game as they had one for years before realignment left them with only 10 teams which meant by NCAA rule they weren't allowed to have a CCG as the requirement was a minimum of 12 teams. The received a waiver to bring back a CCG beginning in 2017 which is what they wanted all along. All that "One true champion" nonsense was nothing but BS because they had no other option.
 
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Dooley said:
And in most years when Notre Dame plays a fairly difficult schedule, they lose.

When you only schedule 12 games, that's the risk you take. You're banking on at least half the schedule being strong. Your chances should be more limited if you want to play 12 than if you play 13. You either:
1. run the table against a strong 12 game schedule (was not the case);
2. play a 13th game.

Notre Dame played 12 games against mostly competition in "down years". Notre Dame's only impressive win was a close win in week 1 against Michigan. The same team that Ohio State pummeled not too long ago. Notre Dame's only other significant win - against Northwestern - was also overshadowed by Ohio State. Meanwhile, UCF hasn't lost in 2 years and they can't even crack the serious "also receiving votes category".

I just want to know how Notre Dame's 2018 schedule was any different than UCF's schedule when the "marquee" names on it are ALL in down years? Not to mention, UCF played one more game than Notre Dame and they won that too.

The Big 12 just got a Championship Game shoved down their throats after years of fighting tooth and nail against it. They were told the 13th data point was important. It's clearly not. What's most important is the name of your school. If you are Notre Dame or Alabama, you can play 12 games and get in. Everyone else can go punt. I just don't know how Notre Dame got elevated to that status. Like I said in the first sentence, when Notre Dame plays against good teams, they lose. And they are going to lose big against Clemson.
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Not a Notre Dame fan but they did pound Cuse which is a good win. I know some hate them but they won out and should be in the playoffs as should UCF
 
Dooley said:
And in most years when Notre Dame plays a fairly difficult schedule, they lose.

When you only schedule 12 games, that's the risk you take. You're banking on at least half the schedule being strong. Your chances should be more limited if you want to play 12 than if you play 13. You either:
1. run the table against a strong 12 game schedule (was not the case);
2. play a 13th game.

Notre Dame played 12 games against mostly competition in "down years". Notre Dame's only impressive win was a close win in week 1 against Michigan. The same team that Ohio State pummeled not too long ago. Notre Dame's only other significant win - against Northwestern - was also overshadowed by Ohio State. Meanwhile, UCF hasn't lost in 2 years and they can't even crack the serious "also receiving votes category".

I just want to know how Notre Dame's 2018 schedule was any different than UCF's schedule when the "marquee" names on it are ALL in down years? Not to mention, UCF played one more game than Notre Dame and they won that too.

The Big 12 just got a Championship Game shoved down their throats after years of fighting tooth and nail against it. They were told the 13th data point was important. It's clearly not. What's most important is the name of your school. If you are Notre Dame or Alabama, you can play 12 games and get in. Everyone else can go punt. I just don't know how Notre Dame got elevated to that status. Like I said in the first sentence, when Notre Dame plays against good teams, they lose. And they are going to lose big against Clemson.
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Michigan hardly had a "down" year. They finished at #7. Stanford was #7 when ND played them. VT was ranked too, as was Syracuse. FSU and USC certainly were down, but you schedule these games years in advance, and those are hardly "cupcakes". Pitt was in the ACC title game, Northwestern in the B1G title game. Notre Dame likely played more bowl teams than the others did. Alabama generally plays a terrible OOC schedule.

Notre Dame belongs in. Does UCF? It's unfair that they haven't managed to get in despite two years without a loss. But are they a top 4 team based on who they beat? No, probably not. We need this playoff to expand to 6 teams. The cancellation of the UNC game didn't help UCF.

What does UCF need to do? Get Florida Atlantic and South Carolina State off the schedule and replace them with stronger teams. They can't afford a cupcake filled non conference schedule like Alabama can.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
Michigan hardly had a "down" year. They finished at #7. Stanford was #7 when ND played them. VT was ranked too, as was Syracuse. FSU and USC certainly were down, but you schedule these games years in advance, and those are hardly "cupcakes". Pitt was in the ACC title game, Northwestern in the B1G title game. Notre Dame likely played more bowl teams than the others did. Alabama generally plays a terrible OOC schedule.

Notre Dame belongs in. Does UCF? It's unfair that they haven't managed to get in despite two years without a loss. But are they a top 4 team based on who they beat? No, probably not. We need this playoff to expand to 6 teams. The cancellation of the UNC game didn't help UCF.

What does UCF need to do? Get Florida Atlantic and South Carolina State off the schedule and replace them with stronger teams. They can't afford a cupcake filled non conference schedule like Alabama can.
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If it were 8 teams UCF would be ranked 10th or so. The cartel would not let them in. Same excuse...schedule etc.
 
uconnfan68 said:
Pitt
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Agree. Also, ND won 5 games by one score or less (7,8,5,5,7 point wins). That's less than the refereeing advantage they get each game. I remember the 2 calls against UConn before we scored the touchdown in regulation.

It's never clear until teams play and since they play only once it only proves who wins that game. Don't think Auburn was expecting to lose to UCF last year, don't think LSU really likes all the pressure of upholding the P5 and SEC "REP" against this G5 outsider.

Let's revisit after see how Clemson and LSU games shake out. LSU may not be Clemson but they did beat a Georgia team that had Alabama on the ropes. Not predicting Clemson and UCF wins but would not be surprised if they both win, and it isn't close in either game.
 
Clemson will bury ND and lay bare the distorted criteria used to pick these teams.
 
The SEC's Greg Sankey was being a bit self-serving in this clip blaming UCF for not playing a harder schedule.

