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superjohn said:
Were you a Joey Crawford fan by chance?
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If you can’t live with the level of officiating tonight you need to find a new hobby. The only specific call anyone is crying about is the second T and the more I watch it the more deserved it is.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
I didn't think either deserved the second T to be honest. I don't know the rule book verbatim, but felt like the dual technicals should have just ended it.
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We don’t know what they said. Hurley did start to block his mouth before he pretended shock.
 
superjohn said:
Calhoun, K, Knight, Boeheim, Pitino etc.
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They did their effective work during games, not after. And what they did worked. What Hurley is doing is not working. I believe it’s actually hurting. He’s like the boy who cried “Wolf” because he overreacts to everything. More like a fan than a coach.
 
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That’s BS and I don’t like that he’s trying to sell it , it wasn’t “We”. everyone saw the game Haith was very reluctant and slow to finally accept the shake. That was all Hurley.
For a hot minute I thought I was watching a pro wrestling match where the heel sticks out his hand and then tricks the baby face.

So cringey
 
im all in on hurley, but that was a weird exchange overall. lots of second-hand embarrassment here
 
8893 said:
They did their effective work during games, not after. And what they did worked. What Hurley is doing is not working. I believe it’s actually hurting. He’s like the boy who cried “Wolf” because he overreacts to everything. More like a fan than a coach.
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Are you claiming those guys and other top coaches never called refs out to the media?
 
August_West said:
That’s BS and I don’t like that he’s trying to sell it , it wasn’t “We”. everyone saw the game Haith was very reluctant and slow to finally accept the shake. That was all Hurley.
For a hot minute I thought I was watching a pro wrestling match where the heel sticks out his hand and then tricks the baby face.

So cringey
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Our mutual friend who shares your birthday is not unlike him in some ways. It’s not fake; it’s just mercurial. They flare and then realize they were idiots and try to smooth it over.
 
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Huskyforlife said:
He's gonna have to learn how to work the officials. It's great that he's animated and in their ear, but he goes 100 miles per hour for the entirety of every game. I trust he'll learn.
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Wonder if sitting on your hands is more effective. Again. Not an Ollie liver. But not a hater. He should have st least tried more. I am just seeing the same results with minimal change.
 
superjohn said:
Are you claiming those guys and other top coaches never called refs out to the media?
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No. I’m saying that that’s not when they won the battles with the refs. When they won, they learned how to work them effectively in the games, not after. Calhoun was physically intimidating. Knight was intimidating to everyone, in a different era when he could be. K earned it with wins. Hurley hasn’t firgured it out. He has made himself a target. And his post-game rants aren’t going to change anything. He needs to pick his battles, plain and simple.
 
Something needs to be done about the refs. It's a one month sport for most so they get away with it, but for the more hardcore fans its ruining it.
 
gampelcrazies said:
You're right. He should sit on his hands and watch call after call go against UConn. In fact he shouldn't sit on his hands, he should applaud them.
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Down with strategic Ts all day. But stop whining and start adjusting. We have all mentioned concern withbsecind half and first half ending debacles. Get a plan together with this great staff we have. Recruiting doesn’t matter if they aren’t winning.
 
8893 said:
No. I’m saying that that’s not when they won the battles with the refs. When they won, they learned how to work them effectively in the games, not after. Calhoun was physically intimidating. Knight was intimidating to everyone, in a different era when he could be. K earned it with wins. Hurley hasn’t firgured it out. He has made himself a target. And his post-game rants aren’t going to change anything. He needs to pick his battles, plain and simple.
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Hurley has tripled down on what isn’t working.

He’s gone from his stares from the opposite logo at timeouts. To ranting and raving. To beefs with the other bench. To making a post game statement so ridiculous the league is going to call Diamond Dave (probably won’t find him).

Guy your team sucks - pick your spots.
 
Just watched the game on WatchESPN. Glad I forgot about as I would have hated to waste 2 hours watching this team tonight. LOL!

Truly embarrassing performance defensively by both the bigs and the guards. Our bigs just suck. If Tulsa can dominate us inside we better get some bigs in soon if we ever want to improve. We also need better shooters. Polley is just a waster of a scholarship at this time and Carlton isn't much better. Gilbert still driving too far inside and is just not that great. I know he is basically a Freshman but I was hoping for more intelligence on the court. Jalen needs to be the Alpha dog from tip and not wait for other players to get into the game. We don't have the talent on this team to do it. We really need to get some bigs and guards that will play a lick of defense. I don't think we are making the NIT this season. I think we will be a bottom 4 team in this league which is truly embarrassing and I expected a smarter team on the floor this year from Hurley.
 
