Transfer thread

[sivad40]

Taya Reimer-ND
Lexie Brown Maryland
Kiara Leslie-Maryland
Destiny Slocum-Maryland
Sierra Calhoun-Duke
Azura Stevens-Duke
Mariya Moore-Louisville
Alexus Jennings- Kentucky
Te'a Cooper -South Carolina
Beatrice Mompremier -Baylor
All fit your criteria.
I would also add in Jordan Nixon, and Danielle Patterson both of who definitely would have been starting for ND this past season had they not transferred. The part about great coach might be suspect in the case of Duke's JPM but it has happened before many times.

Kiara Leslie wasn't a full time starter at the time she left Maryland (she started 7 out of 67 games, averaged 10 and 11 minutes in two seasons) and was out her entire junior season due to an injury. Brenda told her she probably wouldn't get as much playing time as she wanted due to the incoming recruits so she transferred to NC. State.

Kiara Leslie - Women's Basketball - University of Maryland Athletics

Kiara Leslie (2) Guard - Academic All-Big Ten (2016, 2017) Frese on Leslie: “Unfortunately, Kiara suffered a tough injury during the offseason and

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Lexie Brown probably would've never left Maryland if Maryland had stayed in the ACC.

Beatrice Mompremier lost her starting job after 10 games in sophomore season

Beatrice Mompremier

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[DEpup]

.I don't think Geno is the kind of coach that allows his players to tell him where they should play....................if she's really looking to be a 6'4" outside in player she doesn't appear to be a good fit at UConn at least based on the Azura Stevens experiment...........

Maybe she just wants to be a UConn type PF in the Stewie, Tuck, and Collier mold where they operate all over the floor. Whaf I heard from the father is she wanted to expand her which to me doesn't mean she wanted to play exclusively on the perimeter.

 

[triaddukefan]

perplexed why Duke came up in this thread.

Guess I'll have to read through these 8 plus pages.... lemme go get some carbs

 

[oldude]

Demonstrably and emphatically false!

Really? Now you're trying to gaslight everyone.

For the record, 2015-16 was Reimer's last season at ND. She had quit once during the 2014 season for 2 games but then returned. She had also battled through a history of Achilles injuries. In 2015 Reimer played in only 6 games at ND, starting none and averaging just over 15 mpg. She left the team in December for personal reasons. MM left the door open for her to return, but she elected to transfer to MI St.

As for Mompremier, she started the first ten games of the 2016-17 season for Baylor. From that point on, Mompremier did not start another game for the Lady Bears. In the 11th game, Kadijiah Cave started at center. Both Kalani Brown and Lauren Cox had more minutes off the bench than Mompremier. Eventually, Brown earned the starting spot from Cave, with Cox first off the bench.

I know you like to research this stuff, so don't take my word for it. All you have to do is go to the ND and Baylor WBB websites and the facts are right there for you to look at.

 

[FanFromMaine]

Kinda like Colt 45 Malt Liquor! In the dull and commonplace ocurrences of day to day living, one thing stands out as a completely unique experieince...

Wow, are we dating ourselves!

 

[FanFromMaine]

Princeton like the other Ivy League schools only provide scholarships based on Financial Need. They don't award athletic scholarships.

I’m sorry to disappoint but my school, Yale, gave out athletic scholarships. Every school does. They were just not always called athletic scholarships.

 

[Bama fan]

Wow, are we dating ourselves!

My dating days are well over! Ask my loving wife.

 

[oldude]

I’m sorry to disappoint but my school, Yale, gave out athletic scholarships. Every school does. They were just not always called athletic scholarships.

All Ivy scholarships are need based only. They require applicants to file a financial aid form, which includes copies of parents tax records. Scholarship packages typically include 3 components: direct aid, student loans & work-study. The nice thing about the Ivies is that with their huge endowments, every student who is accepted, regardless of their financial status, is provided with a financial aid package sufficient to cover their tuition, room & fees after accounting for the amount their family must contribute. Athletes and non-Athletes are all treated the same when it comes to the Ivies.

 

[FanFromMaine]

All Ivy scholarships are need based only. They require applicants to file a financial aid form, which includes copies of parents tax records. Scholarship packages typically include 3 components: direct aid, student loans & work-study. The nice thing about the Ivies is that with their huge endowments, every student who is accepted, regardless of their financial status, is provided with a financial aid package sufficient to cover their tuition, room & fees after accounting for the amount their family must contribute. Athletes and non-Athletes are all treated the same when it comes to the Ivies.