SEC commish: UCF should fix issue, stop blaming

Its much tougher to schedule OCC football games that basketball simply due to the number games available. Plus, UCF has stated it is willing to play whomever while the SEC has been very reluctant to play in the sandbox on a fair basis, including Alabama. The Tide typically schedule a competitive game at a neutral site (where the Tide are usually closer to than their opponent) early in the season and then a bunch of lower tier teams later on to provide breaks during SEC play. In 6 seasons, they have not played a top P5 team on the road during the regular season. Also, while the top of the SEC is really good, the bottom is not great. Here's Alabama's OCC schedule since 2013:
  • 2013: 1) Virginia Tech in Atlanta, 2) Colorado State home, 3) Georgia State home, 4) Tennessee-Chattanooga home
  • 2014: 1) West Virginia in Atlanta, 2) Florida Atlantic, 3) Southern Mississippi, 4) Western Carolina
  • 2015: 1) Wisconsin in Dallas, 2) Middle-Tennessee, 3) Louisiana-Monroe, 4) Charleston Southern
  • 2016: 1) USC in Dallas, 2) Western Kentucky home, 3) Kent State home, 4) Tennessee-Chattanooga home
  • 2017:1) Florida St. in Atlanta, 2) Fresno St, 3) Colorado St, 4) Mercer
  • 2018: 1) Louisville in Orlando, 2) Arkansas St home, 3) Louisiana at Lafayette home, 4) Citadel home
  • 2019: 1) Duke in Atlanta, 2) New Mexico St, 3) Southern Mississippi, 4) Western Carolina
Wow, that's a tough OCC schedule. LOL. UCF's OCC schedule, i.e. the part it can control, is better. Maybe the Tide should lay-off trashing BCS/I-AA teams and instead put it on the lien and play at game againts UCF. Figure it out on the field. Just like the SEC did with their basketball conference.
 
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I like Dari Nowkhah’s take on this. Dig up every email response/declined invite for OOC matchups that UCF has received over the years - and publish them...publicly shame these programs. Be transparant. Let the committee and the public see exactly who has said no. I’d love that!
 
Tex-Lager93 said:
I like Dari Nowkhah’s take on this. Dig up every email response/declined invite for OOC matchups that UCF has received over the years - and publish them...publicly shame these programs. Be transparant. Let the committee and the public see exactly who has said no. I’d love that!
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Would be interesting to see. UCFs schedule is not a result of themselves, but more so a result of the teams who turn them down.

Edit: to a point, I wonder how much UCF is demanding in these interactions. Are they turning down 2 for 1s, 1 offs and demanding a home and home or a series or are they willing to play anything and still getting shut down. I wouldn’t be shocked if they were being stubborn in turning down games not on their terms.
 
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Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Would be interesting to see. UCFs schedule is not a result of themselves, but more so a result of the teams who turn them down.

Edit: to a point, I wonder how much UCF is demanding in these interactions.
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Well, let's think about this. When the Big12 was looking to expand, they were an active participant in trying to get in. That means "yes" they are trying to demand these interactions.

And if the NCAA wants to demand equality in scheduling, then those hypocrites should also demand equality in conferences. Easy thing to fix if it's actually a concern.

It's not a concern, of course. It's a tool to use in order to keep certain schools down...
 
Dream Jobbed 2.0 said:
Would be interesting to see. UCFs schedule is not a result of themselves, but more so a result of the teams who turn them down.

Edit: to a point, I wonder how much UCF is demanding in these interactions. Are they turning down 2 for 1s, 1 offs and demanding a home and home or a series or are they willing to play anything and still getting shut down. I wouldn’t be shocked if they were being stubborn in turning down games not on their terms.
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USF actually feared adding UCF to the Big East/AAC. UCF is quite high on itself, for whatever reasons.
 
Butch said:
USF actually feared adding UCF to the Big East/AAC. UCF is quite high on itself, for whatever reasons.
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Well, UCF hadn't beaten them prior to joining. Now, UCF has won 4 of the 6 games against them since being added, so I guess USF was right to be afraid...
 
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Butch said:
USF actually feared adding UCF to the Big East/AAC. UCF is quite high on itself, for whatever reasons.
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26 - 0 in Football maybe? We think UConn should get a B10 bid being the worst team in Div 1.
 
Sky ball said:
26 - 0 in Football maybe? We think UConn should get a B10 bid being the worst team in Div 1.
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We better hope Edsall builds this program back to respectability.
 
Mr. Conehead said:
Damn right ; but, finding the best team is what matters in FCS. In FBS, or whatever its called nowadays, its about the money and the ego.

I did see that UMaine trashed Jacksonville St. A Florida team playing in Maine in December, now that's home field advantage. Oh, where's our old friend from James Madison? The Dukes got beat by Colgate, who will now be given the opportunity to not get crushed by North Dakota St.
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My wife's family and I (hey have to root for an old Yankee rival) are happy as U Maine went out to Utah and upset Weber St. 23-18. They are off to their first ever D-1AA semi-final. Good for them. I caught the second half of the game and their 'Black Hole' defense is really good. Maybe UConn should look to hire their DC?

Not surprisingly, North Dakota St. crushed Colgate 35-0. So, its South Dakota St at North Dakota St and Maine at Eastern Washington (on their red turf field) in the semi-finals (Orono ME to Spokane WA, there's a long road-trip). The end result will be a undisputed 1-AA football champion as 24 teams were invited with only the Ivy League (by choice) not participating.
 
It would be easier to just use common sense, like the committee is supposed to do. A team thst hasn't lost a game since 2016 is probably one of the 4 best teams.
 
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