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auror said:
I'm a numbers guy.

I don't trust those numbers. He plays primarily against scrub teams and against bench units this year. He's played 6% of the minutes. It's just a silly amount of time to use any sort of stat, ESPECIALLY defensive stats, and even further defensive stats that rely on box score contributions only.

From the creator of the stat:


Last year he got a majority of his minutes from the Coppin St. game to the Wichita St. game. UConn went 6-10 during that stretch (and 4-8 in games he started). He had a sub 10% dreb% last year, which doesn't exactly address one of the main concerns we have with playing small this year (For context, Vital's rate is double that).

So yes, he blocks a couple shots, which looks nice to rate-oriented defensive box score stats.

Do you know what I trust more than those stats? 2 straight coaches who have seen what he offers in practice and on tape from games and sits him on the pine and plays him 2-3 minutes a game.
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Agree about this year but he played 14 mins a game last year - much of it in conference play and not vs cupcakes - plenty of time to make his strong defensive numbers significant. And his D passes the eye test - he’s a very good shotblocker and that’s where we’re deficient.

Also, KO observed him and obviously came to the conclusion he had something given he played 14 mpg as a freshman. I’m not sure Hurley has come to the conclusion that Whaley is not good. I suspect missing much of November due to his ankle injury didn’t help his standing this year. I hope Hurley at some point gives him 15-20 mpg for 3 or 4 games in a row to see what he has.
 
whaler11 said:
The season is 40+ games and the games are 40 minutes.

1. Save your over the top reactions for calls that are actually both bad and impact the outcome of the game.

2. When you make a fool of yourself.. dont fake apologize and blame the refs.
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And uncooly grab the other guys hand.
 
It's going to be interesting after Cronin's run in with the official getting tossed last night and now this. 3 coaches tossed in two days. Someone in the league office will be busy tomorrow.
 
When you routinely lose games you focus on the refs. Officiating was bad in years we won National Championships too but when you win no one cares.

Officiating is bad. Hurley is over the top which isn't helping him. And the team isn't winning.
 
Devland said:
Imagine if the internet was a prevalent Calhoun's first year. Wouldn't it be fun to read the 1986-87 version of the boneyard to see what fans were saying about Calhoun during his 9-19 season?
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You do have to remember that that was in the old Big East, a year or two after 3 or the 4 Final Four teams came from the conference.
 
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8893 said:
No. I’m saying that that’s not when they won the battles with the refs. When they won, they learned how to work them effectively in the games, not after. Calhoun was physically intimidating. Knight was intimidating to everyone, in a different era when he could be. K earned it with wins. Hurley hasn’t firgured it out. He has made himself a target. And his post-game rants aren’t going to change anything. He needs to pick his battles, plain and simple.
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That's fair enough but that stuff comes with time. I doubt Calhoun was winning those battles when he first came to UConn from Northeastern. I don't see this as a postgame rant, it was a bush league move by a bush league ref in a bush league conference. It even happens every once in a blue moon at the highest level (Joey Crawford kicking Duncan out of the game for laughing) but the refs are consistently awful in our league. You aren't supposed to notice the refs, they are one of the major stories most nights in our league.
 
MervthePurvis said:
Down with strategic Ts all day. But stop whining and start adjusting. We have all mentioned concern withbsecind half and first half ending debacles. Get a plan together with this great staff we have. Recruiting doesn’t matter if they aren’t winning.
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While I'll agree Hurley is extreme at times. I think people are going overboard with all of this. You're not going to see a lot of adjustments because we simply don't have the talent. I think as his recruits start rolling in, these sideline tactics will go away.
 
ASweet3781 said:
When you routinely lose games you focus on the refs. Officiating was bad in years we won National Championships too but when you win no one cares.

Officiating is bad. Hurley is over the top which isn't helping him. And the team isn't winning.
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Ehh, I mean my joy for the championships outweighs the refs so in that sense you're right. But as a fan of the sport I certainly wouldn't say I didn't notice or care. Reffing at high levels is a hard job, and every league has it's issues. But what's going on now in college basketball is unacceptable.
 
3rdbass said:
I don't see it. Maybe we wouldn't have been blown out by 20 points plus but probably the same record give or take one extra loss.
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I don't think we win as many games because I think we would have had a worse roster. Think certain players would have left.
 
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