In specific terms of money, you are clearly more informed than me. But the complicating factor is that athletes are eligible for the money because they are athletes the school wants.

As with all schools as you well know athletes are governed by different admission rules. It is in this context that I call the aid received an “athletic scholarship.”

 

[oldude]

In specific terms of money, you are clearly more informed than me. But the complicating factor is that athletes are eligible for the money because they are athletes the school wants.

As with all schools as you well know athletes are governed by different admission rules. It is in this context that I call the aid received an “athletic scholarship.”

Two different things. If you are a star HS football or basketball player, that is one criteria that can positively impact your acceptance to an Ivy League school. But the same thing is also true if you’re a talented musician.

But when it comes to financial aid, athletes and non-athletes both go through the exact same process at the Ivies to determine whether or not they are eligible for a scholarship and the amount of that scholarship.

 

[Go/huskies]

.I don't think Geno is the kind of coach that allows his players to tell him where they should play....................if she's really looking to be a 6'4" outside in player she doesn't appear to be a good fit at UConn at least based on the Azura Stevens experiment...........

Z was the tallest player on the team at the time, and really had to play center out of necessity, she was still allowed to fire away from deep, drift out on to the wing, and listed as a Forward/ Guard on the UConn roster, the only thing she didn’t do here was bring the ball up court I believe. Austin would be playing next to a true center in Liv at UConn, something Maryland doesn’t have, and with Reece coming in who will slide right into the four where Charles was playing, would have kept Austin in the post.

 

[rvwsleep]

Z was the tallest player on the team at the time, and really had to play center out of necessity, she was still allowed to fire away from deep, drift out on to the wing, and listed as a Forward/ Guard on the UConn roster, the only thing she didn’t do here was bring the ball up court I believe. Austin would be playing next to a true center in Liv at UConn, something Maryland doesn’t have, and with Reece coming in who will slide right into the four where Charles was playing, would have kept Austin in the post.

I was contemplating the same situation. Only 1 player is going to be in the low post on most possessions. That could be Liv.
If Austin really has an outside game, she could be used the way Stewie was when Tuck posted up.
If not, we can wait for CC.

 

[Charliebball]

Z was the tallest player on the team at the time, and really had to play center out of necessity, she was still allowed to fire away from deep, drift out on to the wing, and listed as a Forward/ Guard on the UConn roster, the only thing she didn’t do here was bring the ball up court I believe. Austin would be playing next to a true center in Liv at UConn, something Maryland doesn’t have, and with Reece coming in who will slide right into the four where Charles was playing, would have kept Austin in the post.

understood but while ONO is considered a center she's in need of help from the four on the boards and if Austin fancies herself more of a wing that's not going to fill UConn's biggest need............they need a player who enjoys rebounding and spending a good amount of time in and around the lane..........Stevens was a far more accomplished outside shooter then Austin and yet Geno forced her to stay closer to the basket where she was far more effective when her outside shot failed her.......

 

[DeeHusky]

Geno is not that type of coach you are correct. There is a flip side to that equation though, Geno also challenges his players to do things that they are not comfortable with doing & always for the benefit of the team. If Austin truly wants to expand her game, there is no better coach.

I think UConn is a good fit for the same reasons. Imo, she is not an imposing, immovable dominant 5 like Tina Charles was in her UConn days, Dolson, or an Alaina Coates or Griner or Brown type player. At times I watched Maryland, she would miss chippies and layups or just not appearing to be strong on the inside. She’s more of a 4 with good shot blocking skills. My only concern is this perimeter playing she wants, I haven’t seen her shoot any outside shots

 

[rvwsleep]

understood but while ONO is considered a center she's in need of help from the four on the boards and if Austin fancies herself more of a wing that's not going to fill UConn's biggest need............they need a player who enjoys rebounding and spending a good amount of time in and around the lane..........Stevens was a far more accomplished outside shooter then Austin and yet Geno forced her to stay closer to the basket where she was far more effective when her outside shot failed her.......

Two different parts in play here, Offense and Defense.
According to her father, she wants to expand her game. That generally means on offense. IF she's effective offensively from the perimeter, that's fine, I'm all in.
If not... next.

 

[oldude]

Z was the tallest player on the team at the time, and really had to play center out of necessity, she was still allowed to fire away from deep, drift out on to the wing, and listed as a Forward/ Guard on the UConn roster, the only thing she didn’t do here was bring the ball up court I believe. Austin would be playing next to a true center in Liv at UConn, something Maryland doesn’t have, and with Reece coming in who will slide right into the four where Charles was playing, would have kept Austin in the post.

Interesting that you mention Reese coming in at MD. She’s made it very clear that she thinks she’s a guard. Considering that Austin appears to be leaving because she doesn’t want to play center, Brenda may have yet another battle on her hands to convince Reese to play forward.

 

[Huskie02]

You answered your own question. The player has to ask that question. Unfortunately the Coach is looking for a signature and, from what I understand, only interested in talking about popsicles and rainbows.

I read something I believe in the Hartford courant that after she announced her commitment to UConn, she called Geno and asked where she would be playing. Geno‘s response was something like I have no idea, it’s much to early to project anything like that. I hope someone out there does a fact check.

 

[DeeHusky]

I think it’s smart for players to know where they want to play on the court early on in high school. That way all the skills they have can be displayed and shown to college coaches so that even if you don’t get the set position you want, you’ve shown that you can do it and maybe the coach will allow you to be versatile and play there sometimes.

By the time you get to college it’s kinda too late to play on the perimeter if that’s something you haven’t shown you can do because there are plenty players that can already do that with ease. Whereas in high school, you’re probably the star and you can pretty much do what you want.

 

[bballnut90]

Interesting that you mention Reese coming in at MD. She’s made it very clear that she thinks she’s a guard. Considering that Austin appears to be leaving because she doesn’t want to play center, Brenda may have yet another battle on her hands to convince Reese to play forward.

Reese is still pretty raw from footage I've seen. Likely needs to add on a lot of muscle if she's going to compete inside. Has good handles for a 6-3 girl and attacks the basket well. Not the prettiest looking jumper or the best finisher inside. I think they'll really miss Austin next year even if Reese is better than I anticipate. I think the gap between Bueckers and the rest of the class is pretty substantial at this point.

 

[Charliebball]

Two different parts in play here, Offense and Defense.
According to her father, she wants to expand her game. That generally means on offense. IF she's effective offensively from the perimeter, that's fine, I'm all in.
If not... next.

exactly but the problem is she's unproven from the outside........she shot 509% from the floor last year which is good but she was 0-1 from three point territory so should we just assume she wants to work on her mid range game?

 

[DefenseBB]

I suspected you might fill in the blanks and I appreciate the examples you suggest. But I did list 5 criteria, so some of the examples don’t quite fit the bill.

• Reimer - started to deal with injuries at ND, particularly a chronic Achilles’ tendon issue.
• I had listed Slocum in my original post along with Austin. The other MD players you list support the general point I was making, that Brenda appears to have a unique problem with starters transferring.
• With all due respect to triadduke, the Blue Devils haven’t been a perennial top 10 team for some time.
• Moore is a good example
• KY, like Duke, is hard to consider a perennial top 10 team.
• Dawn made it clear that she did not offer Cooper the opportunity to come back to SC for a sixth year of eligibility.
• Mompremier had lost her starting spot to Brown with freshman Cox waiting in the wings. The writing was clearly on the wall.
• I agree that Nixon & Patterson were probably penciled in as starters this year. But they weren’t starters and perhaps after spending a lot of time on MM’s bench, they didn’t trust her or their own abilities to become starters at ND.

Not to quibble with you but I think all the players that @CocoHusky listed (except for the 3 ND players -Patterson and Nixon before starting and Reiner left due to what I thought was a violation of team rules-marijuana ) did fit the criteria. Now you seem to want to parse the names even more. So let’s first set the record straight that Maryland is in the Big10, not the ACC. It is curious that many good players leave the Terp program-Kiah Gillespie, Jen Staiti were also 2 more prominent names.

You seem to be hinting at something about a lack of development which may or may not be true. There are two other programs that come to my mind more frequently in Texas and former Holly Warlick coached LV.

I went to 6 Terp games this year and I know Austin was benched from starting for at least 1 game if not more before the start of conference play. The team was having some issues at that time but seemed to turn the corner after their team meeting that resulted from the NW blowout. While they had 5 losses this year, Brenda played a very good schedule (for once) and I thought she actually did a good job coaching this team. Austin could dominate games at times and whether she thinks so or not, she is a post player, not a wing. She is not Stewie and any coach who has her would do the same thing as Brenda was doing with her and what Dawn did with A’ja. Maybe if Austin could prove to Geno she really is an awesome jump shooter, he and CD would let her take 3’s but I highly doubt it (anyone remember Azura?).

Where I worry is would Austin work hard enough to fit in for the teams sake vs. “her development perspective”. Geno and CD will know that answer.

I would last add that this will be the new norm of good players transferring if they have a disagreement with a coach on their views. Albeit 1 time only pass but the transfer numbers will stay higher than they were 2,3 and 4 years ago.

Owens leaving doesn’t even have me batting an eye as I agree with @oldude that she may be overmatched for the MD program. I will find it interesting how Angel Reese may fit in...

 

[Checkmate 2.0]

Not to quibble with you but I think all the players that @CocoHusky listed (except for the 3 ND players -Patterson and Nixon before starting and Reiner left due to what I thought was a violation of team rules-marijuana ) did fit the criteria. Now you seem to want to parse the names even more. So let’s first set the record straight that Maryland is in the Big10, not the ACC. It is curious that many good players leave the Terp program-Kiah Gillespie, Jen Staiti were also 2 more prominent names.

You seem to be hinting at something about a lack of development which may or may not be true. There are two other programs that come to my mind more frequently in Texas and former Holly Warlick coached LV.

I went to 6 Terp games this year and I know Austin was benched from starting for at least 1 game if not more before the start of conference play. The team was having some issues at that time but seemed to turn the corner after their team meeting that resulted from the NW blowout. While they had 5 losses this year, Brenda played a very good schedule (for once) and I thought she actually did a good job coaching this team. Austin could dominate games at times and whether she thinks so or not, she is a post player, not a wing. She is not Stewie and any coach who has her would do the same thing as Brenda was doing with her and what Dawn did with A’ja. Maybe if Austin could prove to Geno she really is an awesome jump shooter, he and CD would let her take 3’s but I highly doubt it (anyone remember Azura?).

Where I worry is would Austin work hard enough to fit in for the teams sake vs. “her development perspective”. Geno and CD will know that answer.

I would last add that this will be the new norm of good players transferring if they have a disagreement with a coach on their views. Albeit 1 time only pass but the transfer numbers will stay higher than they were 2,3 and 4 years ago.

Owens leaving doesn’t even have me batting an eye as I agree with @oldude that she may be overmatched for the MD program. I will find it interesting how Angel Reese may fit in...

"Brenda played a very good schedule"? She scheduled one ranked team. A 9 point loss at home vs South Carolina was a moral victory. The Big 10 was weak and the ranked teams were mediocre teams who played weak schedules.

2019-20 Women's Basketball Schedule - University of Maryland Athletics

The official 2019-20 Women's Basketball schedule for the Maryland Terrapins

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[Plebe]

"Brenda played a very good schedule"? She scheduled one ranked team. The Big 10 was weak and the ranked teams were mediocre because of the weak schedules.

2019-20 Women's Basketball Schedule - University of Maryland Athletics

The official 2019-20 Women's Basketball schedule for the Maryland Terrapins

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Her SOS was ranked #5 in both RPI and Massey. Her nonconference schedule wasn't great (#84), but she did play both South Carolina and NC State.

Not sure by what criteria you're calling the Big Ten weak. They were the clear #2 conference behind the Pac-12 and clearly ahead of the ACC, SEC and Big 12.

Maryland played 18 games against the RPI top 50, more than any other team in the country. Compare that to Baylor, who played 10, or UConn, who played 8.

 

[Checkmate 2.0]

Her SOS was ranked #5 in both RPI and Massey. Her nonconference schedule wasn't great (#84), but she did play both South Carolina and NC State.

Not sure by what criteria you're calling the Big Ten weak. They were the clear #2 conference behind the Pac-12 and clearly ahead of the ACC, SEC and Big 12.

Maryland played 18 games against the RPI top 50, more than any other team in the country. Compare that to Baylor, who played 10, or UConn, who played 8.

Again she scheduled only one ranked team. NC State was part of the ACC vs BIG10 match up, Brenda did not schedule NC State. She was 1-2 against the top 15 teams. It was a weak year for all the P5 conferences. Ranking are not facts, they are based on reputation and records. Only the top 5 or 10 ranked teams really matter......look at how much the rankings change after the cupcakes are no longer played

How many top 10 teams did UConn play? Baylor? Any team higher than # 20 are nothing special.... the record against premier teams is what counts.

 

[Plebe]

Again she scheduled only one ranked team. NC State was part of the ACC vs BIG10 match up, Brenda did not schedule NC State. She was 1-2 against the top 15 teams. It was a weak year for all the P5 conferences. Ranking are not facts, they are based on reputation and records. Only the top 5 or 10 ranked teams really matter......look at how much the rankings change after the cupcakes are no longer played

How many top 10 teams did UConn play? Baylor? Any team higher than # 20 are nothing special.... the record against premier teams is what counts.

Your methodology of analysis is both flawed and inconsistent.

First of all, your arbitrary bar changes literally with every sentence: first it was "top 15 teams", then "top 5 or 10 ranked teams", then "top 10 teams", then "any team higher than #20". If you're gonna be arbitrary about which teams matter and which don't, make up your mind and stick to a story.

Secondly, you appear to be making the classic mistake of judging the opponents by "ranking" at the time of the contest. If we're looking at games against top 15 teams, Maryland was actually 5-3 against teams that finished in the RPI top 15.

You were responding to @DefenseBB 's remark that Brenda played a strong schedule this season. That's an indisputable fact, regardless of whether most of that strength of schedule was of her choosing or not.

 

[bballnut90]

Again she scheduled only one ranked team. NC State was part of the ACC vs BIG10 match up, Brenda did not schedule NC State. She was 1-2 against the top 15 teams. It was a weak year for all the P5 conferences. Ranking are not facts, they are based on reputation and records. Only the top 5 or 10 ranked teams really matter......look at how much the rankings change after the cupcakes are no longer played

How many top 10 teams did UConn play? Baylor? Any team higher than # 20 are nothing special.... the record against premier teams is what counts.

By that logic Dawn only scheduled 2 ranked teams (Maryland and UCONN) and Oregon only scheduled 2 (UCONN and Syracuse). Baylor scheduled 1. You can't just discredit conference games and preseason tournaments/conference battles.

People have been able to rip on Brenda's scheduling in past but there's no way you can make that argument this year.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

By that logic Dawn only scheduled 2 ranked teams (Maryland and UCONN) and Oregon only scheduled 2 (UCONN and Syracuse). Baylor scheduled 1. You can't just discredit conference games and preseason tournaments/conference battles.

People have been able to rip on Brenda's scheduling in past but there's no way you can make that argument this year.

A good point. Put in perspective, really, coaches do schedule individual games with knowledge of what they think their conference is bringing to the table and also what they "expect" to play when they commit to in-season tournaments. They are also at the mercy of who is willing to play them, games with players in mind (such as trips home), "road trips" that are financially sensible, etc.

I will point out 3 road trips - North Dakota opened their season visiting Arizona and Grand Canyon. Towson did a road trip to San Diego and San Diego State. And Arizona's trip to Chicago State was predicated on a second game planned in the area that fell through.

 

[HuskylnSC]

Geno is not that type of coach you are correct. There is a flip side to that equation though, Geno also challenges his players to do things that they are not comfortable with doing & always for the benefit of the team. If Austin truly wants to expand her game, there is no better coach.

I know you mean that Geno's focus is primarily on what is best for the team but his 'requests' for payers to significantly alter their playing approach/strategy also benefits the player to expand their abilities, not just the team.

Some players can get very passive aggressive going through these changes. they might buy in physically but not mentally. For example, If 6'4" believes her best game is on the wing and is asked to play the post, she may play the post but with a wing mentality. To get her to fully buy in and change her mentality is the problem.

 

[HuskylnSC]

Wow, are we dating ourselves!

i was more of a DuPont type dude. You know; "better living through chemistry"

 

[CocoHusky]

I know you mean that Geno's focus is primarily on what is best for the team but his 'requests' for payers to significantly alter their playing approach/strategy also benefits the player to expand their abilities, not just the team.

Some players can get very passive aggressive going through these changes. they might buy in physically but not mentally. For example, If 6'4" believes her best game is on the wing and is asked to play the post, she may play the post but with a wing mentality. To get her to fully buy in and change her mentality is the problem.